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Raw eggs undigestable?
« on: December 10, 2007, 12:38:32 PM »
i'm in the habit of drinking the suckers raw these days, but someone told me once they wont digest as well as if cooked.


any feedback?

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 01:15:38 PM »
I don't think cooking them makes them any more or less digestible, just better tasting and less risk of salmonella.

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 01:19:50 PM »
I don't think cooking them makes them any more or less digestible, just better tasting and less risk of salmonella.
hmm i have no idea whether or not cooking effects the digestibility of eggs..

but according to
http://www.eggwhites-international.com/


"The human body cannot completely and safely digest a raw egg white so if you like to do the “Rocky Routine” with a raw egg in your drink, you are wasting your time, not to mention the threat of Salmonella. In addition, Avidin, an enzyme found in raw egg whites, blocks the uptake of Vitamin B6 (Biotin) causing an unhealthy vitamin deficiency.

To avoid these two potentially dangerous problems, you must cook the egg white to eliminate the threat of Salmonella and to neutralize the Avidin in order to allow your body to safely digest the protein. However, When you cook an egg white to the point of scrambled eggs, 150 degrees or more, you begin to destroy the true value of the protein thus making it less effective."

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 01:21:05 PM »
hmm i have no idea whether or not cooking effects the digestibility of eggs..

but according to
http://www.eggwhites-international.com/


"The human body cannot completely and safely digest a raw egg white so if you like to do the “Rocky Routine” with a raw egg in your drink, you are wasting your time, not to mention the threat of Salmonella. In addition, Avidin, an enzyme found in raw egg whites, blocks the uptake of Vitamin B6 (Biotin) causing an unhealthy vitamin deficiency.

To avoid these two potentially dangerous problems, you must cook the egg white to eliminate the threat of Salmonella and to neutralize the Avidin in order to allow your body to safely digest the protein. However, When you cook an egg white to the point of scrambled eggs, 150 degrees or more, you begin to destroy the true value of the protein thus making it less effective."

No shit! Wow learn something new everyday NH.

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 01:25:27 PM »
yup. but B6 defficiency from Avidin takes a while. If you supplement with Biotin, you're ok.

Salmonella prevention -> soak in boiling water for a couple of secs or 2 mins in the oven at 225.

never had any problems.

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2007, 01:26:20 PM »
yup. but B6 defficiency from Avidin takes a while. If you supplement with Biotin, you're ok.

Salmonella prevention -> soak in boiling water for a couple of secs or 2 mins in the oven at 225.

never had any problems.
whoa awesome info alex..thanks

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2007, 03:52:51 PM »
I cant eat raw eggs. Tried it a couple of times and felt like throwing up after. The texture and sensation of drinking a glass of slime is disgusting. Plus ive heard about salmonella and shit.
No doubt about it...

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2007, 04:06:10 PM »
Agreed, can't stand the texture  :-X

Even Lana Egg Whites, etc....

I just cook the little bastards (real eggs) to the point where the slime is gone on low-med heat.

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2007, 04:19:11 PM »
i like it cause, as you all know, after years of eating the f'ers cooked, you get sick of them.  Drinking them is quick, painless, and no dishes


i just wanna make sure my body can use the raw protein when uncooked.  As for the salmonella, never have had it..


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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2007, 04:30:20 PM »
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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2007, 04:34:48 PM »
i like it cause, as you all know, after years of eating the f'ers cooked, you get sick of them.  Drinking them is quick, painless, and no dishes


i just wanna make sure my body can use the raw protein when uncooked.  As for the salmonella, never have had it..



Only takes one bro. Took this from www.safeeggs.com, I read thru it a while back and thought it had some good info. Probably too much info, sorry...

*Salmonella causes illnesses in a reported 1.4 million people a year. (1)

*It is estimated .01% of eggs in the retail market are contaminated with Salmonella, or one out of every 10,000 eggs  in the U.S. (2)

*Eggs and egg-containing foods have been identified as the vehicle in roughly 80% of known source Salmonella enteritidis (Se) infections in the U.S. (3)

*Se is a dangerous bacterium that can be transferred to humans through ingestion of raw or undercooked eggs. (3)

*Salmonellosis, the illness from Salmonella infection, is characterized by fever, stomach cramps, and diarrhea. The degree to which a person infected becomes sick depends on his or her health status and the virulence of Salmonella ingested. In general, the poorer a person’s health and the more severe contamination of the egg ingested, the greater the likelihood for serious illness and death. (3)

*Salmonella infections are most often found in age extremes, i.e., children and elderly.  However, the association of age may be due to a reporting bias as children and seniors are more likely to be cultured by a doctor and reported. (3)

*The  at-risk population for Salmonella illness includes children, the elderly, and people with weakened immune systems, which makes up about 30 percent of the U.S. population overall.

