GH15 - Questions and Answers

[Krankenstein]

Yes, some of us are expressing are dissent. Whether or not we prevail the important thing, at least for me, is that we do speak up and let be known that this is not how we like to be represented. Nobody, no leader, no boss, no king, no potentate has unlimited power. They can push their followers only too far. I don't consider this rising to occasion of mutiny but by letting others know how we feel we let it be known that we consider very seriously how we are represented.

Now I notice you put in a rolling eyes smiley. What is that so suppose to mean? You don't believe me? That I'm only speaking out here and not on the gh15 board? Our maybe you are like chaos and think everything is a joke. Everything is to mock, ridicule, talk shit about, laugh about.... life is just one big whoopy cushion? I can understand that. It is comforting to be in a perpetual state of arrested development. Like Melloncamp once said, "Hold on to sixteen as long as you can." It's not easy being an adult. But for some of us the whoopy cushion gets old. That's why guys like me, Wes and even JNN don't come around here much anymore. I haven't and never have left this board. I never made my good bye announcement like so many others, like Dustin did. I just found myself going somewhere else and liking it better. To be able to make a post and not have to endure the incessant mocking, ridicule, the gay jokes. The constant ever present homosexual imagery that so permeates this board. Sometimes you just want to have a normal discussion.  

I guess I'm just too serious. To want to have a normal discussion. Just too serious for some.

Yeah, I did put that rolling eyes.  Want to know why?  Because I don't believe it.  Its what I choose.  I don't care if you only talk about it here, and not on your 'promised land' of a board.  In a way, I do think its a joke.  I have said it time and time again.  I think this whole "lord" thing you and many others have adopted towards an internet figure is now borderline sad.  I can understand religion and who you choose to put your faith in with that regard, but the following of someone (or some people as perhaps the case may be) based SOLELY on the use of drugs (and let me be clear that I am not anti drug) is simply ludicrous.  I am far from any complete state of maturity here.  There are many times I have looked back and said "you should have acted a little more mature" both on here and IRL.  The same goes for you sir.  I look at what you say on here and there are times you exhibit the maturity of someone your age, and there are others where you simply act like some 16yo punk.  Oh, and I am one of those guys that wouldn't have a problem saying anything to someone to their face.  Not a threat or me chest puffing, I just don't care if you agree or disagree with me.  I don't force my opinions or beliefs on anyone.  I understand you get a certain satisfaction and sense of purpose with this whole "GH15" crap.  Good for you.  Better than being a supporter of NAMBLA (yes, that was humor thrown in with a dash of serious).

I have known Wes since Muscle Mayhem.  I don't give a rats fuck what board he is on.  I have never met the guy.  We have exchanged a few PM's both on here and back on MM.  Thats all.  What I know about him is only what I have learned on here.  The man has my respect for overcoming what he has.  Beyond that, my world did not change one iota because he is not here.  I do agree that the mocking and the sexuality questioning gets old.  I have partaken in it, and I know I need to reel myself back.  We do have normal discussions.  The problem here is that there will always be people who want to degrade the conversation down to a name calling fest.  I have never got into a political or religious debate because of that.  Everyone wants to be RIGHT, no one wants to be wrong.  Plain and simple.  Its so evident with this who 'kig scam' back and forth.  Holy fuck, a scam happened...thats it.  Guess what?  You (in general) bought drugs from someone online.  You got scammed.  You lost money.  Yes, you can be pissed.  No, you can't sit there and blame anyone but yourself.  If I even gambled, would I get pissed at the online poker site when I lost $10k on it?  Nope.  I made the legit and conscious choice.  While that may not be the best example, it is valid for one reason.  I made the choice.  No one put a gun to my head to put that money down.

Yes, you can say meltdown.  Yes, you can say TL:DR.  No biggie.  You want to sit there and be condescending in how you address me, then expect the same in return.  You want to talk to me with some respect, you get the same back.

[Nomad]

Ya know for a jew and an israeli jew......... YOU ARE ONE SON OF A FUCKEN BITCH. You lie. Every word you wrote in your post is a lie. Every single one. I know it because I work for LOJ. I have seen him. He is a top IFBB PRO while you a wannabe gay wanker on a forum.

You are a lying C u n t.

All your credibility is out the window. You lied about LOJ before once. You lie every single time when you see how successful he became, and how he destroyed GB by leaving it.

And you are fucken gay which is insulting your ppl even more.

You should have been slapped by the Rabbi when you were a child, ya dumb wanker.


Your friend,
Holomorphic

damn, you are one stupid goatfucker. I would seriously advise you to tread really carefully from now on. 1MR doesn't even need to use his bjj/mma skills to own you lol and you should probably look up the Suckmymuscle ownage thread, courtesy of 1 More Rep.

