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« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2008, 11:24:53 PM »
gh15,

I have a special question, requiring your insight behind the scenes:
Ron Coleman put on more than 10 kg within 1 year - 99-2000 or 00-01 - after already doing the usual excessive AAS-Insulin-GH cocktail for more than a decade. How the hell is this possible? He couldn't just have increased the dosage. No other pro at that level  had a similar development within just one year...Genetic Doping?

higher doses of hgh and insulin ,,higher doses of throyd med,,higher doses of drugs in general ,,,and more frquent use of duretics exactly what heath is doing now but heath is only arms
igf-1 became avilable and ronnie broke his pleatue

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« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2008, 11:42:52 PM »
LMAO @ bible.. Ok Arnold wannabe ::) ... your words are 40% true, 60% bullshit, im only using myself as an example, you can be 6'2 235lbs at 10%, it doesnt need steroids or anything, hence im 6'2 and weigh the same as a PRO bodybuilder of 5'8 height....  here is a video of me:
youtube.com/watch?v=QFen503IbHo
yeah yeah i know im showing off blah blah... but gh15, i wont even get into the size of my arms ( just out of curiosity, how big do you think they are, i wanna see if u know ur shit or not), but arms like that can be built without synthols, deca or whatever the hell it is people take , i agree it takes dedication, i wont get into the years and years of playing football and wrestling, as far as bodybuilding goes, i started working out with a bodybuilders mentality 3 yrs ago, and this is the result..

again i agree with you about taking time, and years of training, but its totally attainable without steroids, the difference between naturals and juicers is that when its fucking snowing a ft outside, juicers can afford to take the day off, hell have a cheat meal too while there at it, but naturals HAVE TO get their asses in the gym that day, and on top of that do a half hour of cardio too...

i dont know if you read MD, there was an article in the last issue NATURAL BODYBUILDING 101... go read that... its not easy, but its doable...

and the fucked up index you have (7lbs / inch) is fvkin bullshit, it reminds me of the doctors BMI which according to that, every single athlete is obese....

its also very wel lpossible that you were an IFBB pro, because u have the same mentality that BODYBUILDING IS ONLY ATTAINABLE VIA STEROIDS AND HGH... whatever happened to discipline and working hard at the gym? Intensity doesnt mean upping your dosage, remember that...

Excellent post.
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« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2008, 12:02:12 AM »
GH15 - Im back on and can't believe the crap you spill and state as fact !!! Im 38 years of age and have been bodybuilding since I was 15 when I was a typical 160 Pounder with a usual teenagers bodyfat. Unlike guys like you who can't be bothered to work hard in the gym to build muscle, Ive been training hard and eating clean ever since and have built approx' 30 pounds of muscle. Thats less than a pound a year and you think thats not possible naturally??!! Im guessing at my bodyfat levels as frankly I couldn't care less, I may be 4-5% out, BUT my point is that I look like a bodybuilder and have built a lot of muscle over the years NATURALLY.

IF you are so knowledgable - Start giving advice on the training and eating that are likely to give the young guys on here some muscle like real PROFESSIONALS do. I suspect that you are not "qualified" to do so ...

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« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2008, 12:06:12 AM »
look guys I was with GH15 last week and this guy is something else.
Other than a pro bodybuilder, yeh, we know.

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« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2008, 12:50:35 AM »
Trev: You first claim you are 5 11, 208lbs and around 6-7% bf, now suddenly you "may" be 4-5% off!? That makes you 10-12% bf which seems much more attainable as a natural.

GH15 never said that you could'nt put on muscle as a natural, he's just calling BS on all the over the top claims of people's low bodyfat and extreme muscularity without the use of AS.

 


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« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2008, 01:51:45 AM »
As for the claim that you can't be over 200Lbs 5'10" at 8% and natural...for the most part, I'd agree, probably 99% of the time. But there is that 1% that this does not applie too...and I've got 2 good examples.

1st one, Brandon Curry...when he first started competing he was completely natural, this I know for fact...and he's no where close to 5'10" more like 5'7" and stayed over 200lbs and never over 7-8% year round. The guy didn't even really diet for his first show...decided to do it 4wks out and just sort of cleaned up a little bit. As for what he does now, I can't say because I have not been privy to this info.

Next example. He's not known like Brandon...he's just a guy I've trained with for several years. He has been natural up until 6 or so months ago...this I know for fact because we are very good friends. Last off season he bulked up to right at 250Lbs, he stands 5'10" exactly. He dietied down, naturally, down to just slightly under 5% and weighed 214lbs...I'm not sure what his BF% was at 250lbs...it was not high at all though...you could still see his abs.

Point being, these guys are out there...although they are in a very, very small minority...odds are, there is not one single guy on getbig who could fit this mold IMO...it's too rare.

