Author Topic: Gh15 was right about creatine (Read 15248 times)

Fulgorre · « **on:** December 25, 2007, 05:11:34 AM »

One of the few times I really doubted if GH15 was really a pro was when he stated creatine was not very effective. Being a big creatine user (EAS brand of course

I thought this stuff was really adding something to my lifts esp when I was "hormonized".

Three weeks ago I stopped taking creatine and instead started eating more calories as clean as I could. Well, I'm stronger than ever. In fact, yesterday I did bench after being sick with a very minor cold and added about 10 lbs to my lifts on bench and incline.

Sorry I doubted Gh15 haha! You were right and I was dead sure you were wrong about this one!

The Squadfather · « **Reply #1 on:** December 25, 2007, 06:03:31 AM »

depends on the person, it works pretty well for me but i use a good brand.

Your MAAAAaaaa · « **Reply #2 on:** December 25, 2007, 06:06:12 AM »

Creatine does fuck all, the sooner people realise the better

ta ta

shiftedShapes · « **Reply #3 on:** December 25, 2007, 06:54:26 AM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on December 25, 2007, 06:03:31 AM

depends on the person, it works pretty well for me but i use a good brand.

for all your skepticism about claimed lifts you seem to be completely credulous when it comes to the claims of supplement hucksters.

BRUTAL BLIND SPOT

BFP · « **Reply #4 on:** December 25, 2007, 07:14:24 AM »

Quote from: Your MAAAAaaaa on December 25, 2007, 06:06:12 AM

Creatine does fuck all, the sooner people realise the better

ta ta

You're an idiot.

Jason

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #5 on:** December 25, 2007, 07:21:07 AM »

Only supplement that really works for me. Cheap and worth the money.

240 is Back · « **Reply #6 on:** December 25, 2007, 07:37:15 AM »

i don't know how effective creatine is... but on an unrelated note... i went from zero whey shakes a day to 3 whey shakes a day, and changed nothing else, for one week. And my number of reps max bench press with 185 increased by 4 in a single week. I'm not going to share the exact rep numbers, as I am pathetically weak at the moment and weighing only 175 and will be self pwning myself. But the fact that I was able to add 4 reps after being stagnant on the 185-lb rep maxout for months was highly highly encouraging.

I know you don't need 500 grams a day. But 300? I think I might.

danielson · « **Reply #7 on:** December 25, 2007, 07:39:17 AM »

Creatine works for me, that is one thing I am positive about.

Meso_z · « **Reply #8 on:** December 25, 2007, 07:53:27 AM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on December 25, 2007, 06:03:31 AM

depends on the person, it works pretty well for me but i use a good brand.

What do you mean by "good brand"

? you sound like these guys who actually believe what mags write in ads..........just take some creapure straight from Germany.

The Squadfather · « **Reply #9 on:** December 25, 2007, 07:58:34 AM »

i use AST's creatine and it works well for me, very inexpensive as well.

SF1900 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 25, 2007, 08:28:12 AM »

Has anyone ever used "Creatine edge effervescent" by FSI?

It has worked well for me!

shiftedShapes · « **Reply #11 on:** December 25, 2007, 08:52:32 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on December 25, 2007, 07:37:15 AM

I know you don't need 500 grams a day. But 300? I think I might.

Sure it's very likely that your body can make use of 5 times the USDA of protein.

240 is Back · « **Reply #12 on:** December 25, 2007, 09:47:45 AM »

Quote from: shiftedShapes on December 25, 2007, 08:52:32 AM

Sure it's very likely that your body can make use of 5 times the USDA of protein.

well, i was probably averging 80 grams per day, eating like shit.
the US RDA for my size is 75 I think. And i'm sure it was enough for HEALTH purposes.
But my number for muscle strength, recovery, glycogen/water levels, etc etc etc, must lie somewhere between 81 and 300 grams. Yeah, I"m on the high end with 300 grams, but shit, I added 4 reps in a week. I have been stuck at one number (high teens) since summertime, and suddenly I just don't stop and can do 4 more? Whatever I was lacking in recovery or calories or whatever, I seemed to have fixed it.