[dustin]

pellius, I love you but please don't patronize me and call me a special case. You know why I burned the bridge there.

In gh15's recent post he disrespects - there's no way to put it any other way so don't bother to defend him. A good leader would reciprocate the respect given to him and answer the difficult questions with confidence and honesty. But rather than appreciating your good nature and respectfully answering you, he basically tells you to shut the fuck up and watch your whore mouth.

I'm sorry, but that's disrespectful and I think you should join me when I say "fuck off, gh15!". Don't let him steam roll you like that. You deserve far more respect than that, and he's done nothing to deserve it. You are too nice in defending him and taking a lashing on here. Even though everyone rips on you here, they respect you. They engage in the back and fourth bullshit for many reasons, but it's evident that they respect you on a different level even though there's some harsh words being tossed around. And it's because you're a good person. gh15 doesn't deserve people like us to help him out anymore. Leave him like I did and don't bother looking back.

https://eservice.ag.gov.bc.ca/cso/esearch/criminal/partySearch.do

There you go too, gh15 nut huggers. Any pieces of shit from the gh15 board want to pull some shit up on me, you've got my name and address. You're not going to find so much as an unpaid speeding ticket on there.

Check the traffic/criminal and civil court cases; the court lists and details are vast, and if I so much as fingered a cop it would be there. I've never even had cuffs slapped on my wrists, so stop already with all the hollow threats. It's all just a shitty, desperate attempt to tarnish my name like when a stupid whore screams rape - Sorry whores, the fish smell from your crotch impregnates the air around you. No one is falling for that BS, so close those legs and go fuck yourselves.

[pellius]

pellius, I love you but please don't patronize me and call me a special case. You know why I burned the bridge there.

In gh15's recent post he disrespects - there's no way to put it any other way so don't bother to defend him. A good leader would reciprocate the respect given to him and answer the difficult questions with confidence and honesty. But rather than appreciating your good nature and respectfully answering you, he basically tells you to shut the fuck up and watch your whore mouth.

I'm sorry, but that's disrespectful and I think you should join me when I say "fuck off, gh15!". Don't let him steam roll you like that. You deserve far more respect than that, and he's done nothing to deserve it. You are too nice in defending him and taking a lashing on here. Even though everyone rips on you here, they respect you. They engage in the back and fourth bullshit for many reasons, but it's evident that they respect you on a different level even though there's some harsh words being tossed around. And it's because you're a good person. gh15 doesn't deserve people like us to help him out anymore. Leave him like I did and don't bother looking back.

https://eservice.ag.gov.bc.ca/cso/esearch/criminal/partySearch.do

There you go too, gh15 nut huggers. Any pieces of shit from the gh15 board want to pull some shit up on me, you've got my name and address. You're not going to find so much as an unpaid speeding ticket on there.

Check the traffic/criminal and civil court cases; the court lists and details are vast, and if I so much as fingered a cop it would be there. I've never even had cuffs slapped on my wrists, so stop already with all the hollow threats. It's all just a shitty, desperate attempt to tarnish my name like when a stupid whore screams rape - Sorry whores, the fish smell from your crotch impregnates the air around you. No one is falling for that BS, so close those legs and go fuck yourselves.

It's not at all be patronizing. Why would you say that? You consider your situation morally equivalent with -b-, whore bboy and Concrete Guy? You think there is a single person on our board that regrets getting rid of them? You think there's anybody there that misses them?

The same does not hold true for you. You were one of the original gh15ers. Many, if not all, have mixed emotions and regrets. When others come to me trying to ease their minds and justify some of the rules and the way the board often is handled I give them same speech I just mentioned in a previous post. Each person has to weight the pros and cons, the good and bad. I want them to be more vocal in expressing their misgivings so that at least gh15 and the mod team are aware that people are not just robots and will blindly follow any rules imposed on them or even not get bothered by little things. I just recently read that we're not allowed to say the word "riptropin" anymore. That brings to mind the famous quote by Lord Acton when he said, "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." One thing about having gh15 on GetBig was that it kept him in line in the sense he was challenged constantly. He didn't have the absolutely last word can couldn't act on his impulsive nature and just ban you because you annoyed him. Now on his board he doesn't have that restraint and is becoming more apt to just bark out random and arbitrary rules. "Anybody who says 'riptropin' will be banned!" People will abide by it because for most it's not a big deal and they want to be on the board. But it does dig at them. No one wants to be ordered around like that. No one likes to be bossed and bullied around with random fiats that make no sense but just appeases one person's one particular mood. At some point it will be too much for some. 

