Deleted post?

[RDW]

I was wondering if the post about the insulin was deleted by a mod or by the creator.  If by a mod I'd ask that even the foolish posts like that don't get deleted because it allows others to see how foolish one can look if they don't pay attention.  Just my $0.02.

[jtsunami]

No one looked foolish, it was turned into a name calling thread and childish behavior. 

[trab]

Actually RDW put a lot of good info in that thread.
Profanity be damn'd... This Kid needs to screw his head on straight..
He shouldn't even use AAS IMO.

Seriously immature.

[busyB]

No one looked foolish, it was turned into a name calling thread and childish behavior. 

How can you say it was name calling and childish behavior? None of us called you any names. You recieved more info than most so if you were really, truely looking for help, you should have appriciated the knowledge you recieved. Shit, I learned a lot from just from what RDW and Overload posted.

You want name calling, check out the G&O or x,y,z boards man, very little if any here man. Even though I can be a smart ass, I respect solid knowledge and these guys know their shit!

[Arnold jr]

I deleted it.

Any time someone who is a regular contributor to the board ask to have one of their threads removed, I go ahead and do it...so if a regular getbig hardcore guy, and not one of the rare trolls we get on our section, I'll remove it if they ask.

RDW & Overload, if you guys want to start another thread concerning slin, by all means go ahead and post some info.

[RDW]

I deleted it.

Any time someone who is a regular contributor to the board ask to have one of their threads removed, I go ahead and do it...so if a regular getbig hardcore guy, and not one of the rare trolls we get on our section, I'll remove it if they ask.

RDW & Overload, if you guys want to start another thread concerning slin, by all means go ahead and post some info.

Not a big deal, I just think sometimes those kinds of threads do help others out.

[trab]

I deleted it.

Any time someone who is a regular contributor to the board ask to have one of their threads removed, I go ahead and do it...so if a regular getbig hardcore guy, and not one of the rare trolls we get on our section, I'll remove it if they ask.

RDW & Overload, if you guys want to start another thread concerning slin, by all means go ahead and post some info.

If Jtsunami is the one referred to as "Regular contrib". He shouldn't be.  That was clearly displayed.
Not via language or how dealing w/ the rest of us, but thru immaturity so stubborn and ignorant that is clear he
shouldn't be messing w/ any performance enhancing drugs period.
Id love to know how old he is? 17? 18? 19? 20?  He Needs insulin to BB .... Right.........

Frankly I suspect a "Team Nasser" game. Actually I hope so for his safety. If hes truly that ignorant I'm very concerned.  And so were the rest of the posters.

Even AAS is not a game. They have profound effect on the body besides a "Look" for the person who selfadministers them.

This insulin thing is a major problem. When someone like RDW takes their valuable time to put a bunch of work into supplying
real good info it should have been saved.
But then, there is the Liability issue which Ron apparently has no concern over and I feel WILL bite him in the ass someday.
IMO the AAS board here (and some others) minimally NEED a accept/decline age firewall like any porn site has.

At least then, after a guy w/ medical school and real experience w/ insulin spoon feeds it in perfect detail and
someone still decides to ignore the facts - They were warned.
They (or mommy & Daddy ) will be suing GB for  role in their sons tragic death/disability.

A sticky Slin thread that is as much a warning should go up and be first gone over in fine detail for liability.
NOt a word written in the manner of "How to" or a directive. Thats your liability flashpoint.


Slin is the New age Deca & Dbol... THere is little good reliable info and the net is a terrible place to quickly click on
for suicide instructions.

Its ironic that spellcheck here keeps coming up with "SLain" for slin.

 

[Luv2Hurt]

If Jtsunami is the one referred to as "Regular contrib". He shouldn't be.  That was clearly displayed.
Not via language or how dealing w/ the rest of us, but thru immaturity so stubborn and ignorant that is clear he
shouldn't be messing w/ any performance enhancing drugs period.
Id love to know how old he is? 17? 18? 19? 20?  He Needs insulin to BB .... Right.........

Frankly I suspect a "Team Nasser" game. Actually I hope so for his safety. If hes truly that ignorant I'm very concerned.  And so were the rest of the posters.

Even AAS is not a game. They have profound effect on the body besides a "Look" for the person who selfadministers them.