*Salmonella is the number one cause of food poisoning in the U.S. (4)

*CDC data shows 75% of Salmonella outbreaks are caused by consuming raw or inadequately cooked, grade A, whole shell eggs. (3)

*Salmonella is much more likely to be associated with egg-containing foods. The eggs involved are almost always grade A commercial shell eggs from a variety of source farms and typically were served not fully cooked. (5)

*Eggs with Salmonella enteritidis look and taste the same as other shell eggs. (4)

*Eggs are contaminated inside the egg prior to lay, so washing the eggs before cracking them open is a common but absolutely false assumption regarding the safety of the egg. Eggs that are USDA graded AA or A quality, as well as eggs that are free range, cage free, organic, vegetarian, etc., while all possessing attributes of value added quality, offer no assurance of safety. Regardless of an egg’s quality attributes, any egg could be harboring Salmonella bacteria inside.  There is no taste, texture or visual way to tell which eggs have the bacteria.

*Salmonella enteritidis inside of eggs is not eliminated by standard methods of food preparation, short of cooking eggs until they are dry and hard. (5)

*Effectiveness of cooking to reduce bacteria is measured as a % of bacteria surviving after cooking.  Humphrey et al. (1989) established that eggs that were confirmed to contain Salmonella bacteria will still contain Salmonella bacteria after cooking.  Eggs that are poached, soft boiled or cooked sunny-side up show that after cooking the bacteria still remained in 100% of samples starting with bacteria.  Eggs cooked over easy/over medium (in vegetable oil for approximately 2.5 minutes at 120°F.) showed that Salmonella bacteria remained in up to 56% of samples after cooking. Scrambled and hard cooked eggs where no visible liquid remains, were the only eggs that resulted in 0% containing bacteria after cooking. (3)

*A two-year government study pinpointed cookie dough and other foods containing raw or undercooked eggs as the leading cause of foodborne illness outbreaks. (1)

*Heat pasteurization has been used for over one hundred years and pasteurized eggs are as safe as pasteurized milk.
Salmonella:
Se bacteria are found within chickens' ovaries, and therefore within the egg as it develops and after it is laid.

*The only known way of eliminating these dangerous bacteria is through heat.

*Pasteurization uses heat to kill the bacteria and deliver eggs that are completely safe to eat.
1. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 10/02
2. Mason, 1994: Chantarapanont et al., 2000
3. FSIS Risk Assessment of Salmonella enteritidis in Shell Eggs, 10/05
4. CDC Report on Foodborne Illness, 6/99
5. R. V. Tauxe, MD, MPH, Center for Disease Control and Prevention

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2007, 04:51:13 PM »
thanks.  i'm not too concerned w a little diarrhea or cramping.....

im just concerned that the egg/ egg whites im drinking will not be used by my body as well as cooked eggs would.

in other words, i'll cook them if they are used better than uncooked

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2007, 06:04:32 PM »
thanks.  i'm not too concerned w a little diarrhea or cramping.....

im just concerned that the egg/ egg whites im drinking will not be used by my body as well as cooked eggs would.

in other words, i'll cook them if they are used better than uncooked
i think the consensus is tha they are perfectly digestible, but that there is a sligth chance of salmonella, and if you drink them raw for an extended period of time you are risking a small b-6 deficiency..but that can be off set by supplementing with biotin.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2007, 09:40:01 PM »
There are a couple of guys around here who have had salmonella poisoning and indicated it's no fun :-[ 
Search "salmonella" here and you'll find the whole raw egg discussion has come up numerous times.  Meanwhile, this has some good and interesting info http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Egg_Yolk.html
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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2007, 07:59:39 AM »
i'm in the habit of drinking the suckers raw these days, but someone told me once they wont digest as well as if cooked.


any feedback?

  As a general rule, you should only cook food for health reasons. For health, it makes no sense cooking your food because it destroys all nutrients. Meat and eggs are the only two foods I can think off that you absolutely must cook, because it is loaded with bacteria and not cooking it might kill you. Also, raw eggs have avidin, a substance that interferes with protein absorption, so you get nothing out of raw eggs except bacteria poisoning. The protein is simply not absorbed. Now, cooking vegetables and grain is retarded.

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2007, 08:07:39 AM »
  For health, it makes no sense cooking your food because it destroys all nutrients.