 Probably the biggest complaint I get is that no matter what the subject is, it could be about aas, peptides, your skin tone, problems with women, your diet, your religious beliefs, your car alternator -- that no matter what the subject is gh15 will chime in about legit kigs and how it will cure everything. The constant mantra about eating pizza and ice cream and having muscle blown up from within and water drawn from the skin into the muscle. Vavoom! Asking women neighbors about your body. And all that jazz. I know and you know people restrain themselves from saying "Just STFU about kigs already! We get it! And we know we are not going to be getting it any time soon. And when we do most of us aren't going to be able to afford it anyway." But I try to look at it from gh15's perspective. Bodybuilding is his life. He's literally found the holy grail. He's getting older and on the physical decline but with legit kigs he is given new life. I want others to relate to that in their own life. Things that are important to them. How often do you get a real second chance? Imagine if there was something you could take that would send your IQ sky rocketing? Or make you fly and spin spidey webs? If there was a real Plato's ring of Gyges that could turn you invisible. Legit Kigtropins is the closes thing we have to a real magic potion. And for someone like gh15 you can see why he would be so obsessed with it. 

With -b-, whore bboy, Concrete Guy we were dealing with real filts who stole and hurt people. No one puts you on that level. When you weighed the pros and cons for yourself. Restrictions on what you can say. Well for you it wasn't worth it anymore. I under stand and so does most everybody. So just walk away. No need to keep rehashing or joining in the bashing. Let others say what they will. There are a lot of gh15 nut huggers that are always vying to get in his good graces. You don't care about them anyway. So just let it be. Don't speak of it anymore. It was a bad situation all around for everybody. Let it die.

[chaos]

Lol @ cunts writing novels to each other.

[dustin]

Lol @ cunts writing novels to each other.

You don't want any of this, bro!!

[Krankenstein]

Lol @ cunts writing novels to each other.

They are love stories.  You want some?  Come get some. 

[chaos]

They are love stories.  You want some?  Come get some. 

Chiro Flex just PMd me, you're spoken for.

[TrueGrit]

LOJ delivers.

This is the difference between that site and all the other 'wannabe' imitators. If I get involved, it is very serious. There's a reason you won't hear 'Beta' spitting anymore lies.
Dustin is living @the mercy of LOJ, if he just gave me a green light on that skinny asian wanker, his wife's life would never be the same again. He won't let me and I'm Loyal to LOJ but, I want that gook to pay for his lies.

Dustin was never in LOJ's inner or top circles, he was barely a 'Mod'. He was demoded and then kicked off the forums.

He ruined his little body by using many different drugs for many years (Started in his teens), and put the blame on LOJ and for that he must pay. LOJ won't let the top 7 do anything though and it puzzles me because WE want to. I already showed Dustin's 'words' to LOJ and he still won't let it happen. I want this gook to pay.

Seeing as you're gh15gh15's righthand man and massively outrank Pellius -- as evidenced by the still well-loved GB semi-legend being fiercely publicly flogged by the the boss -- does the racism reflect well on the whole gh15 enterprise. Or not a big deal ?

[dustin]

Seven of us want you, he is the one protecting you, but we will get what we want and he can't tell us no for much longer.......... we are his top circle, majority rules.
You are a lying girl, you should pay for that ya drug addict. You are a fake.

I have everything there is to know about you infront of me but my hands are tied. Not for long though.

So.... you've got the private messages to the account that I gave to you guys proactively. Correct?

Just trying to get my ducks in a row here.

[TrueGrit]

 Some of the people that went over to the gh15 board are essentially very decent people. I cannot believe they would support all this threatening wives and kids shit. Silence is complicity.

[bigmc]

With -b-, whore bboy, Concrete Guy we were dealing with real filts who stole and hurt people. No one puts you on that level. When you weighed the pros and cons for yourself. Restrictions on what you can say. Well for you it wasn't worth it anymore. I under stand and so does most everybody. So just walk away. No need to keep rehashing or joining in the bashing. Let others say what they will. There are a lot of gh15 nut huggers that are always vying to get in his good graces. You don't care about them anyway. So just let it be. Don't speak of it anymore. It was a bad situation all around for everybody. Let it die.

bullying subtle but bullying none the less

maybe if gh 15 wasnt calling him a drug addict on his board.....

have you told him not to speak of it anymore?

[bigmc]

So we have another member here that was 'run off'?   Sad to say, but I am wondering if that is not such a bad idea to just be done with all of this.

you should never give in to bullies

now that the tactic is working for them

where will it stop?