BTW, they 2nd guy I talked about...I guarantee you all will be hearing about this guy in the BB world before too long. He's young and has some of the best genetics on the planet...this is fact. He stands at about 265 right now and is not a shred above 8%...give this guy another year and he will be a force.

the ones you describe are been in bodybuilding for logn enough time to know that nothing is growing   without hormones especially past age 25 where your own hormones go into poopoo land and you need syntetics to achieve any real muscle building,,,,genetics has nothing to do with bodybuilding ,,bodybuilders are not tall in most cases and our genetic sucks when it comes to be ing compared to a truly genetically blessed guy like the wady fella or coupe ithers i have seen on this board,,bodybulders have GOOD GENETIC REPSPOND TO HORMONES AND THATS IT,,our body has the ability ,,uniqe ability to be able to take and absorb drugs to an above average extent unlike many that dont become top amatuers or professionals,,,it all has to do with hormone tolerance,,and anyone who ever been anything is and was on hormones including yuor 2 buds ,,wether its little green pills or blue pills or m1t or sdi they all been on something ,,, let me tell you a little secret friend,,a comany liek ids usa been for years pushing  real low dose aas as supplements to bunch of loonateeks around the world,,no one say nothing no one cares the fda cant do shit about it because it has too much on tis hands,,
bodybuilding now days is all drugs ,,ALL DRUGS
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« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2008, 02:00:31 AM »
GH15 - Im back on and can't believe the crap you spill and state as fact !!! Im 38 years of age and have been bodybuilding since I was 15 when I was a typical 160 Pounder with a usual teenagers bodyfat. Unlike guys like you who can't be bothered to work hard in the gym to build muscle, Ive been training hard and eating clean ever since and have built approx' 30 pounds of muscle. Thats less than a pound a year and you think thats not possible naturally??!! Im guessing at my bodyfat levels as frankly I couldn't care less, I may be 4-5% out, BUT my point is that I look like a bodybuilder and have built a lot of muscle over the years NATURALLY.

IF you are so knowledgable - Start giving advice on the training and eating that are likely to give the young guys on here some muscle like real PROFESSIONALS do. I suspect that you are not "qualified" to do so ...
1. you dont look like a bodybuilder you look like a chubb chub
2. hormone users in most cases work a lot harder than naturals ,,but today there are no naturals ,,im talking about 1960s where hormone users worked hell of a lot harder than naturals
3. you may have gained 30lb of muscle mass and it has nothing to do with anything,,
4. the fact that you say yourself you can be 5% off estimation shows how little your knowledge of actual natural numbers is limited,,naturals dont see under 10% ,,most naturals dont even se 10%
5.i gave training advice when asked ,,nutrition doesnt matter since waxy maize and vitargo werent there in niece bottle during the 70s and bodybuilders had better developed muscle and also were bigger when ti came to true muscle,,nutrition is basics  that you need to learn during your bodybuilding from trial and error
6. get out of lala land and back to reality man up look in the mirror and say hormones is muscle and muscle is hormones,,natural = jack tripper,,you know who jack tripper was? go take a look at him in 3s company thats what natural look like ,,can look amore toned but it stops right there friend
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« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2008, 02:10:31 AM »
The whole point is that IF you are involved in the sport at a pro level you should be telling all on here that they stand more chance of winning the lottery, than making a decent sustainable living from Bodybuilding and therefore they should leave the drugs alone. As Ive said, most guys can build ENOUGH muscle to obviously be bodybuilders in the public's eyes without any drugs or hormones. 99% of guys who get into bodybuilding don't want any more than that. As teenagers most of us had pipe dreams of becoming pro's, but took the advice of the pros at the time and stayed clean to see how far we could go without drugs. I was happy with my growth after 6 months of training and by the time I was 180 pounds and in decent shape, I was mature enough to know that pro bodybuilding is for guys with no prospects who are prepared to risk there life for a shot at glory.

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« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2008, 02:16:45 AM »
1. you dont look like a bodybuilder you look like a chubb chub
2. hormone users in most cases work a lot harder than naturals ,,but today there are no naturals ,,im talking about 1960s where hormone users worked hell of a lot harder than naturals
3. you may have gained 30lb of muscle mass and it has nothing to do with anything,,
4. the fact that you say yourself you can be 5% off estimation shows how little your knowledge of actual natural numbers is limited,,naturals dont see under 10% ,,most naturals dont even se 10%
5.i gave training advice when asked ,,nutrition doesnt matter since waxy maize and vitargo werent there in niece bottle during the 70s and bodybuilders had better developed muscle and also were bigger when ti came to true muscle,,nutrition is basics  that you need to learn during your bodybuilding from trial and error
6. get out of lala land and back to reality man up look in the mirror and say hormones is muscle and muscle is hormones,,natural = jack tripper,,you know who jack tripper was? go take a look at him in 3s company thats what natural look like ,,can look amore toned but it stops right there friend

Further proof that you started drugging straight away and actually have no idea .... I guarantee you many, many guys and girls on here are way beyond this dude naturally.

