Why Heisman Voters Have Zero Credibility

[bigkid]

Look at Brennan game by game stats.  Not that impressive.  Weakest schedule i've ever seen.

[columbusdude82]

Beach Bum, what do you think of our Beanie Wells?

a. The best
b. The greatest
c. A god among men
d. All of the above

[onlyme]

Look at Brennan game by game stats.  Not that impressive.  Weakest schedule i've ever seen.

I thought his stats were great.  The schedule may not be that impressive.  Doesn't he hold numerous records.  Their offense is awesome.  And they can't help who they play. 

[Colossus_500]

Kevin Smith of Central Florida has 2448 yards rushing, 29 TDs, 230 yards receiving, and 1 TD.  He has ZERO fumbles this year (according to ESPN).

Colt Brennan is 337 for 472 for 4174 yards, 71.4 percent, 38 TDs, 14 INTs, 8 rushing TDs, 166 efficiency rating.  That's in about 9 games.  Graham Harrell leads the nation with 45 TD passes on 644 attempts (that's 172 MORE than Colt). 

It is likely that neither Smith nor Colt will even be invited to New York, much less win.  I wonder how some of those voters sleep at night.

Oh . . . and schedule . . . blah blah blah.   

I'm going to be pissed if Colt doesn't even get an invite.  In the two games I watched (stayed up 'til 3am to watch them come back on Washington), Colt Brennan was brilliant!  Can't wait to see who he goes to in the draft next year. 

I will say this though.  It seems like winning the Heisman is a death wish for an nfl career.  Take Troy Smith for example....who's he playing for??    I could go on and on....take a look at this list and the evidence will speak for itself.  If you did a "where are they now, it doesn't look to hot. 

YEAR                                   WINNER                        SCHOOL                          POSITION
2006                                     Troy Smith                    Ohio State                       QB
2005                                    Reggie Bush                   Southern California            RB
2004                                    Matt Leinharrt                Southern California            QB
2003                                    Jason White                   Oklahoma                        QB
2002                                    Carson Palmer                Southern California            QB
2001                                    Eric Crouch                    Nebraska                         QB
2000                                    Chris Weinke                  Florida State                    QB
1999                                    Ron Dayne                     Wisconsin                        RB
1998                                    Ricky Williams                 Texas                             RB
1997                                    Charles Woodson            Michigan                          DB/WR
1996                                    Danny Wuerffel              Florida                             QB
1995                                    Eddie George                 Ohio State                        RB
1994                                    Rashaan Salaam             Colorado                          RB
1993                                    Charlie Ward                  Florida State                    QB
1992                                    Gino Torretta                 Miami                              QB
1991                                    Desmond Howard            Michigan                          WR
1990                                    Ty Detmer                     Brigham Young                  QB
1989                                    Andre Ware                   Houston                           QB
1988                                    Barry Sanders                Oklahoma State                 RB
1987                                    Tim Brown                     Notre Dame                      WR
1986                                    Vinny Testaverde            Miami                              QB

[Cap]

I'm going to be pissed if Colt doesn't even get an invite.  In the two games I watched (stayed up 'til 3am to watch them come back on Washington), Colt Brennan was brilliant!  Can't wait to see who he goes to in the draft next year. 

I will say this though.  It seems like winning the Heisman is a death wish for an nfl career.  Take Troy Smith for example....who's he playing for??    I could go on and on....take a look at this list and the evidence will speak for itself.  If you did a "where are they now, it doesn't look to hot. 

