Dorian -three weeks out: 1993

[NarcissisticDeity]

question for ND:

how does the COLOUR change the fact that the vascularity and detail were miles ahead of anything dorian ever presented?

you are quick to discount an adjusted pic, but you fail to explain why a pic adjusted for colour changes everything displayed in the pic.

typical move for the unintelligent who does not know how to defend a position in a debate...

Oh I agree the pics were fine as is , but that doesn't change the FACT you knowlingly used photoshopped pics 

bottom line you're so desperate you've been reduced to using photoshopped pics because Dorian crushes ANYTHING Ronnie has shown

you cling to vascularity & detail as if thats how contest are solely judged on NOT how it works , you being the dummy you are don't realize contest are judged on the following


The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


and according to that Dorian is better than Ronnie in almost every single mandatory pose.

[MikeThaMachine]

The mods locked the Truce thread a few days ago. It has gone on
around 1 1/2 years if I'm correct. It needs to come down to
some kind of exciting ending other than just getting locked up.
What about starting a new thread to end the Truce thread. It
would be a poll of who was better. Give it plenty of time for people
to vote. (Say a month for example.) Maybe a sticky if someone
can arrange it with a Mod.
Something like: "The Poll to end the Truce Thread"
At the end whoever has the most votes wins. If Hulkster or ND could set this up
it would be a much cooler way of ending this than the thread eventually getting locked up.
They've done something similar at MD (where I got the idea) and it is neck and neck right now. 
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=6171

You don't think any of those things have been tried before??? Don't forget this thread started because of a former thread called "Ronnie vs. Dorian" and with it's many offspring since there is no end in sight unless either Ronnie or Dorian come on here and say the other was better.

[Hulkster]

even ronnie in relatively bad shape (2000) has a taper and proportion that kill dorian:

[Hulkster]

notice the arms that are in proportion (unlike dorian's twigs) and the pleasing quads sweep, absent in the one armed bandit.

[NarcissisticDeity]

even ronnie in relatively bad shape (2000) has a taper and proportion that kill dorian:

Yeah because thats all the look at contests lol is taper , proportion LMFAO how can he be proportinate with NO calves and NO forearms his glutes can be seen from the front he looks pregnant in transition shots his proportion sucks and the fact you think its better than Dorian shows how little you know about competitive bodybuilding and how its judged


wow taper and detail thats all you need to win contests lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

notice the arms that are in proportion (unlike dorian's twigs) and the pleasing quads sweep, absent in the one armed bandit.

lmfao you posted a pic where Dorian's bicep isn't torn lol meltdown 

Dorian crushes Ronnie in balance & proportion you can't be proportionate with injected calves and forarms that look like sticks 

[NarcissisticDeity]

notice the arms that are in proportion (unlike dorian's twigs) and the pleasing quads sweep, absent in the one armed bandit.

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .

notice she references Ronnie and his load of parts lol

[MikeThaMachine]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Flea Labrada is making Flex look about as wide as my 7 year old niece.

[NarcissisticDeity]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Flea Labrada is making Flex look about as wide as my 7 year old niece.

Flex didn't have the widest clavicles probably why he started injecting his delts to appear wider.

[England_1]

