Dorian getting pummeled at the 1996 Mr. Olympia.. No arms..

[pumpster]

The mystery of the vanishing biceps.. 

Biceps were surgically removed and attached to obliques.

[Big_Tymer]

damn dorian has some gunter-like obliques there.  i like gunter, but his obliques kill his physique.  probably should try to get them surgically trimmed or something.

[NarcissisticDeity]

damn dorian has some gunter-like obliques there.  i like gunter, but his obliques kill his physique.  probably should try to get them surgically trimmed or something.

same contest where is the obliques now?

[Camel Jockey]

same contest where is the obliques now?

Why is his left bicep so short? hahaha What a glaring flaw..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Why is his left bicep so short? hahaha What a glaring flaw..

because its torn , so his the quad and the tricep and all that and he still managed to beat Huge Nasser lol

[Camel Jockey]

because its torn , so his the quad and the tricep and all that and he still managed to beat Huge Nasser lol

Thank you for making my point. He shouldn't have won with a torn bicep, as it's a pretty glaring flaw not only in the shot you posted above, but in his front double biceps shots.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Thank you for making my point. He shouldn't have won with a torn bicep, as it's a pretty glaring flaw not only in the shot you posted above, but in his front double biceps shots.

And Nasser should have won with an entire back? poor logic

[Camel Jockey]

And Nasser should have won with an entire back? poor logic

You act as though he had no back, but he did, perhaps not as good as Dorian's. But there's more to back poses then just the back alone. Arms and delts both matter, and Nasser smoked Dorian on those. On claves, they were equals. From the front, it wasn't even funny, as Nasser won by leaps and bounds.

Nasser would beat Dorian in most of the mandatory poses. He was the clear winner.

[pumpster]

Yates' advantage from the back is minimal if it existed at all.

First shot Nasser owns Yates-bigger AND more cut (not synthol with those cuts) and very good arms vs. non-existent bis and average tri size on Yates.

Second shot just on lats he's not far off, not as cut but otherwise comparable. Used a little too much oil.

[knny187]

Yates' advantage from the back is minimal if it existed at all.

First shot Nasser owns Yates-bigger AND more cut (not synthol with those cuts) and very good arms vs. non-existent bis and average tri size on Yates.

Second shot just on lats he's not far off, not as cut but otherwise comparable. Used a little too much oil.

Nass's lower back is in no comparison to Dorians

[suckmymuscle]

  The only two things remarkable about the 1996 Olympia is that Dorian was still the driest man onstage even though he was the only one not on furosemide, and that his back was still bigger than Nasser even though the latter ouweighted him by 30 lbs.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

for being dry in 96, dorian was sure smooth:

no doubt shawn ray owned him in the conditioning department...

[pumpster]

Nass's lower back is in no comparison to Dorians

If that's the main difference you're reinforcing my point. Yates also arguably had better ass cheeks.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yates' advantage from the back is minimal if it existed at all.

First shot Nasser owns Yates-bigger AND more cut (not synthol with those cuts) and very good arms vs. non-existent bis and average tri size on Yates.

Second shot just on lats he's not far off, not as cut but otherwise comparable. Used a little too much oil.

If you knew anything about competitive bodybuilding and how its judged you'd know Dorian's advantage from the back is very far from ' minimal ' and your insanely moronic stated if it existed at all is right in line with your ignorance and bias I will now explain to you the clear advantage he has from the back

lets start with overall conditioning , Dorian is the driest man onstage and he's the densest. Nasser is clearly holding water hence why his back , his glutes and his hams are all smooth and soft and what a piss poor excuse he used to much oil LMFAO no let me correct you he's holding to much water despite the fact he used diuretics

Now starting with the back Dorian shows much better separation of the trapezius , teres major , infraspinatus , latissimus dorsi and erector spinae Nasser is NOT comparable to Dorian in back detail and separation couple that with the fact Nasser is holding water & sq fat its no contest

Arms Dorian arms are not as big as Nassers , 1996 Dorian's arms were down in size much like Ronnie in 2002 , however Dorian shows just has good separation of the triceps ( albeit smaller ) Nasser does show more visible biceps in this pose but that doesn't make up for the fact his conditioning sucks same with deltoids Nasser's are larger & more round , Dorian's are smaller and more dense it all has to do with conditioning

Dorian's glutes are striated and his glute/ham tie in is better , Nassers are smooth , same with hamstrings , calves are a push

Now pay attention overall on how contests are judged Dorian is blowing Nasser ( and Shawn ) off the stage , Nasser is bigger but is his mass conditioned? NO Dorian is 257 pounds bone dry & rock hard Nasser is 275 pounds soft & holding water and lacks any detail & separation of an entire muscle group you think any advantage in biceps can compensate for that? and poor conditioning? wait don't answer that you are that stupid.