YEAR                                   WINNER                        SCHOOL                          POSITION
2006                                     Troy Smith                    Ohio State                       QB......3rd string for Ravens
2005                                    Reggie Bush                   Southern California            RB.......awesome RB who had a great Rookie year
2004                                    Matt Leinharrt                Southern California            QB......rough start on a shitty team, now injured
2003                                    Jason White                   Oklahoma                        QB
2002                                    Carson Palmer                Southern California            QB.....sat the bench and is now a great Cincy QB
2001                                    Eric Crouch                    Nebraska                         QB
2000                                    Chris Weinke                  Florida State                    QB
1999                                    Ron Dayne                     Wisconsin                        RB
1998                                    Ricky Williams                 Texas                             RB
1997                                    Charles Woodson            Michigan                          DB...starting CB for Green Bay, stats are good
1996                                    Danny Wuerffel              Florida                             QB
1995                                    Eddie George                 Ohio State                        RB
1994                                    Rashaan Salaam             Colorado                          RB
1993                                    Charlie Ward                  Florida State                    QB
1992                                    Gino Torretta                 Miami                              QB
1991                                    Desmond Howard            Michigan                          WR
1990                                    Ty Detmer                     Brigham Young                  QB
1989                                    Andre Ware                   Houston                           QB
1988                                    Barry Sanders                Oklahoma State                 RB....awesome career
1987                                    Tim Brown                     Notre Dame                      WR...awesome career
1986                                    Vinny Testaverde            Miami                              QB..."  "

Hardly a bad award and indicative of future failure.  Many of these guys had great careers.  Troy Smith is the biggest bust of all.  I just don't see Colt as a great NFL QB but if he wins this award it would follow your line of thinking.

[Dos Equis]

Look at Brennan game by game stats.  Not that impressive.  Weakest schedule i've ever seen.

O Rly?  Ask and ye shall receive:

34-40, 416, 4 TDs, 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
43-61, 548, 4 TDs, 1 INT
26-32, 298, 2 TDS, 0 INTs, 3 rushing TDs
30-49, 369, 3 TDs, 5 INTs, 1 rushing TD
19-25, 219 1 TD, 0 INTs
44-75, 545, 4 TDs, 4 INTs, 1 rushing TD
29-46, 425, 6 TDs, 1 INT
28-39, 396, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
40-53, 495 5 TDs, 2 INTs, 1 rushing TD
42-50, 442, 5 TDs, 0 INTs

[Dos Equis]

I'm going to be pissed if Colt doesn't even get an invite.  In the two games I watched (stayed up 'til 3am to watch them come back on Washington), Colt Brennan was brilliant!  Can't wait to see who he goes to in the draft next year. 

I will say this though.  It seems like winning the Heisman is a death wish for an nfl career.  Take Troy Smith for example....who's he playing for??    I could go on and on....take a look at this list and the evidence will speak for itself.  If you did a "where are they now, it doesn't look to hot. 

YEAR                                   WINNER                        SCHOOL                          POSITION
2006                                     Troy Smith                    Ohio State                       QB
2005                                    Reggie Bush                   Southern California            RB
2004                                    Matt Leinharrt                Southern California            QB
2003                                    Jason White                   Oklahoma                        QB
2002                                    Carson Palmer                Southern California            QB
2001                                    Eric Crouch                    Nebraska                         QB
2000                                    Chris Weinke                  Florida State                    QB
1999                                    Ron Dayne                     Wisconsin                        RB
1998                                    Ricky Williams                 Texas                             RB
1997                                    Charles Woodson            Michigan                          DB/WR
1996                                    Danny Wuerffel              Florida                             QB
1995                                    Eddie George                 Ohio State                        RB
1994                                    Rashaan Salaam             Colorado                          RB
1993                                    Charlie Ward                  Florida State                    QB
1992                                    Gino Torretta                 Miami                              QB
1991                                    Desmond Howard            Michigan                          WR
1990                                    Ty Detmer                     Brigham Young                  QB
1989                                    Andre Ware                   Houston                           QB
1988                                    Barry Sanders                Oklahoma State                 RB
1987                                    Tim Brown                     Notre Dame                      WR
1986                                    Vinny Testaverde            Miami                              QB

Glad you got to watch him play.  There will always be drones who form opinions without looking at the film, but almost everyone who actually watches him play comes away with the same opinion.

And thank you for enhancing this thread.  Jason White.  Eric Crouch.  Weinke.  Wuerffel.  Just a cryin' shame.  My kids could do a better job picking the best player in the country.   

[CARTEL]

And thank you for enhancing this thread.  Jason White.  Eric Crouch.  Weinke.  Wuerffel.  Just a cryin' shame.  My kids could do a better job picking the best player in the country.   

I believe all those guys won National Championships.

Heisman means best "College" player. Not pros. Desmond Howard was unstoppable at Michigan and was mediocre at best in the pros. He still deserved it.