Your day is done my friend, Your lack of blue stars proves this - you're just a (non competitive) product of the sad state of 21st century "Bodybuilding"

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« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2008, 02:23:03 AM »
friend relax,,that was in yuro american word exaguration,,you know what it means? it is when someone put a name femiliar to everyone,,,a very average body of average person ,,,as example for what natural lifter look likje,,although in reality natural lifters may look better or worse,,the example still stands,,jus relax and dont get no heart attack

secondly,,read the bible called gh15 posts and im sure you will find about 300 posts explaining why no blue starts needed or wanted here,,gh15 wouldnt take them even if payed to have them,,gh15 want to stay enigma if not gh15 would already have a tshirt line on the name gh15

in getbig words....hope this helps?

got to go to othe gym ,,hormonized bodybuilders need to train too you know ;)
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« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2008, 02:27:12 AM »
You training back today Nasser? ::)
No doubt about it...

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« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2008, 02:27:33 AM »
Trev: You first claim you are 5 11, 208lbs and around 6-7% bf, now suddenly you "may" be 4-5% off!? That makes you 10-12% bf which seems much more attainable as a natural.

GH15 never said that you could'nt put on muscle as a natural, he's just calling BS on all the over the top claims of people's low bodyfat and extreme muscularity without the use of AS.

 


Hi. Without hydrostatic weighing, bodyfat % is all guesswork. If you check pictures of Clarence Bass in Ripped 1 which show a 4% bodyfat difference, the appearance is hardly any different - 10% bodyfat is very low. The point is that GH15 has just stated that very slightly toned as per "Jack Ripper" is the best any natural can achieve, which is total bullshit.

Im at a loss as to why Ron doesn't shut this guy up  -  If just one guy starts juicing after reading GH15's posts as "fact from a pro" then Ron and the getbig team have a lot to answer to. They'll censor porn or insults to a pros wife, but not GH15's dangerous "facts" and "advice" ??!!!

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« Reply #63 on: January 16, 2008, 02:46:07 AM »
As for the claim that you can't be over 200Lbs 5'10" at 8% and natural...for the most part, I'd agree, probably 99% of the time. But there is that 1% that this does not applie too...and I've got 2 good examples.

1st one, Brandon Curry...when he first started competing he was completely natural, this I know for fact...and he's no where close to 5'10" more like 5'7" and stayed over 200lbs and never over 7-8% year round. The guy didn't even really diet for his first show...decided to do it 4wks out and just sort of cleaned up a little bit. As for what he does now, I can't say because I have not been privy to this info.

Next example. He's not known like Brandon...he's just a guy I've trained with for several years. He has been natural up until 6 or so months ago...this I know for fact because we are very good friends. Last off season he bulked up to right at 250Lbs, he stands 5'10" exactly. He dietied down, naturally, down to just slightly under 5% and weighed 214lbs...I'm not sure what his BF% was at 250lbs...it was not high at all though...you could still see his abs.

Point being, these guys are out there...although they are in a very, very small minority...odds are, there is not one single guy on getbig who could fit this mold IMO...it's too rare.

BTW, they 2nd guy I talked about...I guarantee you all will be hearing about this guy in the BB world before too long. He's young and has some of the best genetics on the planet...this is fact. He stands at about 265 right now and is not a shred above 8%...give this guy another year and he will be a force.


No offence, but I think you're way off on the bodyfat levels.

I hope you realize that most pro BB's compete at 3-5%. And most female pro BB's and pro fitness competitors compete at around 7-8%.

So for your pals (Brandon Curry and this other feller) to be at 8% when in offseason mode... ::)


BTW, anything below 3% is lethal, it's the fat tissue between the intestines, surrounding the brain et al that's burning then.
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Re: bunch answered -gh15
« Reply #64 on: January 16, 2008, 03:08:01 AM »
ok lets all agree on this that gh etc makes your whole body structure a certain way that cannot be gotten natrually

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« Reply #65 on: January 16, 2008, 03:48:33 AM »

No offence, but I think you're way off on the bodyfat levels.

I hope you realize that most pro BB's compete at 3-5%. And most female pro BB's and pro fitness competitors compete at around 7-8%.

So for your pals (Brandon Curry and this other feller) to be at 8% when in offseason mode... ::)


BTW, anything below 3% is lethal, it's the fat tissue between the intestines, surrounding the brain et al that's burning then.
Not strictly true matey - Below 1% is the lethal level of "Essential Fat"   Check www.cbass.com for all facts ..

