yea b for my preworkout im doin 27 grams of whey isolate with 5 grams of BCAA and sometimes a scoop of instant coffee just for a little pick up and taste, then during is water with 5 grams of bcaa, then post is 54 grams half whey half casein and 40 grams of waxy then about half hour later grilled chicken or tuna or steak dirty rice and veggies, then before bed 27 grams of casein....and thank you for the advice on trying the isolate it is a world of difference no bloat no gas, my wife is also thankful..hahaha...no more dutch ovens...hahaha....