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NEW BUCHANAN BOOK DECLARES 'END OF AMERICA'
« on: November 26, 2007, 07:11:32 AM »
America is coming apart, decomposing, and...the likelihood of her survival as one nation...is improbable -- and impossible if America continues on her current course," declares Pat Buchanan. "For we are on a path to national suicide."


http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9pb.htm


I don't agree with all of it but I agree with some. Look at his solutions to some of the problems. I think we can win in Iraq and pull out with selective strikes against AQ targets as a continuation of the Bush doctrine. I think we need a fence and we need to relook alliances with an eye toward pulling cash back from just about everybody.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 07:41:41 AM »
America is coming apart, decomposing, and...the likelihood of her survival as one nation...is improbable -- and impossible if America continues on her current course," declares Pat Buchanan. "For we are on a path to national suicide."


http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9pb.htm


I don't agree with all of it but I agree with some. Look at his solutions to some of the problems. I think we can win in Iraq and pull out with selective strikes against AQ targets as a continuation of the Bush doctrine. I think we need a fence and we need to relook alliances with an eye toward pulling cash back from just about everybody.

Define: We can win in Iraq...
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 07:46:04 AM »
  Buchanan is probably my favorite political commentator, and it's looking more and more as if he may be right.

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 08:03:06 AM »
Win... a stable government that can stand on its own two feet. It can police itself and develop infrastructure and more importantly won't allow a haven for Iran or AQ. Democracy is window dressing for the masses. Its an idea that is ridiculous in that part of the world. Also it will all us to exploit oil resources. Win..not a win for the world..not a win for human rights or democracy...a win for the United States and her allies. If those other things fall into line..great but it won't all be pretty.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 08:03:20 AM »
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The U.S. Army is breaking and is too small to meet America’s global commitments.

The dollar has sunk to historic lows and is being abandoned by foreign governments.

U.S. manufacturing is being hollowed out.

The greatest invasion in history, from the Third World, is swamping the ethno-cultural core of the country, leading to Balkanization and the loss of the Southwest to Mexico.

I agree 100 %

20 years from now, we wont even recognise the USA

truly sad  :(


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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2007, 08:08:08 AM »
Historically these things have all happened before...and the Buchanan's have said the same things and been wrong...this time we don't have the moral fiber and toughness that we did back then to survive it. I think thats the difference. The melting point ain't melting ???
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2007, 08:13:15 AM »
Win... aC. It can police itself and develop infrastructure and more importantly won't allow a haven for Iran or AQ. Democracy is window dressing for the masses. Its an idea that is ridiculous in that part of the world. Also it will all us to exploit oil resources. Win..not a win for the world..not a win for human rights or democracy...a win for the United States and her allies. If those other things fall into line..great but it won't all be pretty.

Not a number in there.  That's the problem.

You, and the white house, seem to love these vague descriptions of victory that anyone can subjectively say pass or fail.

"a stable govt that can police themselves" - Is that 0,  or 10, or 1000 attacks per year to be considered 'stable'?

We have the oil now by the hydro law - 80% of it.  Yes, that is a good win.

But the rest of it is so vague that it can never be achieved or evaluated objectively.  He could declare a win tomorrow, or in a year, and the place will still be very close to the same place. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2007, 08:27:10 AM »
Well we could kill everybody and start over. I don't really care what happens to the average Iraqi...I want a stable Iraq because it allows commerce..a base to deal with other issues in the middle east...no home for AQ..no hegemony by Iran. The White House spews democracy..that ship sailed or sank along time ago. Don't ever lump me in with the White House. i had no opinion on invading Iraq....its not my job. We're there we need to to do what we can to allow us to pull out.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2007, 08:29:49 AM »
. The White House spews democracy..that ship sailed or sank along time ago.

Props for that honesty.

I get so sick of the people here who still say "we're trying to bring democracy - that is our goal - not oil, not bases".

THe funny thing is that they have gotten kinda quiet lately.

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2007, 08:38:00 AM »
It was never our goal..we have never been about that. its always been the white wash but look what we have done since the end of the 2nd WW. Prop up one dictator after another. It was in our best interest. We needed some of these guys. This invasion was different. They really pushed the democracy thing. Honestly if u believe big business controls Washington, then I don't think they want a bunch of democracies all over the place. dealing with governments that are accountable to the people of a given country makes expoiting a country very hard. If u have a dictator that plays ball...its very very easy.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2007, 08:41:24 AM »
It was never our goal..we have never been about that. its always been the white wash but look what we have done since the end of the 2nd WW. Prop up one dictator after another. It was in our best interest. We needed some of these guys. This invasion was different. They really pushed the democracy thing. Honestly if u believe big business controls Washington, then I don't think they want a bunch of democracies all over the place. dealing with governments that are accountable to the people of a given country makes expoiting a country very hard. If u have a dictator that plays ball...its very very easy.

i agree with all of that.  I could care less how many countries we topple, whatever, if it means we have better deals and positions.

I am just annoyed by people who stand on their perch and rant on and on about how 4000 soldier deaths are worth some iraqi being able to vote. 

they went on and on for years here, as most of us said it was about bases and oil.  Now that we see the hydro contract (80% of oil goes to US firms) and now that we see all the bases popping up... well, why are they all so quiet?

Will be interesting to see how history judges/remembers this period.

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2007, 12:26:05 PM »
Yes it will....I could care less if they vote..whatever keeps the peace.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2007, 05:52:14 PM »
i agree with all of that.  I could care less how many countries we topple, whatever, if it means we have better deals and positions.