[ChristopherA]

Are any of the fucking mods paying attention of what. Homomorphic is PMing dealth threats to members and yet still he posts? Why don't you go hook up with BigMC? You're both on the same continent. Oh yeah because if your little dwarf ass was standing in front of him IRL you would pee your pants.

[bigmc]

Are any of the fucking mods paying attention of what. Homomorphic is PMing dealth threats to members and yet still he posts? Why don't you go hook up with BigMC? You're both on the same continent. Oh yeah because if your little dwarf ass was standing in front of him IRL you would pee your pants.

ive offered to meet him

it isnt shredded wheat

its someone anonymous hiding in the shadows like a little bitch

[Cleanest Natural]

I have such low regard for you as a human being that it is meaningless to me what you think of me. And I have seen you, and if there ever was a fat looking alcoholic with a chip on his shoulder (always the mean mug to accent the bad ass tattoos) it is you.

As always: Pellius = Winning

 

you are one funny lunatic

not everyone can be this success story 

[gh420]

ive offered to meet him

it isnt shredded wheat

its someone anonymous hiding in the shadows like a little bitch

I suspect apply85 here, with his brutal 13.5 inch arm he can kill you in one punch bigmc, beware of him.

[chaos]

Are any of the fucking mods paying attention of what. Homomorphic is PMing dealth threats to members and yet still he posts? Why don't you go hook up with BigMC? You're both on the same continent. Oh yeah because if your little dwarf ass was standing in front of him IRL you would pee your pants.

Mods can't do anyyhing, only Ron.

[gh420]

Mods can't do anyyhing, only Ron.

This is what called "freedom of speech" i think

[OneMoreRep]

Are any of the fucking mods paying attention of what. Homomorphic is PMing dealth threats to members and yet still he posts?

If I truly felt the need to, I could speak with Ron and have him banned from the forum, but death threats don't bother me much. Heck, I probably have well over 10-15 death threats that have accumulated over the years.

I was clear to Holomorphic that he and his "crew" have an open invitation to come after me. My name, home address, Equinox gym address and Jiujitsu academy address have all been posted here ad nauseum. If he or his band of misfits wanted to make an example of the type of power they have, they can come over and "attempt" to hurt me. While I don't want to have to hurt anyone, I don't like death threats. You know what they say about pulling a gun out on someone, you better make sure to use it, because in return you might find a larger problem has been created.

I'm former military (more than 20 years ago and nothing special in rank), actively train in boxing & jiujitsu, have good size and know my way around weapons and anuses. I welcome a challenge and would love to see what a bunch of fucking pansies, who only know how to inflict wounds upon their butt cheeks by way of gh injections, would pretend to do to me. Don't for one second think that steroids or growth hormone makes anyone a better fighter or a skilled gunmen. Before anything else, I advocate for peace and conflict resolution by way of words. I wished holomorphic well in all of my private messages to him, but he had to get creative and make an empty threat (by way of a gun).

With the exception of a handful of guys that post on that other forum (Pellius, Wes, JNN and one of the guys behind gh15), I could care less about people flinging vain death threats.

Even though I don't care to be involved in these stupid arguments between sites, I do think the threats to members here need to stop. Unless you cowards actually do something to ANYONE, shut the fuck up and realize that empty threats only make you guys look like fucking pussies.

I'll also reiterate the point that gh15 was started by Special Ed, Blockhead, Alex23 & David_Paul. The four of them shared a password (That is a fact) and posted randomly for years by way of that account (That is also a fact).

Realize that any movement started with a weak foundation both reinforced with lies and gimmickry has no strength in it's ability to survive in the long run. You guys believe in a person you've never seen, heard or in any way shape or form directly dealt with. You are buying an imaginary product and like that of a shadow are attributing power to where their exists none.

To that, I say What The Fuck!?!

"1"

[chaos]

A few of us have offered to meet anyone/anytime to settle these death threats. We're still here.

All in all it's only the internet, have some fun, talk some shit, bust some balls, then log off and go to bed.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'll also reiterate the point that gh15 was started by Special Ed, Blockhead, Alex23 & David_Paul. The four of them shared a password (That is a fact) and posted randomly for years by way of that account (That is also a fact).

Has either Special Ed or Blockhead admitted/told you this? Do you think either of these two would now confirm this? If you know them, could you get a statement regarding this you could post here? And who was David Paul?

[OneMoreRep]

Has either Special Ed or Blockhead admitted/told you this? Do you think either of these two would now confirm this? If you know them, could you get a statement regarding this you could post here? And who was David Paul?

The inception of the gh15 entity occurred down in the Y or V board, if my memory serves me correct.

