whats the safest thing i can take for great fat loss? please reply...

[scottallen]

just trying to educate myself on this so i can use REAL help. not just thoughts

[Arnold jr]

Clen

[trab]

Cardio in the morning on a empty gut with HGH 2iu and 12-25mcg of cytomel with it 2-3x ew.
ASk a Dr as far as safe goes, but the above works awesome.

[on one]

trab does it burn more fat if your running on an empty gut or something , i mean it would make sense cause you havent put any calories in your body yet...when you do that do you feel like it takes away endurance

[Arnold jr]

Cardio in the morning on a empty gut with HGH 2iu and 12-25mcg of cytomel with it 2-3x ew.
ASk a Dr as far as safe goes, but the above works awesome.

Maybe this is what you meant, but not sure. Cardio first, then GH after cardio, then food.

[wes mantooth]

Clen

bump arnold with clen...for safety

easy, less rebound, cheap....clen

[Luv2Hurt]

just trying to educate myself on this so i can use REAL help. not just thoughts

The safest thing.....less food more work.  The answer to everything does not come in a bottle or vial.  People are always looking for some easy way to get there.  Those people never amount to much.

After you have trained and ate like a BB for 2-3 years hardcore, lived the lifestyle and would be proud to post pics here THEN at that point you should maybe if you want consider the drugs.

[scottallen]

The safest thing.....less food more work.  The answer to everything does not come in a bottle or vial.  People are always looking for some easy way to get there.  Those people never amount to much.

After you have trained and ate like a BB for 2-3 years hardcore, lived the lifestyle and would be proud to post pics here THEN at that point you should maybe if you want consider the drugs.

well thats why im asking.......CARE TO ANSWER NOW...  i mean geez ask me .  ive been training a VERY long time. answer or just go away i dont to be harrassed.

[ATOMIC]

well thats why im asking.......CARE TO ANSWER NOW...  i mean geez ask me .  ive been training a VERY long time. answer or just go away i dont to be harrassed.

this is something you should have used the search bar for first and foremost. 

[trab]

Maybe this is what you meant, but not sure. Cardio first, then GH after cardio, then food.

AJ:I see immediate results doing the GH & cytomel 1st. Couple days of that at my low starting BF% and its allready VERY visable. Vascularity and the appearance of even thinner skin. Try it, it works good.
You'll sweat like a lather. Feel fine.

Scott: No I notice no real loss of endurance like that with cycling or moderate walkin. I feel good. I dont like intense cardio. I  think > about 160 bpm heart rate for long is not necessary, or even good for keeping muscle.

Luv is right. Without the work none of the drugs do all that much. But they sure make a differance if you work hard, and allow even greater work. Too many young guys think drugs first. They cant even lift worth a crap.

[Luv2Hurt]

Luv is right. Without the work none of the drugs do all that much. But they sure make a differance if you work hard, and allow even greater work. Too many young guys think drugs first. They cant even lift worth a crap.

Yeah bro thats the point I was trying to make and it was not even just about this guy.  Its one of my pet peves, people hear about drugs and think that is the answer to their problems.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

HD Thoreau

[trab]

Yeah bro thats the point I was trying to make and it was not even just about this guy.  Its one of my pet peves, people hear about drugs and think that is the answer to their problems.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

HD Thoreau

I just get a mental picture of the 20yr olds in the gym doing the chest bounce bench press, assisted by a spotting partner rowing about 25% of the load.
The  plates would spill off the ends of the bar if not capped...
Thats the warm up set... Then they add plate for their "working sets"    Today many of these guys are using steroid or think using is the answer.

You see it regullarly Im sure.  Why take steroids then? lots of them dont even have a start.

SAme thing re: Body Fat and diet.
I get such a kick out of all the gimick TV abdominal and cardio equipment for sale.
As if buying it will make them use it? Shit, if they were gona use it they could just regularly go for a walk outside.

THen What's extra funny is the medcial/ Pharma establishment complete denial and refusal to accept the things that actually do work (clen, HGH cytomel) in favor of one after another new expensive, dangerous and innefective "Fat Loss" pill.

[atr911]

I dunnno trab.  I love my bottles and vials as much as the next guy but I think that when it comes to most instances, banned substances are usually not the safest way to go.  Clen, for example, has been show to harden the arteries and muscles surrounding the heart. 

I know the typical response is that 'toothpaste has been shown to cause cancer'  but why take the risk when there are plenty of alternatives that aren't anywhere nearly as harsh. 

Let's start with:  What are your stats, history and goals?

Only a few ways to go here IMO:

1- You're over 15% BF.  This tells me your diet isn't inline.  Get it inline and come back when you're under 15% consistently for about 3 months and can't seem to get any lower.

2- You're between 11-14%.  Your diet and training is probably decent.  If you're at the  upper end of these numbers either add some more cardio OR reduce carbs 50g per day each week for 4 weeks.  By progressively removing carbs from your diet you won't be shocking your system and you'll eventually shave 800 cals from your daily caloric intake.  Depending your your BMI and BMR, don't starve yourself.  You should be able to maintain 10-12% BF with a healthy diet without feeling depleted.

