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Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« on: January 01, 2008, 09:51:29 AM »
Is it a big deal to switch from Adex to Letro mid cycle?  I could get more Adex prescribed or I can just use the Letro that I have.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2008, 10:19:55 AM »
No, not a big deal.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 12:57:10 PM »
What should my initial dose of Letro be?  2.5 mg then taper down to .25?  I had both mammary glands removed and I am probably just being paranoid, but my left side still seems a little sore after about 3 weeks.  I just want to use the letro to finish my cycle - JUST IN CASE - the doctor missed some glandular tissue.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 01:04:14 PM »
What should my initial dose of Letro be?  2.5 mg then taper down to .25?  I had both mammary glands removed and I am probably just being paranoid, but my left side still seems a little sore after about 3 weeks.  I just want to use the letro to finish my cycle - JUST IN CASE - the doctor missed some glandular tissue.

That is what I did but I still have glands  :)

My "lump" went away after a couple weeks and I started to tape it down. Not sure if you even would need 2.5 mg, that is pretty strong.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 01:41:58 PM »
what was your dose on the adex? Remember 1mg adex will bring your estrogen levels down to a healthy normal unless your body converts at a higher rate. You will want an equivalent dose of letro for the same result. If you start with 2.5 I personally would stay with that dose.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 01:52:45 PM »
I definitely convert at a high rate.  So, I was taking .75 mg of Adex per day.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2008, 07:17:17 PM »
I'm not a big fan of trying to switch them.  If you absolutely have to then you have no choice but if you can avoid it do.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2008, 07:53:51 PM »
They not going to take away gyno that well, talked to my endo about this, they might take some of the tingle away but that is all, if you are looking to take water away that could work well.  I have had hair thinning while on letro though, so I would stay away from it.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2008, 05:24:51 AM »
They not going to take away gyno that well, talked to my endo about this, they might take some of the tingle away but that is all, if you are looking to take water away that could work well.  I have had hair thinning while on letro though, so I would stay away from it.

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Ive talked to 2 endo Drs.  Both know less than zero about any AAS issue.
Nolva & or A'dex or newer generation of these drugs are ESSENTIAL to have readily on hand for any AAS user.

No Biz even starting a cycle if a guy dont have ready access to them.

They will do a LOT more than just stop a tingle. They will stop and regress a lump formation right in its tracks.

YOur Dr has never supervised anyone he's administered > about 100mg of TE ew. He is clueless as to the real world use of AAS by athletes.

YOu tell him your taking 500-1000mg of Testo and other AAS on top of it?
How did he respond?  ;D

He wont want any F'ing part of the liability of you. His remarks about A'i are about using tiny little dose of gell or
a shot so small you could use a slin needle. And possibly only every 2 weeks.

Anyone even using 200mg of TE NEEDs Nolva at least on hand.



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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2008, 06:14:45 AM »

Anyone even using 200mg of TE NEEDs Nolva at least on hand.


I can vouch for this.  Without AIs or AEs, I would suffer from gyno on even the smallest doses - 200 mg - of test (before I had my glands removed).

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2008, 06:40:35 AM »
They not going to take away gyno that well, talked to my endo about this, they might take some of the tingle away but that is all, if you are looking to take water away that could work well.  I have had hair thinning while on letro though, so I would stay away from it.

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May not take it away permanently but I can vouch that letro shrunk my lump to nothing...

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2008, 06:42:20 AM »
I don't use AI's anymore so I guess I am partial to them, I have my gyno removed.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2008, 06:44:49 AM »
I don't know maybe he doesn't.  He has said he tried Nolva on people and it doesn't do much if at all for taking away gyno soreness.  Anyhow he does know what I do, but he thinks I am nuts, and maybe I am, but hey I like bodybuilding. 

Trab did you ever notice letro causing hair thinning while on it, my head sheds bad while on it.
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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2008, 07:48:36 AM »
I don't know maybe he doesn't.  He has said he tried Nolva on people and it doesn't do much if at all for taking away gyno soreness.  Anyhow he does know what I do, but he thinks I am nuts, and maybe I am, but hey I like bodybuilding. 