The password to that account floated around for quite some time and Alex23 can vouch for that and/even show you some posts where he clearly was the one writing the material.

Whether or not Jason Stern and Blockhead would confirm this now, depends on if they are still actively involved with that account or not. I like both Jason Stern and Blockhead. I think both of those guys are highly entertaining and creative in their own right. I also would like to see them return and bring back some of their humor to the forum. That said, I also understand that they have now made a home of elsewhere on their forum and for various reasons, would probably prefer to remain there.

Jason, if you read this, send me a Private Message some time and lets catch up. It's been a long time since we've spoken and I think we are long overdue for a chat.

So, Van-Bilderass, if I could vouch for their involvement in the account now, I would. What I can only state with a high degree of certainty is that all four of those individuals were involved in the creation and upkeep of the gh15 account for a good number of years (all of the moderators from that time and most from now can vouch for that, as it was common knowledge back then). Whether or not they gave it away since then to someone else is beyond me.

Remember, a person's writing style is like that of a finger print. Regardless of how much you smudge and try to obscure your nature and/or style of writing, it always seeps through with a few common words here and there, not to mention sentence structure and overall tone in the beginning, as well as the end of your work. My writing style rarely changes and is typically always marinated with the terms: penis, anus, testicles, cock and balls.

"1"

[Van_Bilderass]

The inception of the gh15 entity occurred down in the Y board, if my memory serves me correct.

The password to that account floated around for quite some time and Alex23 can vouch for that and/even show you some posts where he clearly was the one writing the material.

Whether or not Jason Stern and Blockhead would confirm this now, depends on if they are still actively involved with that account or not. I like both Jason Stern and Blockhead. I think both of those guys are highly entertaining and creative in their own right. I also would like to see them return and bring back some of their humor to the forum. That said, I also understand that they have now made a home of elsewhere on their forum and for various reasons, would probably prefer to remain there.

Jason, if you read this, send me a Private Message some time and lets catch up. It's been a long time since we've spoken and I think we are long overdue for a chat.

So, Van-Bilderass, if I could vouch for their involvement in the account now, I would. What I can only state with a high degree of certainty is that all four of those individuals were involved in the creation and upkeep of the gh15 account for a good number of years. Whether or not they gave it away since then to someone else is beyond me.

"1"

I always said I didn't know who gh15 was, BUT...

I wouln't trust a single thing Alex says. If Alex could show a few posts under the account "clearly" written by him, as you say, then he could end the whole gh15 saga like that *snaps fingers*.

Something just doesn't add up. Blockhead or Jason writing all those anabolics posts... just no. Blockheads posts about anabolics and supplements were laughable.

Both of these guys were creative and funny I agree. Especially Jason.

Didn't the inception of gh15 occur when Craig killed the girl? That's how I remember it. He first posted in the special Craig forum that was created IIRC.

[Wez]

The inception of the gh15 entity occurred down in the Y or V board, if my memory serves me correct.

The password to that account floated around for quite some time and Alex23 can vouch for that and/even show you some posts where he clearly was the one writing the material.

Whether or not Jason Stern and Blockhead would confirm this now, depends on if they are still actively involved with that account or not. I like both Jason Stern and Blockhead. I think both of those guys are highly entertaining and creative in their own right. I also would like to see them return and bring back some of their humor to the forum. That said, I also understand that they have now made a home of elsewhere on their forum and for various reasons, would probably prefer to remain there.

Jason, if you read this, send me a Private Message some time and lets catch up. It's been a long time since we've spoken and I think we are long overdue for a chat.

So, Van-Bilderass, if I could vouch for their involvement in the account now, I would. What I can only state with a high degree of certainty is that all four of those individuals were involved in the creation and upkeep of the gh15 account for a good number of years (all of the moderators from that time and most from now can vouch for that, as it was common knowledge back then). Whether or not they gave it away since then to someone else is beyond me.

Remember, a person's writing style is like that of a finger print. Regardless of how much you smudge and try to obscure your nature and/or style of writing, it always seeps through with a few common words here and there, not to mention sentence structure and overall tone in the beginning, as well as the end of your work. My writing style rarely changes and is typically always marinated with the terms: penis, anus, testicles, cock and balls.

"1"

You are a lier.

Even GB members are laughin at your sad attempts at lying. We communicate with him daily, it was always one person. Always same IFBB PRO. Quite a few of us work for him. He became huge, you can't face the truth, it hurts you. The worst 'fact' for you is that you are pissing off the wrong ppl who work for him too.......You will lose your life over this 'OMR'

Every little credibility you have had is now lost because you lie w/o facts. You lie because he left this forum and ruined it.

Do not lie. This is my last warning to you.