This insulin thing is a major problem. When someone like RDW takes their valuable time to put a bunch of work into supplying
real good info it should have been saved.
But then, there is the Liability issue which Ron apparently has no concern over and I feel WILL bite him in the ass someday.
IMO the AAS board here (and some others) minimally NEED a accept/decline age firewall like any porn site has.

At least then, after a guy w/ medical school and real experience w/ insulin spoon feeds it in perfect detail and
someone still decides to ignore the facts - They were warned.
They (or mommy & Daddy ) will be suing GB for  role in their sons tragic death/disability.

A sticky Slin thread that is as much a warning should go up and be first gone over in fine detail for liability.
NOt a word written in the manner of "How to" or a directive. Thats your liability flashpoint.


Slin is the New age Deca & Dbol... THere is little good reliable info and the net is a terrible place to quickly click on
for suicide instructions.

Its ironic that spellcheck here keeps coming up with "SLain" for slin.

 

Nice post trab!

I missed the thread you guys are talking about.  From what I can gather maybe it turned into a name calling flame fest??  And there is no place for that here.  But it does sound like there was good info in the threads that would have helped some people?

I'm sure when the post got out of hand the moderator felt enough was enough, cause this site is full of that bickering nonsense and to see it here is the last thing we want.  So I applaud the mods here for the job they do keeping the excessive trolling, baiting and feuding out of this board.

I guess maybe if a mod has the time they could go through the thread and just delete the posts that are out of line?  I don't know how it works and what it would take to do that?  For all I know it could be a huge hassle.  AJ and Rim do a great job here and I can only bet its not easy to make everyone happy, but they do the best they can and I will say that is very damn good.  I know most if not all the regular contributors also feel the same way.

This is one of the stronger, closer knit, POSITIVE communities on this site and that is a rarity here.

[gtbro1]

If you're not a pro bber or somehow making your living from bb you are a fool to mess with insulin.

[busyB]

Nice post trab!

I missed the thread you guys are talking about.  From what I can gather maybe it turned into a name calling flame fest??  And there is no place for that here.  But it does sound like there was good info in the threads that would have helped some people?

I'm sure when the post got out of hand the moderator felt enough was enough, cause this site is full of that bickering nonsense and to see it here is the last thing we want.  So I applaud the mods here for the job they do keeping the excessive trolling, baiting and feuding out of this board.

I guess maybe if a mod has the time they could go through the thread and just delete the posts that are out of line?  I don't know how it works and what it would take to do that?  For all I know it could be a huge hassle.  AJ and Rim do a great job here and I can only bet its not easy to make everyone happy, but they do the best they can and I will say that is very damn good.  I know most if not all the regular contributors also feel the same way.

This is one of the stronger, closer knit, POSITIVE communities on this site and that is a rarity here.

He has to be a gimmick LUV. None of us were calling him names, he is just fucking with all of us in that post. Plus, he was the one calling us "pumkin heads", that really hurt my feelings 

trab, I thought in one of your posts that you asked him to be deleted? I am sure that is what AJ is talking about.

I agree that this is the best site to learn and actually have some maturity, even though I fuck around a bit. Keep up the good house keeping Rim and AJ!

[Luv2Hurt]

He has to be a gimmick LUV. None of us were calling him names, he is just fucking with all of us in that post. Plus, he was the one calling us "pumkin heads", that really hurt my feelings 

trab, I thought in one of your posts that you asked him to be deleted? I am sure that is what AJ is talking about.

I agree that this is the best site to learn and actually have some maturity, even though I fuck around a bit. Keep up the good house keeping Rim and AJ!

  That explains it.  Yeah my thoughts were if either Rim or AJ ever delete a post or thread there is reason to.  They have very good judgement.

[RDW]

The problem is that I don't think he was fucking with us, I think he seriously is going to try to take insulin without having any real knowledge.  Normally I would never divulge information sent to me in a PM, but in this case I will.  After the post was deleted he sent me this:

"Hey I see you know your stuff.  Could you help me out here.  I broke down and got a dextrose or what they told me what dextrose carb drink at vitamine shoppe.  Here is a link to what it is, http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/carbo.html 
 
Is that ok for after humalog inject, would a serving of that equal 47g dextrose? 

Thanks




To which I replied:

"No, it will not do.