Now, cooking vegetables and grain is retarded.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Not always true.  For example, in the case of tomatoes, a fruit, cooking is beneficial because it liberates the lycopene into a form that the body can use

See "CU research: Cooking tomatoes boosts disease-fighting, nutritional value"

http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/02/4.25.02/tomato_research.html

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2007, 08:43:24 AM »
SO this blows..


some say cooking DOES destroy the usablility of the protein, and others say it doesn't.  Great.

SUCK MY MUSCLE:  i don't think Avidin interferes with protein absorption, just biotin ...

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2007, 09:10:36 PM »
The Health Benefits of Raw Eggs By John Claydon D.Hom

 

The process of cooking eggs destroy the very goodness that our bodies so desperately need as the nature of proteins and fats is altered when exposed to heat.  When cooked, the egg protein changes its chemical shape; it is often this process that can be the cause of allergies.  Generally when eating raw eggs, any incidence of egg allergy will disappear.

 

Surprisingly, in spite of ‘bad press’ raw eggs, organic or at least from a known source of healthy free-range chickens, are an excellent health tonic.  The regular consumption of raw eggs will do wonders for your overall health.  Exceptionally easy to digest, raw eggs provide a wonderful boost to the immune system, and a completely balanced nutritional package.  A good immune system is one of several things the body needs to overcome cancer. 

 

Many people’s diets are deficient in high quality proteins and fats, and eggs are one the very best sources of these. Raw eggs have many benefits, they contain essential nutrients for the brain, nerves, glands and hormones, they are nutritionally balanced, and we highly recommend the addition of raw eggs to your nutritional programme.   The sulphur amino acids help to keep you young, raw eggs also contain an abundance of other vital substances including protein, essential fatty acids along with niacin, riboflavin, biotin, choline, vitamins A, D and E, magnesium, potassium, phosphorous, manganese, iron, iodine, copper, zinc and sulphur. Egg yolks are one of the few foods that contain vitamin D.

 

Poisoning from salmonella has been exaggerated in the past. A study by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 2002 indicated that only 2.3 million, of the 69 billion eggs produced annually, are contaminated with salmonella.   In other words 0.003% or 1 in every 30,000 eggs.  The bulk of these come from battery chicken eggs and chickens kept in unhealthy conditions - only sick chickens lay salmonella contaminated eggs.  If only healthy chicken eggs (organic and free range ideally) are consumed, then far less than one in 30,000 eggs are contaminated.  Salmonella is a common micro-organism found almost everywhere, and is just as likely, or more likely, to proliferate on cooked food kept in the fridge. Infection is normally mild gastric symptoms, but in rare cases where the immune system is very low such in the elderly who have had much anti-biotic use, and the source is greatly contaminated, death can result. But such a person is highly lightly to contract one of many common micro-organisms and die from that.   To give some perspective, in the highly unusual situation of contracting Salmonella, in a healthy person, an infection is nothing to worry about and is easily treated with high quality pro-biotics every half an hour until you feel better.

 

Method of Consuming Raw Eggs

 

From day one of starting raw eggs, your immune system becomes stronger and health will improve.  We recommend Zell Oxygen as a key supplement for overall health enhancement. Three raw eggs a day (this will take the place of one meal), seems to be the preferred amount taken by people who regularly consume raw eggs.  It is sensible to build up the amount of raw eggs consumed gradually. They are best taken by breaking them into a cup and swallowing whole.  It can be helpful to cut through the yolk with a knife to make it easier to swallow, If you have a mental problem with swallowing raw eggs, (they are almost tasteless and easy to swallow) blend with a little goats or sheep’s milk or even avocado, but ideally raw eggs should not be blended as the molecular structure is damaged.    Inspect the egg, if it has been cracked do not use it, once broken into the cup or blender smell it, if it smells off do not use it.   

 

It is best to keep eggs un-refrigerated, but in a cool place. Refrigeration can destroy the vital amino acids in raw eggs and can also disguise the distinctive smell of an egg that has gone off.   

 

Raw Eggs and Cholesterol

 

There is no danger from the cholesterol build up since 2/3 of cholesterol in the body is produced by the liver. The amount of cholesterol consumed in the diet does not relate to the amount of cholesterol deposited.  Many studies have shown that the cholesterol in eggs does not raise cholesterol level in the body.  Furthermore, eggs contain Lecithin, a valuable nutrient that helps the body to process fats and cholesterol.

 

Eggs contain valuable fat needed to keep us healthy. On the other hand heated or processed fats are converted into Trans-fats - toxic chemicals that harden in the body, around every cell and clog the circulation. Margarine contains an abundance of Trans-fats and is not part of a healthy diet. Do not be afraid of that natural product that has been eaten with no adverse effects for thousands of years, butter. The initial report that cholesterol in foods leads to health problems was released to the press without scientific validation, and has since been proven by hundreds of scientists and studies around the world to be completely false. The only benefits from the initial press release were to the margarine and vegetable oil industries.

