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I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« on: December 13, 2007, 05:36:36 AM »
ing, momentum and lack of negatives?

I mean, every video I have seen he is using momentum for rows and a host of other exercises. It is amazing it worked for him. How DID it work for him?

Discuss...
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 05:47:14 AM »
no matter how yo move some heavy ass weight you're still going to grow.. And ther's no way you can do some of those movements wihtout a little cheating.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swi
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 05:48:05 AM »
Maybe he is proof that the pink dumbell-using technique lovers infatuated with the mind-muscle connection are all full of shit?
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swi
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 05:58:33 AM »
Quote from: phreak on December 13, 2007, 05:48:05 AM
Maybe he is proof that the pink dumbell-using technique lovers infatuated with the mind-muscle connection are all full of shit?

Speaking of Dorian?
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2007, 06:07:42 AM »
Quote from: Trapezkerl on December 13, 2007, 05:36:36 AM
ing, momentum and lack of negatives?

I mean, every video I have seen he is using momentum for rows and a host of other exercises. It is amazing it worked for him. How DID it work for him?

Discuss...

if you train for more than 1 year i think you already know the answer for your question...You talk like ONLY Coleman do this, while in fact, guys like Dorian, Priest and maybe Levrone(with perfect form) are exceptions....
 Coleman looks like Dorian on form if you compare with Johnny Jackson or Branch...and the 2 of them are beasts
 Perfect form IS overrated, but i know every person have different responses to different kind of trainnings....So maybe perfect form with less weight would be better from them...
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007, 06:48:09 AM »
Quote from: thewickedtruth on December 13, 2007, 05:47:14 AM
no matter how yo move some heavy ass weight you're still going to grow.. And ther's no way you can do some of those movements wihtout a little cheating.

Unless your Dorian Yates
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swi
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2007, 06:53:49 AM »
Quote from: Trapezkerl on December 13, 2007, 05:58:33 AM
Speaking of Dorian?
Not at all. Speaking of the betesticled girls who focus solely on technique as an excuse for not lifting weights as heavy as possible. Dorian had great technique AND used big weights -- for such a level of control. That is no problem, and works fine too. But form fetishists who bench 115 for 8 perfect reps are afraid of actual work.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2007, 06:55:59 AM »
The guy is a genetic freak.  Us mere mortals (particularly the unjuiced) will have to continue training smarter.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2007, 07:01:27 AM »
As long as you feel the muscle and not only the joint it's "ok". The rest is up to the robustness of your connective tissue. High tension is a prerequisit for growth and I guess lot's of the swinging + catching the weights on top tear up the muscle good.
Additionally a bigger is muscle is easier to "feel" and more inefficient so overloading gets kinda "easier".

p.s.: say goodbye to healthy elbows  8)
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 07:03:13 AM »
Imagine if he would have superset with stretch tubes and squated on a bosu? 
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 07:05:12 AM »
Quote from: The Showstoppa on December 13, 2007, 07:03:13 AM
Imagine if he would have superset with stretch tubes and squated on a bosu? 

He would have broken the 400lbs bodyweight barrier!  ;D
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swi
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 07:06:07 AM »
most normal people would not get good results using his 1/4 reps style with no negative and using the amount of momentum he does.

I actually wonder if he does it deliberately to move heavier weight when he is being filmed...
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 07:10:18 AM »
Quote from: rocket on December 13, 2007, 06:55:59 AM
The guy is a genetic freak.  Us mere mortals (particularly the unjuiced) will have to continue training smarter.

yep.  ronnie's an alien.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swi
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2007, 07:26:57 AM »
When you go THAT heavy, swinging doesn't play the major role....
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swi
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2007, 07:34:55 AM »
Quote from: Meso_z on December 13, 2007, 07:26:57 AM
When you go THAT heavy, swinging doesn't play the major role....

I think your avatar shows the opposite.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swi
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2007, 07:44:30 AM »
Quote from: Meso_z on December 13, 2007, 07:26:57 AM
When you go THAT heavy, swinging doesn't play the major role....

I reckon a 15 page thread could be created on that subject.  I definitely see your point there, that everything is being overloaded but I wouldn't be sure until I've read an analysis done by candidizzle
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2007, 07:45:22 AM »
Quote from: Trapezkerl on December 13, 2007, 05:36:36 AM
ing, momentum and lack of negatives?

I mean, every video I have seen he is using momentum for rows and a host of other exercises. It is amazing it worked for him. How DID it work for him?

Discuss...
because "strict form" is a joke and a fallacy.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2007, 07:47:56 AM »
Quote from: The Squadfather on December 13, 2007, 07:45:22 AM
because "strict form" is a joke and a fallacy.

Lets not make any assertions until the expert has weighed in
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2007, 07:49:12 AM »
you can't have an affective back workout with "strict" form
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2007, 08:02:24 AM »
Quote from: rocket on December 13, 2007, 06:55:59 AM
The guy is a genetic freak.  Us mere mortals (particularly the unjuiced) will have to continue training smarter.
That's been my point all along.

Ronnie Coleman is not human.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2007, 08:04:10 AM »
Quote from: Triple-H_2005 on December 13, 2007, 08:02:24 AM
That's been my point all along.

Ronnie Coleman is not human.

Good to see you back posting by the way
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2007, 08:06:01 AM »
Quote from: mass 04 on December 13, 2007, 07:49:12 AM
you can't have an affective back workout with "strict" form

Effective; I bet you have great muscle genetics.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2007, 08:07:15 AM »
Quote from: Trapezkerl on December 13, 2007, 08:06:01 AM
Effective; I bet you have great muscle genetics.

 ::), we all can't be as intelligent as you.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2007, 08:10:11 AM »
Quote from: mass 04 on December 13, 2007, 08:07:15 AM
::), we all can't be as intelligent as you.

Did I make that claim? In any event I am fairly convinced you have good muscle genetics; congratulations.
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Re: I liked Coleman but how the hell did he achieve what he did with all the swing-
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2007, 08:12:09 AM »
Quote from: Trapezkerl on December 13, 2007, 08:10:11 AM
Did I make that claim? In any event I am fairly convinced you have good muscle genetics; congratulations.
you don't have to have great genetics to gain from loose form.
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