[Dos Equis]

I believe all those guys won National Championships.

Heisman means best "College" player. Not pros. Desmond Howard was unstoppable at Michigan and was mediocre at best in the pros. He still deserved it.

It is supposed to go to the best player in college football.  It rarely does, as the list of Heisman winners show.  Just look at this year.  The best running back in the country (Kevin Smith of Central Florida) isn't even a finalist. 

[CARTEL]

It is supposed to go to the best player in college football.  It rarely does, as the list of Heisman winners show.  Just look at this year.  The best running back in the country (Kevin Smith of Central Florida) isn't even a finalist. 

Who did they play this year? You have to have exposure and play some kind of schedule.

If it was up to you we would have nothing but mid-major players who played a bunch of nobodies and ran up their stats.

[Dos Equis]

Beach Bum, what do you think of our Beanie Wells?

a. The best
b. The greatest
c. A god among men
d. All of the above

e.  Who is Beanie Wells?

I'll take "e."   

[Dos Equis]

Who did they play this year? You have to have exposure and play some kind of schedule.

If it was up to you we would have nothing but mid-major players who played a bunch of nobodies and ran up their stats.

I don't buy the schedule argument.  These are all division I-A scholarship players.  The fact is Kevin Smith is on the verge of rushing for more yards in a season than any player in history.  He is about to pass Barry Sanders, who was the greatest college football player I've ever seen.  The fact he isn't even a Doalk Walker award finalist and Mike Hart, who finished somewhere around 24th in the country in rushing is, just shows how absurd some of these awards are.  How they can leave him out of the discussion for the Heisman is beyond me.     

The schedule isn't part of the Heisman criteria.  It's supposed to be performance on the field, regardless of opponent.   

If it was up to me, the best player in the country would get the award every year.  That simply doesn't happen currently.  Are you going to seriously tell me that Troy Smith was the best player in college football last year? 

[columbusdude82]

e.  Who is Beanie Wells?

I'll take "e."   

Solid proof that you don't know as much as you claim to know when you talk about college football (same goes for when you talk about evolution, I guess )

[Dos Equis]

Solid proof that you don't know as much as you claim to know when you talk about college football (same goes for when you talk about evolution, I guess )

Oh brother.  What are you talking about?  How much did I "claim to know"? 

[CARTEL]

I don't buy the schedule argument.  These are all division I-A scholarship players.  The fact is Kevin Smith is on the verge of rushing for more yards in a season than any player in history.  He is about to pass Barry Sanders, who was the greatest college football player I've ever seen.  The fact he isn't even a Doalk Walker award finalist and Mike Hart, who finished somewhere around 24th in the country in rushing is, just shows how absurd some of these awards are.  How they can leave him out of the discussion for the Heisman is beyond me.     

The schedule isn't part of the Heisman criteria.  It's supposed to be performance on the field, regardless of opponent.   

If it was up to me, the best player in the country would get the award every year.  That simply doesn't happen currently.  Are you going to seriously tell me that Troy Smith was the best player in college football last year? 

How do you know he is the "best" player in football if he hasn't played a tough schedule? I can run all over a pop warner team. It doesn't mean I'm the next Jim Brown.

[Dos Equis]

How do you know he is the "best" player in football if he hasn't played a tough schedule? I can run all over a pop warner team. It doesn't mean I'm the next Jim Brown.

Because he performed better than any other running back in the history of college football except Barry Sanders (so far). 

There are no pop warner teams in Division I-A football.  A good football player is a good football player.  The schedule argument is a coput for people who don't want to confront stats and game film. 

[CARTEL]

Because he performed better than any other running back in the history of college football except Barry Sanders (so far). 

There are no pop warner teams in Division I-A football.  A good football player is a good football player.  The schedule argument is a coput for people who don't want to confront stats and game film. 

Are you kidding me? There are terrible D1 schools. The schedule argument is not good enough for you because your favorite team played a cupcake schedule.

If HI would have played 10 top 25 teams and had two losses, you would be whining that they should be in the BCS Championship game because they played so many good teams.

[SinCitysmallGUY]

Are you kidding me? There are terrible D1 schools. The schedule argument is not good enough for you because your favorite team played a cupcake schedule.