I am just annoyed by people who stand on their perch and rant on and on about how 4000 soldier deaths are worth some iraqi being able to vote. 

they went on and on for years here, as most of us said it was about bases and oil.  Now that we see the hydro contract (80% of oil goes to US firms) and now that we see all the bases popping up... well, why are they all so quiet?

Will be interesting to see how history judges/remembers this period.

I just lost a lot of respect for you.... :-\
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2007, 12:11:54 AM »
i agree with all of that.  I could care less how many countries we topple, whatever, if it means we have better deals and positions.

I am just annoyed by people who stand on their perch and rant on and on about how 4000 soldier deaths are worth some iraqi being able to vote. 

they went on and on for years here, as most of us said it was about bases and oil.  Now that we see the hydro contract (80% of oil goes to US firms) and now that we see all the bases popping up... well, why are they all so quiet?

Will be interesting to see how history judges/remembers this period.

I you've got no principles when dealing with people from other countries how can you complain when criminals behave poorly in your own country. If you only give a f*ck about people living in the US then how can you cry foul when terrorists who don't give a f*ck about the US blow up airplanes and such - they're just responding in kind.

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2007, 03:43:02 AM »
your CLEARLY an asshole for that statement.

may you rot in hell. douchebag !  >:(






Thank Zeus, Ron Paul doesn't think this way. Sure as an American he cares first and foremost for Americans but he absolutely would never use naked force against innocents of other countries unless absolutely necessary...

I guess people like headhunter are the people in the military...shocking...
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2007, 06:59:39 AM »
HH is very honest thought.

He admits Iraq is about oil and bases, not democracy.

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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2007, 07:06:31 AM »
HH is very honest thought.

He admits Iraq is about oil and bases, not democracy.

Fantastic and when he starts to oppose it I will praise him...
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2007, 07:42:48 AM »
Hey neuro..didn 't u wish for more GI's in body bags. So I'd say..die in a fire please and be well within my rights. 240 or somebody mentioned peace or something and I said that unless ur planning to kill everybody ur not gonna get 100% peace. i didn't say lets kill everybody. As for not carring about Iraqi's. I'm an American soldier..have been for 15 years. i'm not some bleeding heart liberal. I get paid to break things. These people are next to useless and many of them have killed or tried to kill my friends. I have never shot at or killed any civilian nor allowed anybody under my charge to do so or think about doing so. I've never even broken anything during searches....treated civilains badly or were acted like a dick. I didn't allow my soldiers to do so either. However had they pulled a gun, shot at my guys or killed any of them..i would have operated under the ROE and killed them all without blinking. Its a job..i did my job, like thousands of other guys, and came home. I've gone to orphanges, delivered food, help conduct talks about digging wells and planting crops, all with a big smile on my face. Not cause I love these people, but because it was my job. i've done more for the average Iraqi and Afghani then u have, and they thanked me profusely, but it doesn't mean i like these people in any way shape or form. Doing my job keeps my guys safe and gets them home to their families. That was always my number one concern. Most of the time it pays to be nice to these people..when it doesn't u do ur job, and hopefully ur guys end up ok.
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2007, 10:09:48 AM »
I've read several of Buchanan's books.  He is very well versed in his history, although he can be a bit of an alarmist and a little xenophobic.  Those two are the single biggest criticisms against him.  He makes great points nonetheless.

The United States is going to go one of two ways in it's future.  On the one hand, the North American Union becomes a reality and the currency goes from the fiat dollar to a silver and oil backed Amero.  Oil is flowing, the economy has rebounded, and people are generally peaceful with one another.  However, a NAU is not a solution to the problems that exist, but only a basic appeasement and pandering to it's citizenry and a delay to the inevitable.  This NAU dream is encouraged and has been concocted by globalists and their supporters.  It is a direct challenge and partially designed to kill nation soveriegnity and nationalism, two massive roadblocks that directly oppose any kind of globalist agenda, corporate or multi-national.

Now, the other way.  I've long held that such differing people cannot live peacefully together without either an economic glue or a brutal dictatorship holding them all together.  We see it in Iraq, where Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, and other groups, foreign and otherwise, are at each other's throats in unconstrained fury.  These groups are just fundamentally different from one another and would rather act autonomously from each other.  Saddam forcefully held them together via a brutal dictatorship where he held military power.  The US military found itself in the middle of all of the infighting, and under basic moralities, human deceny, and sensitivity to world opinion, will absolutely not do what Saddam did to control the populations.  In addition, the US would probably have to be even MORE brutal to ensure complete control as we are truly foreigners, instead of being the head of a differing minority group.

Anyway.  The US busts along ethnic, cultural, and geographical lines.  The diversity and multiculturalism that is taught in our schools and broadcasted over our televisions(dumbboxes) is vastly different than what is practiced in the real world.  Only do the majority populations(for now) in the US, Canada, Europe, and Australia swallow this ideal hook, line, and sinker.  The idea that "we are all the same" is not embraced by the minority populations in those nations, nor is it embraced in the Middle East or Southeast Asia.  Those populations, growing ever more numerous, are quickly being empowered without ever assimilating into the host nation....except assimilating into what they choose, such as the credit markets, Free Speech rights, Assembly, and social programs.  In essence, the US will be taken apart, with each differing ethnic and cultural group taking a piece for themselves.  When the shit hits the fan, we will not stand together under the Stars and Stripes, but will stand together with those who think, live, and act like ourselves. 

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2007, 12:14:18 PM »
Which is completely different then it used to be, which is why we're in alot of trouble. Good post.
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