Bizzy,

Your idea is an atrocious one, and yes, it has been done here before. It proved nothing and I will tell you why. The majority of people on this forum and other BB forums (especially BB.com) are of quite young age and like Hulkster, were shitting their diapers when Yates was dominating. Can you believe Hulkster said Flex won the 1993 Mr. Olympia? Dorian's condition was a myth? This is what we are dealing with as a BB community. Coleman is  recent and that's all people really know. In the next 10-15 years when the next hot shit rolls around with better vascularity and water logged mass due to newer drugs, Coleman will be an afterthought. The people in the know (i.e. me, ND, sucky, ironage, icecold, many others here at GB) know that Yates wins against Coleman becuase he fits the official IFBB judging criteria better than Coleman. This is FACT hence the 6 Sandow trophies on his mantel. Yet, pumpster, hulkster et al want to reduce it to "politics." However, they cannot explain why a guy from Birmingham, England would get preferential treatment. My opinion is that they disagree with the IFBB judging criteria more so than anything. For example, Hulkster keeps bringing up vascularity. Go read the official judging criteria and tell me where it lists vascularity as an advantage, or something that is even judged. IF vascularity was even important Paul Dillet would have placed much higher at the Mr. Olympia. Instead, it made him look grotesque. How do you explain the fact that competitors such as Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler (I mean come on, didn't you say this was one of the top physiques ever, how could it be since he had NO vascularity?  ),  Dorian Yates  all dominated yet had relatively little vascularity compared to some other, lesser placing competitors, such as Coleman. Finally, the most dumbfounding thing about team Coleman is the fact that they knock Yates for his poorer showing years and then act like Coleman was never out of shape. How about 2000? How about 2001? How about 2002? How about 2004? Why was Ronnie Coleman booed off the stage at the 2002 Mr. Olympia? I don't expect to hear any answers to these questions from Hulkster & Co. because answering them truthfully would undermine their entire argument, the entire fantasy they have been living in this thread. Now I'll sit back and continue to watch ND own Hulkster ad nauseam.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bizzy,

Your idea is an atrocious one, and yes, it has been done here before. It proved nothing and I will tell you why. The majority of people on this forum and other BB forums (especially BB.com) are of quite young age and like Hulkster, were shitting their diapers when Yates was dominating. Can you believe Hulkster said Flex won the 1993 Mr. Olympia? Dorian's condition was a myth? This is what we are dealing with as a BB community. Coleman is  recent and that's all people really know. In the next 10-15 years when the next hot shit rolls around with better vascularity and water logged mass due to newer drugs, Coleman will be an afterthought. The people in the know (i.e. me, ND, sucky, ironage, icecold, many others here at GB) know that Yates wins against Coleman becuase he fits the official IFBB judging criteria better than Coleman. This is FACT hence the 6 Sandow trophies on his mantel. Yet, pumpster, hulkster et al want to reduce it to "politics." However, they cannot explain why a guy from Birmingham, England would get preferential treatment. My opinion is that they disagree with the IFBB judging criteria more so than anything. For example, Hulkster keeps bringing up vascularity. Go read the official judging criteria and tell me where it lists vascularity as an advantage, or something that is even judged. IF vascularity was even important Paul Dillet would have placed much higher at the Mr. Olympia. Instead, it made him look grotesque. How do you explain the fact that competitors such as Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler (I mean come on, didn't you say this was one of the top physiques ever, how could it be since he had NO vascularity?  ),  Dorian Yates  all dominated yet had relatively little vascularity compared to some other, lesser placing competitors, such as Coleman. Finally, the most dumbfounding thing about team Coleman is the fact that they knock Yates for his poorer showing years and then act like Coleman was never out of shape. How about 2000? How about 2001? How about 2002? How about 2004? Why was Ronnie Coleman booed off the stage at the 2002 Mr. Olympia? I don't expect to hear any answers to these questions from Hulkster & Co. because answering them truthfully would undermine their entire argument, the entire fantasy they have been living in this thread. Now I'll sit back and continue to watch ND own Hulkster ad nauseum.

Don't forget this gem lol Hulkster is nowing claiming Ronnie Coleman is more ' grainy ' than Dorian ever was lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol

[MikeThaMachine]

Flex didn't have the widest clavicles probably why he started injecting his delts to appear wider.

I just find it funny that so many douchebags think he was the greatest ever and the king of balance & aesthetics. He had many structural flaws along with many obvious "enhanced" body parts, wouldn't be surprised if he was a esciline junky either with his swollen looking arms and shoulders (before he put oil in them). How a guy with weak looking traps, small chest, high underdeveloped lats, fake shoulders and calves, no width and zero thickness is even mentioned among the best 10 BBer's ever is beyond me.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I just find it funny that so many douchebags think he was the greatest ever and the king of balance & aesthetics. He had many structural flaws along with many obvious "enhanced" body parts, wouldn't be surprised if he was a esciline junky either with his swollen looking arms and shoulders (before he put oil in them). How a guy with weak looking traps, small chest, high underdeveloped lats, fake shoulders and calves, no width and zero thickness is even mentioned among the best 10 BBer's ever is beyond me.