Emmortal · « **Reply #13 on:** December 25, 2007, 10:51:36 AM »

Quote from: shiftedShapes on December 25, 2007, 08:52:32 AM

Sure it's very likely that your body can make use of 5 times the USDA of protein.

USDA means jack shit for bodybuilders. It's for fat ass couch potatoes, that's it. It means absolutely fuck all for people who weight train or are athletes. You would know that if you had even a basic understanding of nutrition, which you obviously do not.

candidizzle · « **Reply #14 on:** December 25, 2007, 12:48:44 PM »

what does your diet inlcude on a daily basis ("started eating more calories as clean as I could") ? and how many calories...how many meals per day?

...im not baiting you into an argument or anything...just interested

shiftedShapes · « **Reply #15 on:** December 25, 2007, 05:38:30 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on December 25, 2007, 10:51:36 AM

USDA means jack shit for bodybuilders. It's for fat ass couch potatoes, that's it. It means absolutely fuck all for people who weight train or are athletes. You would know that if you had even a basic understanding of nutrition, which you obviously do not.

Yes I should probably read more supplement company literature to learn about protein metabolism like you right? And to think all this time I've been basing my diet around the scientific consensus. How stupid.

claymore · « **Reply #16 on:** December 26, 2007, 11:15:57 AM »

Jarrow brand

Emmortal · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2007, 03:29:46 PM »

Quote from: shiftedShapes on December 25, 2007, 05:38:30 PM

Yes I should probably read more supplement company literature to learn about protein metabolism like you right? And to think all this time I've been basing my diet around the scientific consensus. How stupid.

Show me scientific consensus that proves that the USDA listed amount for daily protein intake is adequate for resistence trained athletes and bodybuilders.

I won't hold my breath.

busyB · « **Reply #18 on:** December 28, 2007, 07:15:49 AM »

Quote from: Emmortal on December 27, 2007, 03:29:46 PM

Show me scientific consensus that proves that the USDA listed amount for daily protein intake is adequate for resistence trained athletes and bodybuilders.

I won't hold my breath.

Can't, just like there is no proof that high protein diets are harmful. RDA for Protein is a joke and most RDA listings are set to prevent disease. Take an active indiviudal and those demands change quite a bit.

cht868 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 01, 2008, 08:21:02 AM »

creatine is a steroid

busyB · « **Reply #20 on:** January 01, 2008, 12:45:28 PM »

Quote from: cht868 on January 01, 2008, 08:21:02 AM

creatine is a steroid

And you are an idiot. Do some research before posting a stupid comment like that.

Emmortal · « **Reply #21 on:** January 01, 2008, 01:36:36 PM »

What's with all these fucking gimmicks and idiots lately? I swear, every time of year the fucking loonys come out of the woodwork.

webcake · « **Reply #22 on:** January 01, 2008, 03:27:55 PM »

Haven't taken it for probably close to 6 months now. Never really noticed a difference when i was on it, other than after a week of loading i was holding more water. As far as strength goes, no real improvements. When its time to bulk up again, ill probably start taking it again.

g101 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 01, 2008, 03:51:36 PM »

Creatine = water retention nothing else

Necrosis · « **Reply #24 on:** January 01, 2008, 05:14:34 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on December 27, 2007, 03:29:46 PM

Show me scientific consensus that proves that the USDA listed amount for daily protein intake is adequate for resistence trained athletes and bodybuilders.

I won't hold my breath.

there are a bunch of articles on pubmed showing that trained athletes require normal to high normal amounts of protein. why dont you do the research yourself and learn about it, not being condescending but everyone seems to beleive the myth that 1 gram per pound etc.. which is brotelligence.