Getting Hard and Dry for a Show w/ anti-estrogens

[Obi-Wan]

Question:  I heard that anti-estrogens will allow you to get the hard and dry look, which is why proviron is so effective.  If this is the case, could I simply take nolvadex for a show and get the same effect?

Look forward to goo discussion...

Obi-Wan

[Luv2Hurt]

IMO you will never get dry enough without a good dose of an effective AI such as letro or arimedex.  Nolva will not do the same thing even with proviron.  During you prep you will be on plenty of gear and there will still be plenty of aromatase going on.  Estrogenic sides while on a good diet will usually appear as mid section fat and water retention, something you need to control and eliminate.

[Arnold jr]

IMO you will never get dry enough without a good dose of an effective AI such as letro or arimedex.  Nolva will not do the same thing even with proviron.  During you prep you will be on plenty of gear and there will still be plenty of aromatase going on.  Estrogenic sides while on a good diet will usually appear as mid section fat and water retention, something you need to control and eliminate.

What he said. BTW, just to add, if you want to be super dry, you're going to have to use some sort of diuretic...that's why people use diuretics.

Oh yeah, proviron is one of the biggest waste in the world IMO.

[local hero]

id use nolva and arimidex.... wont touch lasex tho, leaves you flat as a pancake

[Big_Tymer]

I did like the way I looked while on 1.25mg/day of letro.  Very tight and dry paper thin skin, looked pretty crazy.  I would suggest 1.25mg/day starting 2-3 weeks out from your show.  Its not as good as a real diuretic, but definitely better than nothing.

[ObiWan]

Thanks for the input.

I have one last question.  I notice some pros like Hadair and Horvath received their pro cards after they competed, won, and were drug tested in the drug-tested IFBB World Championships.  They were hard and dry in these shows.

Question:  If they passed the drug test test, by taking testosterone and then cutting it out early, did they take the anti-estrogens you are referring to all the way up to the drug test??? Do they test for these anti-estrogens in these IFBB World Champ drug tests??   

How do these guys get hard for these drug tested shows? Maybe Milos knows???

Let's see who can answer this question.

Obi-Wan
Jedi Master

[dr_para24]

most of them take test propionate during the preparation. besdie that they do have other stuffs like primo tabs, stano and anavar tabs, these drugs only last them for 3 weeks beside that they also do take T3. lassix and clen. that why they are rips and never get caught. For those who are too flat, they will take testo suspension, which will last only 3 - 4 days in thier systems. they will nto take too such as it hold water. there for small amount will not make them water retension giving them gyno, so anti estrogen is not requiry. GH and IGF also play a parts.

[ObiWan]

Thanks Dr. Para. But how do they get hard... if you take test you tend to carry estrogen and water all the way to the show. I'm sure they test for diuretics??? Do they test for anti-estrogens too?

I remember the year Haidar won the world championships... he was HARD as a rock and as dry as he is today on the pro stage...

I look forward to hearing how they do this and pass the drug test.

Obi-wan

[dr_para24]

Thanks Dr. Para. But how do they get hard... if you take test you tend to carry estrogen and water all the way to the show. I'm sure they test for diuretics??? Do they test for anti-estrogens too?

I remember the year Haidar won the world championships... he was HARD as a rock and as dry as he is today on the pro stage...

I look forward to hearing how they do this and pass the drug test.

Obi-wan

Test pro, 50mg x 3 times a week will not make you hold water!!! Test pro is not a good test for bulking cycle, it can be says as useless for bulking cycle. Those who use testo suspension is, their body is very flat and super ripped so is ok for them to use. as I say not too much! this shit will make you bulky. so no anti estrogen pill needed. Anti estrogen will be tested.

For diuretics? yes they do test for it, anyway this will stay in your body for 3 to 4 days so is not a big deal!! As i told you there is so many drugs can be use, primo tabs, stano tabs, anavar tabs, clen, HGH, IGF and Tren Hex can be used. all this drugs will not hold any water!!!!