Again, as I said in all of my posts you need to understand the difference between mono, di, and poly saccharides.  That suppliment is primarily polysaccharides, it has no dextrose.  Dextrose is simple sugar, juices for instance.  Applejuice, grapejuice etc.  You are not listening to what anyone is saying you just want someone to tell you exactly what to do, that is a path that will lead to major problems.  You really need to take a step back and learn a lot before messing with insulin.  If you haven't been taking AAS for 5+ years with many cycles and a lot of experience under your belt you shouldn't even be considering it.  I will be amazed if you don't end up in a hospital, you don't seem to understand the seriousness of insulin."

He clearly doesn't want to learn anything, only to be spoon fed.  In the original thread I made about 5 posts outlining what he needed to learn and gave him good links to read. 

[busyB]

The problem is that I don't think he was fucking with us, I think he seriously is going to try to take insulin without having any real knowledge.  Normally I would never divulge information sent to me in a PM, but in this case I will.  After the post was deleted he sent me this:

"Hey I see you know your stuff.  Could you help me out here.  I broke down and got a dextrose or what they told me what dextrose carb drink at vitamine shoppe.  Here is a link to what it is, http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/carbo.html 
 
Is that ok for after humalog inject, would a serving of that equal 47g dextrose? 

Thanks




To which I replied:

"No, it will not do.

Again, as I said in all of my posts you need to understand the difference between mono, di, and poly saccharides.  That suppliment is primarily polysaccharides, it has no dextrose.  Dextrose is simple sugar, juices for instance.  Applejuice, grapejuice etc.  You are not listening to what anyone is saying you just want someone to tell you exactly what to do, that is a path that will lead to major problems.  You really need to take a step back and learn a lot before messing with insulin.  If you haven't been taking AAS for 5+ years with many cycles and a lot of experience under your belt you shouldn't even be considering it.  I will be amazed if you don't end up in a hospital, you don't seem to understand the seriousness of insulin."

He clearly doesn't want to learn anything, only to be spoon fed.  In the original thread I made about 5 posts outlining what he needed to learn and gave him good links to read. 

Wow, brutal employee at Vitamin Shoppe. Does not know the difference from Maltodextin to Dextrose? I guess he was serious, that shocks me by the way he was acting.

I was bummed that the last post you made got deleted, the wikeia (sp?) definitions. Can you give the names of what you wanted him to read up, no need for the links, so I can brush up as well?

Honestly, I have been talking a lot with friends who have done slin and reading, researching on my own. You have been the biggest help so far and I am taking my time with bringing it in until I feel I have the knowledge needed to do it right and not wind up in a coma!! Hey, when you want to do national level, it is almost a must!

[jtsunami]

Yeah bad advice from the counter guy.  I am much older than 20 or 21.  AAS is not as dangerous as some of you make it out to be, you want it to seem very dangerous for some reason like you are doing something bad, it is very safe. 

Anyway I finally got the answer that juices are a good form of dextrose as in food instead of eating the dextrose raw.  That is all I wanted to know.  I will keep everyone updated on how the slin experience goes.  I will start off with 5iu and use the juice for 50g of dextrose equiv.  I will also have somebody with me the whole time, I am not just going willy nilly like some of you might think.  Anyhow goodnight.

jt

[gtbro1]

Again, as I said in all of my posts you need to understand the difference between mono, di, and poly saccharides.  That suppliment is primarily polysaccharides, it has no dextrose.  Dextrose is simple sugar, juices for instance.  Applejuice, grapejuice etc. 

I thought that most juices were fructose rather than dextrose? I wouldn't argue over it with someone who really knows, but that was always my understanding...It was always the basis of advertising for celltech( I know I know can't believe everythingin advertising ) but they always made it a point to push celltech or other pwo drinks  rather than creatine mixed with juice because cell tech had dextrose and grapejuice was fructose. Am I mistaken?

[Luv2Hurt]

I always thought that waxy maize was a good choice for slin carbing?

[busyB]

I always thought that waxy maize was a good choice for slin carbing?

I did too and know guys that used Maltodextrin as well. But RDW is saying to get more mono sugar forms

JT, juice is fructose, not dextrose bro. Fructose digest slower than dextrose. I feel you are better off with the matodextrin powder you bought over fruit juice...