You're to stupid and biased to realize the obvious Dorian is blowing Nasser and Shawn out of the water in  those ' comparisons ' 

[TrueGrit]

Late to the party but my thoughts:

It's very, very close but, for me, Dorian wins because of a better back and better conditioning. You have to bring something a little bit extra to beat the O. Very close though and from some shots Nasser has it and from others, Dorian does.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You act as though he had no back, but he did, perhaps not as good as Dorian's. But there's more to back poses then just the back alone. Arms and delts both matter, and Nasser smoked Dorian on those. On claves, they were equals. From the front, it wasn't even funny, as Nasser won by leaps and bounds.

Nasser would beat Dorian in most of the mandatory poses. He was the clear winner.

You're trying to compare Nasser's back to arguably the best back in the history of competitive bodybuilding , for all intents & purposes he has no back . and you're right there are more to back poses than just the back , however its a major muscle group any advantage Nasser has in biceps can't compensate for that oh and couple that with the fact that Dorian is bone dry & rock hard and Nasser is soft & holding water any technical advantages Nasser may have are easily crushed its the exact same reason why despite not having a back double biceps shot as good as Ronnie Coleman and despite not having have as good as symmetry Jay Cutler beat Ronnie at the 2001 Mr Olympia in the prejudging , because he was just as big and his conditioning was better .

And Nasser can beat Dorian from the front in the front double biceps and maybe the ab-thigh , front latspread goes to Yates , but he loses from the side and from the back , again any structual advantage Nasser may enjoy become moot when he's lacking in the conditioning department .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Late to the party but my thoughts:

It's very, very close but, for me, Dorian wins because of a better back and better conditioning. You have to bring something a little bit extra to beat the O. Very close though and from some shots Nasser has it and from others, Dorian does.

Thank you , someone who gets it !

[sculpture]

because its torn , so his the quad and the tricep and all that and he still managed to beat Huge Nasser lol

And yet the judges gave him the win? How can a man with three, THREE!!! torn muscle groups be the best built man on the planet. Did he win the symmetry round that year?

[NarcissisticDeity]

And yet the judges gave him the win? How can a man with three, THREE!!! torn muscle groups be the best built man on the planet. Did he win the symmetry round that year?

I agree in 1997 he shouldn't have won and yes he won the symmetry round.

[Cap]

You act as though he had no back, but he did, perhaps not as good as Dorian's. But there's more to back poses then just the back alone. Arms and delts both matter, and Nasser smoked Dorian on those. On claves, they were equals. From the front, it wasn't even funny, as Nasser won by leaps and bounds.

Nasser would beat Dorian in most of the mandatory poses. He was the clear winner.

The best back has always won the O.  Haney had shit arms and he beat guys with better limbs.  Nasser is full of oil in some places,which make him water logged and then dry as hell in others.  The synthol use in his lats and delts is very evident by his later contest condition and surgeries.  If synthol filled large arms are the standard then Haney should have 0 Olympias with his toothpicks and Wheeler should have a few.

[IceCold]

Nope. Ronnie was nothing special with his ugly, horrible abs, gyno'd chest, small forearms, and short torso. To have a great upper body you have to be great in ALL poses showing the upper body. Coleman's upper body is nothing special in the ab/thigh, side triceps, and front double biceps. Dorian was better than Ronnie in more poses. Ronnie was best in the MM and that's about it. Sorry 

exactly.

the fact that ronnie lost in an embarrassing fashion after his injuries, should tell you something.

yates still went on to win after his injuries.

the point is that once ronnie's arms and back went, he lost.

badly.

whereas yates also showed up in shape despite his injuries, where ronnie only got by on his back for every year past 99.

[pumpster]

Thank you , someone who gets it !

Someone who gets it LOL he's basically saying that it was a tossup, Yates winning because he was the current champion you idiot LOL

[pumpster]

I agree in 1997 he shouldn't have won and yes he won the symmetry round.

This is the same clown who goes on and on about the importance of "judging criteria" as if that matters when there are clear travesties like 97 LOL talking out of both sides of his ass again.

[pumpster]

yates still went on to win after his injuries.

the point is that once ronnie's arms and back went, he lost.

whereas yates also showed up in shape despite his injuries, where ronnie only got by on his back for every year past 99.

Another clown who is basically implying that the IFBB's outcomes are completely unbiased,  with Yates "soldiering on" where Coleman couldn't bwhahahaahahaha talk about delusional.

[IceCold]

Another clown who is basically implying that the IFBB's outcomes are completely unbiased,  with Yates "soldiering on" where Coleman couldn't bwhahahaahahaha talk about delusional.

this coming from somone who has had numerous threads about them created for the sole purpose of bashing.

everyone here knows your story.

the training mod who refuses to go into a gym and plays around with his bowflex in the ghetto.

talk about delusional......