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THIS WAS THE BIGGEST ROBBERY AT THE NATIONALS!!!!!!!!!!
« on: November 18, 2007, 09:33:17 AM »
how does Centopani beat Atoyan, Atoyan is absolutely DESTROYING Evan, not even close IMO, i know it's not the same pose but come on.

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Re: THIS WAS THE BIGGEST ROBBERY AT THE NATIONALS!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2007, 09:34:55 AM »
I've never heard of the first guy. 

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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2007, 09:36:00 AM »
I've never heard of the first guy. 
what? that guy has been in California for years competing at the National level, you train at Gold's venice and you've never heard of this guy?

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 09:37:04 AM »
I've never heard of the first guy. 
Are you saying only the "name" guys are winning?
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2007, 09:39:31 AM »
Are you saying only the "name" guys are winning?

How can someone be so fucking good and still be relatively unknown?  It's like this, you can't always wait for someone to FIND you, sometimes you have to put your own self out there if you think you're worthy of being recognized.  Squad, have there been any threads about this guy yet on here?   

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2007, 09:39:31 AM »
Evans HUGE fucking arms doesn´t look very big in that fdb  ???

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2007, 09:41:20 AM »
How can someone be so fucking good and still be relatively unknown?  It's like this, you can't always wait for someone to FIND you, sometimes you have to put your own self out there if you think you're worthy of being recognized.  Squad, have there been any threads about this guy yet on here?   
Jeff that guy has been in the magazines forever, he's been kicking around the the Nationals heavyweight level for a long time, i'm surprised that you haven't heard of him as much as you know about bb'ing.

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2007, 09:43:15 AM »
How can someone be so fucking good and still be relatively unknown?  It's like this, you can't always wait for someone to FIND you, sometimes you have to put your own self out there if you think you're worthy of being recognized.  Squad, have there been any threads about this guy yet on here?   
I think there has been a thread or two on him. I have no clue where they would be though.
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2007, 09:43:41 AM »
more of the runner up

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2007, 09:46:05 AM »
You think anyone would have "found" Putnam?  He is by no means a freak in the classical sense.  There is nothing outstanding on him at all, but he knows how to "work" the industry.  And look how far he's gotten.  Look, being good isn't all it takes.  There are guys all over the country that are pretty damn good.  Enough of this bitching about the "unknowns" or guys without a name getting overlooked, why didn't this guy just stick some 4 week out shots up for us?  Nobody knew who Alex Azerian was before his 2.5 week out shots were put up, and he's been as much the talk of the show as Putnam and Centopani.  Squad perhaps you could champion this guy's PR campaign going into his next show, if he is completely incapable.  It's never been easier to get your name out.  Used to, you had to know somebody.  Now you can go over everyone's head and put your shit front and center, and if it stands on it's own, you're in.  It's that simple.    

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2007, 09:46:52 AM »
another

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2007, 09:47:53 AM »
thats some damn good separation and detail for a superheavy, that guy should have gotten the win over Evan.

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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2007, 09:54:12 AM »
Squad I know what you're saying, I've "heard" that name, but I've never put a face with it, that guy looks so freaking "plain," I don't know what else to say, shit give him some hair highlights, or some real crazy conditioning, or something, there is no "star quality" that this guy has right now.  He doesn't talk shit, etc.  You've gotta get noticed, man.  That guy works as the vice president of a bank and wears over the calf tube socks when he trains; probably wears high school football coach short shorts with black socks when he waters his lawn, too.  Man you gotta get hip to this shit.  I mean Centopani's no rock star, but at least he got in good with the MD gang, you've gotta get something going for you, man.       

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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2007, 09:57:38 AM »
Hey the guy is solid, though...but before they'll let him win a card he'll have to get much more conditioned, like "there" conditioned.  I don't mean to knock your preference there, Dave, I actually like him much better than Centopani there but Centopani is a bit more marketable, IMO...or at least RECOGNIZABLE, I don't know what else to say, this guy wasn't winning the Nationals overall this year when his name was on NO ONE'S lips as a front runner...you know what would be fun to do would be to help guys like this put together an "image," you know, help them establish themselves, brand themselves somehow, based on something.  You have to become a "character" in this shit.     