[RDW]

The "standard" safer way is to take simple sugars that breakdown fast with the slin to counteract the onset of hypoglycemia with fast acting insulins like Humalog, then eat a normal meal. 

The ideal way is to eat more complex carbs just prior to workout then take fewer simple sugars with your insulin after, and eat a normal meal at the same time.  The goal is to limit the simple sugars post workout as they will lead to adipocytes and create the "slin gut".  This way requires a lot more attention and blood checking, but will give the best results.

It really doesn't matter how you do it so long as you understand the basics, and that is - Insulin lowers blood sugar, if it gets too low - bad things happen, keep it maintained between 70 and 150 mg/dL.  Everyone's body reacts differently and metabolisms are not created equal.  That is why I rarely ever tell someone what to do or what to take, I explain to them what drugs do and allow them to use that knowledge to make a decisions for themselves.  That and the fact that I don't feel like getting sued. 

[Overload]

I've been gone a few days and didn't see what happen. Whatever the mods did is fine with me.

[trab]

He has to be a gimmick LUV. None of us were calling him names, he is just fucking with all of us in that post. Plus, he was the one calling us "pumkin heads", that really hurt my feelings 

trab, I thought in one of your posts that you asked him to be deleted? I am sure that is what AJ is talking about.

I agree that this is the best site to learn and actually have some maturity, even though I fuck around a bit. Keep up the good house keeping Rim and AJ!

I dont recall, but it built up to a lot of good info from RDW and a profound level of stupidity/immaturity from Jtsunami.
He still has no Biz screwing w/ the stuff. ANyone who dont know that all carbs are not created equal
(or that nuts are not a significant carb source  ) should not mess w/ insulin.

RDW's   "You need to Wake the Fuck up".....  and   "Get used to the taste of your yogurt, hope you like it, its very similar to what they will be putting in your feeding tubes when your in a coma..."
are a couple of the best things Ive ever read here.

This is not like... "Oh Bro,,,, I got some cystic acne on my back".  Or "Gee, I think my hair is falling out kind of fast".
Or..... "Hey, is it normal to get up and pee several times a night?"

No.. No.. No.... We talkin' DEAD ON ARIVAL IF YOUR LUCKY!!!
Hey, there's shit worse than death and hes asking for it with his attitude.

Ever see someone  on a ventilator? I have.
RDW knows the drill to. It ain't pretty.
Smarten up is in order for this kid.

[jtsunami]

Trab its nice to see you have the christmas spirit in you, wishing someone well eating yogurt out of a tube in a coma, wtf is wrong with you, read the bible and accept yourself, you seem to have a lot of hate brewing in you maybe you hate yourself, idk but chill.

jt

[trab]

Trab its nice to see you have the christmas spirit in you, wishing someone well eating yogurt out of a tube in a coma, wtf is wrong with you, read the bible and accept yourself, you seem to have a lot of hate brewing in you maybe you hate yourself, idk but chill.

jt

You know damn well what RDW wrote re: Feeding tubes and yogurt.
You need to "Wake the Fuck up" was also damn straight advice. That was deleted to.

Dont play games here. The smart money knows what RDW wrote there. You look like even more of a clown. Grow up and dont go off with just enough knowledge to be dangerous. That will not do in this little experiment.
 Furthermore, I dont think you've come near exhausting your ability to benefit from much safer stuff than slin.
Your nutritional knowledge is even seriously lacking.

If you want a pat on the back and told its all ok, you ain't gettin it from me.
Good luck, you need it.

[jtsunami]

pumpkin head you are

[Van_Bilderass]

I did too and know guys that used Maltodextrin as well. But RDW is saying to get more mono sugar forms

JT, juice is fructose, not dextrose bro. Fructose digest slower than dextrose. I feel you are better off with the matodextrin powder you bought over fruit juice...

Well, grape juice contains glucose (ie dextrose, I think at least 50% of the carbs are glucose but I'll have to check) as do other juices. In fact, orange juice is recommended to diabetics in cases of hypoglycemic episode. But you're right that fructose is not something you can substitute for dextrose when taking insulin and it's not just the speed of absorption.

I feel maltodextrin is preferable to dextrose when using insulin.  It's faster (a bit higher GI) and is easier on the stomach in high amounts. Waxy maize is probably better still, for the same reasons.