If HI would have played 10 top 25 teams and had two losses, you would be whining that they should be in the BCS Championship game because they played so many good teams.

Lets look at it like this... USC doesn't play a very tough schedule and lost to Washington, who someone was saying HI barely got by... Also didn't Michigan lose to Apalachain st. How many other teams lost there top 10 rankning by losing to a team that wasn't even ranked? Schedule is a bullshit exscuse. I agree with beach 100%. Let me guess  your team must be LSU or soemthing? or is it OHIO???

[columbusdude82]

Lets look at it like this... USC doesn't play a very tough schedule and lost to Washington, who someone was saying HI barely got by... Also didn't Michigan lose to Apalachain st. How many other teams lost there top 10 rankning by losing to a team that wasn't even ranked? Schedule is a bullshit exscuse. I agree with beach 100%. Let me guess  your team must be LSU or soemthing? or is it OHIO???

Yes, they did

[Dos Equis]

Are you kidding me? There are terrible D1 schools. The schedule argument is not good enough for you because your favorite team played a cupcake schedule.

If HI would have played 10 top 25 teams and had two losses, you would be whining that they should be in the BCS Championship game because they played so many good teams.

Nice try Cartel.  Don't make stuff up to try and prove a point. 

1.  I didn't say there were no bad teams in Division I-A.  Of course there are.  I said there are no "pop warner" teams.

2.  As I indicated earlier in this thread, I have been down on the Heisman since 1992.  The schedule argument made no sense then, because Marshall Faulk was clearly better than Gino Torretta, and it wasn't even close.  It makes no sense today. 

3.  No, a team with 2 wins does not deserve to be in the "BCS."  That's a dumb argument. 

It was a crime to leave Kevin Smith (2448 yards rushing, 29 TDs), Matt Forte (2127 yards rushing, 23 TDs), and Michael Crabtree (125 receptions, 1861 yards, 21 TDs) out of the discussion. 

So tell me Cartel, which schools out of the 119 Division I-A programs should have players eligible for the Heisman?  All of them?  Some of them?  Only "BCS" schools?   

[Dos Equis]

Lets look at it like this... USC doesn't play a very tough schedule and lost to Washington, who someone was saying HI barely got by... Also didn't Michigan lose to Apalachain st. How many other teams lost there top 10 rankning by losing to a team that wasn't even ranked? Schedule is a bullshit exscuse. I agree with beach 100%. Let me guess  your team must be LSU or soemthing? or is it OHIO???

Yep.  I'd clarify that USC beat Washington by 3, but lost to Stanford. 

[SinCitysmallGUY]

Yep.  I'd clarify that USC beat Washington by 3, but lost to Stanford. 

Okay who cares point still remains HI deserved to be in a better bowl then USC or anyone with 2 losses.



P.S. I hate USC

[CARTEL]

Lets look at it like this... USC doesn't play a very tough schedule and lost to Washington, who someone was saying HI barely got by... Also didn't Michigan lose to Apalachain st. How many other teams lost there top 10 rankning by losing to a team that wasn't even ranked? Schedule is a bullshit exscuse. I agree with beach 100%. Let me guess  your team must be LSU or soemthing? or is it OHIO???

Actually I'm a Florida State fan. And of course you agree with Beach because Boise State plays the same cupcakes HI does.

[CARTEL]

3.  No, a team with 2 wins does not deserve to be in the "BCS."  That's a dumb argument. 

I said 2 LOSSES.

It was a crime to leave Kevin Smith (2448 yards rushing, 29 TDs), Matt Forte (2127 yards rushing, 23 TDs), and Michael Crabtree (125 receptions, 1861 yards, 21 TDs) out of the discussion. 

So tell me Cartel, which schools out of the 119 Division I-A programs should have players eligible for the Heisman?  All of them?  Some of them?  Only "BCS" schools?   

Why do you keep putting out offensive players? Why not invite some Defensive players. A lot of the time they are the best players in College.

[Dos Equis]

Actually I'm a Florida State fan. And of course you agree with Beach because Boise State plays the same cupcakes HI does.

   Yes, Oklahoma sure is a cupcake. 

So is Alabama, Purdue, Oregon, Arizona State, and Michigan State.