Trab did you ever notice letro causing hair thinning while on it, my head sheds bad while on it.

Ive not used Letro, and teh talk about knockin' out sexdrive and some of the rebound horrors (Brown nipple discharge)
Make me stay w/ old cheap Nolva. A'dex makes my guts feel funny... and HG adex is also ungodly spendy.

Im not sold on the "Research" chemicals. Although AG's cialis sure seems to be the real deal to me, I just dont see how they can sell these cutting edge chems like letro at a price likt that  ???
I'd bet its Nolva  ;)  But the rebound stories would lead to believe otherwise.
Im not into wondering about WTF Im puttin into my body. Either I know WTF it is and the dose or Im not taking it.

Ive got some gyno from puberty.. Small lump each side, nothing worth surgery..
Times I can get away w/ a giant run of ANdrogen for long spell, 'times I cant.
Ive got sudden outright PAIN & noticeable swelling from a big androgen load, and 60mg of nolva is what it takes to knock it dead in its tracks. I make gradual reduction from that.

I allways tapper off the Nolva a little at the end also.

The body is Low testo then (Post cycle) and vulnerable to sudden changes in reduction/ withdrawl of estro blockers or inhibiters.
Rapidly dropping testo levels are more problems than rising for me.

BTW, your slin dose mistakes are at the upper level or what Borrenson mentiond about the most absurdly
drug tollerant freak hes ever seen. And He was regarded as tottaly nuts by many.
Major warnings printed even in the mention of the guys use of that range of slin.
Just because you didnt "Hurt" dont mean things cant go downhill fast.

Have you ever seen a good friend Die? I have, it sticks with you.
Never forget the F'ing sounds and sights of a best friend on a ventilator and all his family freaking out.
Its pretty awfull. (No, he never even used steriods or slin)

All the bullshit heaped on the dangers of steroids is way overblown, but your messin w/ somthing w/ a lot more variables with your blood sugar there.

Just because you were fine one time dont mean it wont bite you by surprise.
Get a meter and learn WTF YOUR body is doing like RDW and Vet have repeated.
Dude, we dont want you to die or end up a heap.

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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2008, 03:31:36 PM »
I have never had brown nipple discharge wtf lol, that would be nuts, but any AI or anti-e makes me feel different I guess you would say and I don't like the feeling. 

I guess they get their powders from some forgein country really cheap and just put them in base of alcohol or whatever they use to dilute it, it isn't quality by any means I believe. 

Hmm, I don't know the money you end up spending on nolva in the long run, or surgery for 4 - 5 k and never have to worry about it again is great.  Blau does magician like work, he does cut breaks too if you don't have a lot of money, great guy. 

I didn't quit get what you were saying here : "BTW, your slin dose mistakes are at the upper level or what Borrenson mentiond about the most absurdly
drug tollerant freak hes ever seen. And He was regarded as tottaly nuts by many.
Major warnings printed even in the mention of the guys use of that range of slin.
Just because you didnt "Hurt" dont mean things cant go downhill fast."

Who is Borrenson?  I only did it two days by accident and am not going to do it again on purpose that would be nuts on my part.  But I am prolly going to give the 1 month on 1 month off try at around 10iu or so. 

No I haven't, and I don't want to. 



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Re: Switching AI's Mid Cycle
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2008, 10:10:12 AM »
Nipple discharge can happen. I have never had it happen, but I know guys it has happened to when using decca, and tren. I also agree with Luv on not switching if you dont have to. If you do have to, changing drugs is better than not using anything especially for those that need it. ABC123 if your only using .75 of adex and it is keeping things at bay I would say you convert pretty normal. 1mg ed will bring estrogen levels down to normal on 500mg EW test only. If your test dose is higher and your getting away with .75mg ED, your body converts normal or your just not as sensitive to estrogen as some.