 

Raw Eggs and Biotin Deficiency

 

Nature created an egg to be a balanced live food – as long as you eat the biotin rich yolk along with the white, there is no risk of a biotin deficiency.

 

Quote from the book “The Recipe for Living Without Disease” By Aajonus Vonderplanitz

         

Free range (ideally from healthy chickens, including organically certified, even better are fertile eggs).

         

“Raw eggs are one of the best compact foods in nature. Eggs are the ultimate, complete fast food. However the protein in eggs is not utilised for cellular reproduction. They are utilised for regeneration and maintenance. The relationship between raw eggs and salmonella poisoning is a myth"

(Reference the great egg panic by Emily Green, LA R times Jan 2000)

 

Eggs are remarkable for everyone especially the infirm. Three years ago a medical doctor called me on a Thursday evening about her 70 yr old female patient with emphysema. She explained that her patient had been mainly bed-ridden for two years, was on 100% oxygen and respiratory machines. She prognosed that her patient would die that weekend unless I could help. I told her that the only thing I thought might help at that late stage was eggs. I recommended that she get her patient 10 dozen raw eggs, and put them on her bed table. I suggested that she ask her patient to eat one as often as she could and that there was no limit. Very early Monday morning, I received a call from the patient. She told me that she was off the machines, out of bed and feeling stronger that she had in years. She had eaten 66 eggs over the weekend.

 

If eggs are whipped, beaten or blended without raw milk, raw cream, or coconut cream, many of the enzymes are oxidised and lost.”  It is best to break open the egg into a cup or glass and swallow whole.  Most people are repelled by this, but with a little courage it is found to be easy. There is almost no taste and the egg, even big ones are easily swallowed. Generally, I find, 3 to 4 eggs taken in the morning are an important part of my well-being programme. The cholesterol in raw eggs is not deposited in the arteries and is an essential nutrient for aiding health and well-being. The white of the egg has been said to interfere with biotin assimilation, but nature knows best by making the egg yolk very rich in biotin. The egg in its entirety is a very balanced food and only supports health and should be taken in its entirety, yolk and white together.


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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2007, 09:49:15 PM »
wow thats a great article...but i wonder how much the cooking/ beating of the raw egg effects the health benefits of the egg?   i have a huge appetite and i have to eat some food in the morning..i think i would end up over eating if i drank my breakfast..       

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2007, 06:20:10 AM »
ok, here I am.  I didn't see this before...I would have jumped all over it.  I am up to about 24 raw eggs daily at the max.  I don't think I'll go higher than that, in fact I might cut back just a bit because 12 at a time seems like about 2-4 too many.  Anyway, we have all read a million reports on salmonella poisoning and what not-some even going so far as to say that even eating anything raw is taking too much of a risk.  If you are curious, why not figure it out for yourself?  You can't know until you know.  But keep this in mind: we are not these weak, useless, fragile beings that everyone seems to think we are.  Some might be more fragile than others because they've been spending their lives sterilyzing everything and cooking their entire existance, but that can be reversed.  Our bodies are animals.   

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2007, 07:03:24 AM »
GUY...this thread is about whether we can use raw egg protein....NOT the effects of Salmonella....

I'm still drinking them raw....no dishes, pans, time spend eating, gross taste.  Trust me, try it...it's not bad at all.   Think cold, flavorless jello.

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2007, 07:32:20 AM »
GUY...this thread is about whether we can use raw egg protein....NOT the effects of Salmonella....

I'm still drinking them raw....no dishes, pans, time spend eating, gross taste.  Trust me, try it...it's not bad at all.   Think cold, flavorless jello.

This says NO to raw http://thetlab.com/egg-protein-raw-vs-cooked
Anyone care to decipher this? http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2007, 08:12:14 AM »
Best and most nutritional way to eat an egg is poached.  Eggs are water soluble and when you eat them raw you do not get as much of the nutritional value.  At least that is what Benny Pooda used to say.  He did his college thesis on eggs.

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Re: Raw eggs undigestable?
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2007, 09:59:43 AM »
This says NO to raw http://thetlab.com/egg-protein-raw-vs-cooked
Anyone care to decipher this? http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716



I don't have time to read the whole thing but:

"The true ileal digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein amounted to 90.9 ± 0.8 and 51.3 ± 9.8%, respectively"

Seems like they vote for cooking too in regards to protein availability.

Thanks for the article PL.