I'm a huge Flex Wheeler fan , but you're right about him not being balanced , and his pecs are small he does not have great clavicle width , however his strengths are muscle fullness , roundness , tiny joints and muscularity and shape .

but as far as balance & proportion and natural structure he's no where near a guy like Cormier

[MikeThaMachine]

I'm a huge Flex Wheeler fan , but you're right about him not being balanced , and his pecs are small he does not have great clavicle width , however his strengths are muscle fullness , roundness , tiny joints and muscularity and shape .

but as far as balance & proportion and natural structure he's no where near a guy like Cormier

Totally agree with the bold faced words. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA honestly though it wasn't until I really took the time to analyze his phyisque that I noticed those kinds of things. Flex just has "The Look", there is something about him and makes you say WOW, but it's not till you dig down into the details that his weaknesses stand out. Well that and the fact that he seemed to sell out toward the end of his career and he now works for MD.

[England_1]

Totally agree with the bold faced words. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA honestly though it wasn't until I really took the time to analyze his phyisque that I noticed those kinds of things. Flex just has "The Look", there is something about him and makes you say WOW, but it's not till you dig down into the details that his weaknesses stand out. Well that and the fact that he seemed to sell out toward the end of his career and he now works for MD.

Naw, you didn't see those weaknesses until he stood next to Yates. Coleman would be exposed next to Yates as well. Well, actually he was, 8 times 

[Hulkster]

Don't forget this gem lol Hulkster is nowing claiming Ronnie Coleman is more ' grainy ' than Dorian ever was lol

wrong. I am not 'claiming'.

I am PROVING.

note the distinction, oh unintelligent one:

[Hulkster]

as you will note, ronnie has more graininess in his ripped dry and grainy quads than dorian did in his whole soft and puffy detailess body.

lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

wrong. I am not 'claiming'.

I am PROVING.

note the distinction, oh unintelligent one:

This isn't worth of a dignified response , just ridicule !

[Hulkster]

This isn't worth of a dignified response , just ridicule !

epic avoidance of the reality of the situation to avoid being proven outright wrong..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

epic avoidance of the reality of the situation to avoid being proven outright wrong..

 

 

[Hulkster]

what good is an opinion if it is clearly and easily proven WRONG?

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

what good is an opinion if it is clearly and easily proven WRONG?

 

Sitting at home , never attending a pro contest , basing your severly lacking ignorant opinion pases soley on faulty means ( pics & video ) contradicting a guy who was feet away from Ronnie on both years in question and telling the man in question himself he's wrong Ronnie Coleman , the only thing you proved his how sad you are. 

[Hulkster]

Sitting at home , never attending a pro contest , basing your severly lacking ignorant opinion pases soley on faulty means ( pics & video ) contradicting a guy who was feet away from Ronnie on both years in question and telling the man in question himself he's wrong Ronnie Coleman , the only thing you proved his how sad you are. 

hm...never attending  a pro contest.

well guess what idiot:

there TONS of people in this industry (most of them in fact) who HAVE been to pro shows, have seen ronnie and dorian up close and personal, and SAY RONNIE WAS EASILY BETTER.

deal with it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

hm...never attending  a pro contest.

well guess what idiot:

there TONS of people in this industry (most of them in fact) who HAVE been to pro shows, have seen ronnie and dorian up close and personal, and SAY RONNIE WAS EASILY BETTER.

deal with it.

What does this have to do with you ascertaining his conditioning over eyewitnesses lol nice attempt to run from the question at hand lol YOU personally never attended both contests , you are soley basing your opinion off of pics and videos and your opinion not only leaves a lot to bed desired ( ignorance ) and it also contradicts two eyewitness accounts but one from the man in question HIMSELF you're working with nothing here kid

Now I'll comment on your claim of many people being there and thinking Ronnie would win , I don't deny this , I don't fear this its a subjective topic open for discussion , many say Yates would win etc it doesn't mean its fact

anything else you need corrected?