3- You've Sub 10% BF.  You're either ethiopian or know how to diet.  Why do you need to get lower?  At 10% there should be a good outline of abs unflexed and flexed you should start looking rather ripped.  If you're getting contest ready you might want to rephrase your question to reflect that.  If you just want to drop down a little lower (say 8%) for your vacation to mexico then that needs to be communicated aswell.  Either way, this is where drugs can be a great help to modify either your appetite and/or metabolism.  ECA 2 weeks Clen 2 Weeks is very popular (do a search) or just start replacing carbs with protein in your diet.  They have the same caloric value, will fill you up the same but 30% of the calories from your protein will go right back into digesting that protein.

Everybody is different but going sub 10% for longer than about 6 weeks can be a real struggle.  You'll most likely start to loose muscle mass any lower then 8% and most of us will feel rather depleted (read: shitty).

Think I overkilled this one.... hope the answer is in there somewhere.

[atr911]

Just to add:

The more muscle mass you have proportional to body size the easier it is to carry lower BF %'s.  a 5'10" male who weights 250 lean doesn't need any more inter organ fat than a guy who is 190 lean at the same height.  Over and above this, the 250lb male has a MUCH higher caloric intake requirement (BMR) and can probably 'cut' on a 4000 cal/day diet.  He's hardly starving.

[jetcity]

drink couple of gallons of water per day to speed things up?

[4thAD]

The absolute safest way to go is the good old ECA stack. This with good diet and cardio will get rid of lots of stubborn fat on your body. Ephedrine is still legal and easy to come by.

[candidizzle]

the safest healthieast easiest way to lose weight is to eat a fucking shitload of broccoli..

[flexingtonsteele]

take dave palumbos lypolyze, its sold on species nutrition.com

[4thAD]

the safest healthieast easiest way to lose weight is to eat a fucking shitload of broccoli..

I dont think he's looking to shit himself to death! LMAO  this would work and be fairly safe I suppose, but would not be very comfortable.

[Knowledge]

I noticed noone ever takes energy systems and their fuel into account when talking about cardio.  For instance, optimal fat burning is low-moderate intensity.  Just enough to get your HR up to around 55-65% of your max HR which is when you're burning fat.  However, anything above 65-70% your entering into burning carbohydrates and little of any fat for fuel.
For the mathematically impaired--- Theoretical Max HR = 220 - age  Muliply answer by 0.65 or whatever percentage you are trying to reach in order to find your "zone".  I am sure a lot of you know most of this but it can never hurt.

[4thAD]

I noticed noone ever takes energy systems and their fuel into account when talking about cardio.  For instance, optimal fat burning is low-moderate intensity.  Just enough to get your HR up to around 55-65% of your max HR which is when you're burning fat.  However, anything above 65-70% your entering into burning carbohydrates and little of any fat for fuel.
For the mathematically impaired--- Theoretical Max HR = 220 - age  Muliply answer by 0.65 or whatever percentage you are trying to reach in order to find your "zone".  I am sure a lot of you know most of this but it can never hurt.

Im more of a believer in the max-ot style of cardio. Cardio on non training days only, High intensity, for 16 minutes, upping the intensity every time you do cardio. This aproach works very well for me and a lot of others I know.

[Arnold jr]

I noticed noone ever takes energy systems and their fuel into account when talking about cardio.  For instance, optimal fat burning is low-moderate intensity.  Just enough to get your HR up to around 55-65% of your max HR which is when you're burning fat.  However, anything above 65-70% your entering into burning carbohydrates and little of any fat for fuel.
For the mathematically impaired--- Theoretical Max HR = 220 - age  Muliply answer by 0.65 or whatever percentage you are trying to reach in order to find your "zone".  I am sure a lot of you know most of this but it can never hurt.

I agree completely!

I think a lot of people shy away from this style of cardio though, simply because you end up having to do a lot more of it to be able to burn adequate amounts of fat. But even so, come on, it may be longer duration cardio, but it's not like staying in the 55% range is that hard of a task.

Plus, and this is the biggest thing, when you do cardio like this, you will not burn any muscle while doing cardio. Hey, you keep the muscle...isn't this a huge part of the overall goal when dieting?

[davinci]

hey arnold what about someoen like me? i have GREAT cardio that comes from endurance training, so just reaching my 65% heart rate and a moderate pace on the treadmill takes forever! usually 35 to 40 mins at a fast walk of 4mph.

but i tried some other styles of cardio like joggin for a minute then an all out run for 2 mins, then back to joggin etc etc (hit style cardio) really gets me sweating and heart pumping fast! with in first 5 mins and all way through my 45 mins workout. am i hurting my muscle by doing this also?

[trab]

Well, is the Bathroom scale needle going up?

[Rimbaud]

Well, is the Bathroom scale needle going up?

Excellent point.