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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2007, 09:58:54 AM »
I agree with McFarland, this guy needs to put himself "out there" he can start by signing up on getbig. :)


Someone send him an invite!!
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2007, 10:03:41 AM »
Giving him the #2 was a huge statement on the judges' part though.  He should be in the drivers seat for a pro card at the USAs.

Evan has him on back, he has evan on front.  When in doubt, they choose the guy whose name/face will sell the most tickets and ad revenue in 2008.

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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2007, 10:08:07 AM »
I really think that's part of it, after putting alot of thought into what makes a star of these guys...ANYONE can do it, but you have to capitalize on something, you have to put together something that is cohesive, something that is "cool," like, what if this guy really was the vice president of a bank but then threw down in the YMCA where he trains, all old-school like Mentzer, and was all straight up when he talked on camera about it, I mean, if we knew all that, it would be cool, his image would come full circle, we know what he does, how he acts, his quirks, his hardcore, wherever it lies, you know.  That's all I know, I mean, I kind of resent it when these people show up from out of nowhere and expect to win, this shit is a business, it's all a gimmick, people need to understand that, every bodybuilding star you ever knew had their images all sorted out, we knew who they were, what they were about, who they were married to, where they trained, what they did for a living, if they had a profession, they had some sort of something we could latch onto, something you can identify with, at least if not through similarities, at least your differences with the guy.  I mean you don't have to go as far as the WBF did in marketing their guys, but if you look at late 80's bodybuilders, they'd all become "characters."  

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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2007, 10:10:49 AM »
Grigori Attoyan was a heavy weight for years.  He really messed up when Capries Murray beat him a few years ago and he stormed off stage.  That hurt him.  He just recently moved to the Supers.  He looked awesome but we aren't seeing the two of them next to each other.  That can make a difference.  You also can't go by pics alone. Everyone wants to judge a show by pics and you just can't. 

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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2007, 10:12:48 AM »
Rob you could help guys do this stuff. Pick guys you think have potential and get in touch with them, see what they're about and try to come up with a way to help them establish whatever image you think they can take and run with.  Nothing necessarily cheesy, or off-base, I mean, keep it real, but help them put it all together.  Being the best bodybuilder isn't enough these days, it never was.  

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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2007, 10:13:11 AM »
Are you saying only the "name" guys are winning?

Yes, I've been saying that all along and not for just this show.

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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2007, 10:15:36 AM »
Giving him the #2 was a huge statement on the judges' part though.  He should be in the drivers seat for a pro card at the USAs.

Evan has him on back, he has evan on front.  When in doubt, they choose the guy whose name/face will sell the most tickets and ad revenue in 2008.

So you're saying he needs to "pay his dues" before they give him a title instead of just judging him on his physique?

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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2007, 10:16:19 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2007, 10:16:54 AM »
So you're saying he needs to "pay his dues" before they give him a title instead of just judging him on his physique?

Joe, is there anyone that you think may beat you at the Excalibur that has a bigger "name" than yourself? 

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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2007, 10:22:54 AM »
Joe, is there anyone that you think may beat you at the Excalibur that has a bigger "name" than yourself? 

Jeff, I have NO name and I don't know who might show up, I will do well in the Masters maybe even win, but in the open I have no idea how I will do, I might just get blown off the stage. But if by a long shot, it comes down to me and someone who shows up that the media is trying to pump up and I'm better.........you can bet the person with the bigger name will win.

But like I told you last weekend at lunch, win, lose or draw, this is my last show.

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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2007, 10:27:41 AM »
Jeff, I have NO name and I don't know who might show up, I will do well in the Masters maybe even win, but in the open I have no idea how I will do, I might just get blown off the stage. But if by a long shot, it comes down to me and someone who shows up that the media is trying to pump up and I'm better.........you can bet the person with the bigger name will win.

But like I told you last weekend at lunch, win, lose or draw, this is my last show.

I don't know why you're so sensitive to the issue, there isn't gonna be anyone with more attention on him than you at the Excalibur.  If anyone beats you, it will not be because of their "name."  You've been around the sport your whole life, you know all the old timers in the game locally, you trained with Bill Pearl, you won shows in the 70's, everyone knows your Mr. Intenseone handle on here, now your Coach handle, you have a feud going with Milos which he publicly acknowledges and plays into, trust me, if you lose, it will not be on lack of name recognition.  If you bring it, you will be justly rewarded, IMO.