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« Reply #66 on: January 16, 2008, 06:13:07 AM »
How old are you anyway, 15? You constant lack of any parental guidance is very apparent....

Is there something "pkaz" ?  ::)
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« Reply #67 on: January 16, 2008, 06:33:41 AM »

No offence, but I think you're way off on the bodyfat levels.

I hope you realize that most pro BB's compete at 3-5%. And most female pro BB's and pro fitness competitors compete at around 7-8%.

So for your pals (Brandon Curry and this other feller) to be at 8% when in offseason mode... ::)


BTW, anything below 3% is lethal, it's the fat tissue between the intestines, surrounding the brain et al that's burning then.
None taken...and you're right, that is extremely low BF for off season...it's ridiculous to say the least. But that's the main reason I picked Brandon for this example...simply because he is not the normal by any means when it comes to that. I don't doubt that people would have a hard time believing all this, no big deal...I guess you'd have to meet/see him in person in the off season to be convinced.


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« Reply #68 on: January 16, 2008, 11:05:01 AM »
the ones you describe are been in bodybuilding for logn enough time to know that nothing is growing   without hormones especially past age 25 where your own hormones go into poopoo land and you need syntetics to achieve any real muscle building,,,,genetics has nothing to do with bodybuilding ,,bodybuilders are not tall in most cases and our genetic sucks when it comes to be ing compared to a truly genetically blessed guy like the wady fella or coupe ithers i have seen on this board,,bodybulders have GOOD GENETIC REPSPOND TO HORMONES AND THATS IT,,our body has the ability ,,uniqe ability to be able to take and absorb drugs to an above average extent unlike many that dont become top amatuers or professionals,,,it all has to do with hormone tolerance,,and anyone who ever been anything is and was on hormones including yuor 2 buds ,,wether its little green pills or blue pills or m1t or sdi they all been on something ,,, let me tell you a little secret friend,,a comany liek ids usa been for years pushing  real low dose aas as supplements to bunch of loonateeks around the world,,no one say nothing no one cares the fda cant do shit about it because it has too much on tis hands,,
bodybuilding now days is all drugs ,,ALL DRUGS

gh15 claims that genetics has nothing to do with bodybuilding. That the rub is good genetic response to hormone and other performance enhancing compounds. OK, that makes sense. I've seen that all the time when I worked in a gym. But is it possible that someone can also have a good genetic response to weight training? That all else being equal some people just have a better genetic predisposition  to getting bigger and stronger than others. And there are some, and I've seen it on the public basketball court when I lived in a predominately Black neighborhood of Inglewood, Ca., that some are just born naturally more muscular than others. There was this kid when I was growing up in Hawaii, Okinawan Japanese, who at 16 yrs and 5'6" 165 lbs benched 455lbs (with a slight bridge) and did a full squat of over 500lbs. I first saw him when he was in 7th grade and he was already built like a bodybuilder. Abs, shoulders, arms, full chest. Even the PE teachers thought he was a freak. And this was in the early 1970's when we never even heard of drugs although we read the magazines. His family was dirt poor so even if his family did know about roids, and like I said we knew nothing about drugs let alone how to get them as teens, there was no way he could afford them let alone have access to them. I don't know what his bodyfat % was but he had clear sharp abs, you could see the full kite shape trap muscles from the back and he had a clearly defined tricep even when relaxed along with a split in his bicep. He dominated as a wrestler and a fullback. We all just considered him a genetic freak as far as strength and muscle development goes. He definitely looked like a bodybuilder even as a teen and everybody would tell he should be like one of those "muscle guys like Arnold." And this was drug free. 

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« Reply #69 on: January 16, 2008, 11:24:55 AM »
gh15 claims that genetics has nothing to do with bodybuilding. That the rub is good genetic response to hormone and other performance enhancing compounds. OK, that makes sense. I've seen that all the time when I worked in a gym. But is it possible that someone can also have a good genetic response to weight training? That all else being equal some people just have a better genetic predisposition  to getting bigger and stronger than others. And there are some, and I've seen it on the public basketball court when I lived in a predominately Black neighborhood of Inglewood, Ca., that some are just born naturally more muscular than others. There was this kid when I was growing up in Hawaii, Okinawan Japanese, who at 16 yrs and 5'6" 165 lbs benched 455lbs (with a slight bridge) and did a full squat of over 500lbs. I first saw him when he was in 7th grade and he was already built like a bodybuilder. Abs, shoulders, arms, full chest. Even the PE teachers thought he was a freak. And this was in the early 1970's when we never even heard of drugs although we read the magazines. His family was dirt poor so even if his family did know about roids, and like I said we knew nothing about drugs let alone how to get them as teens, there was no way he could afford them let alone have access to them. I don't know what his bodyfat % was but he had clear sharp abs, you could see the full kite shape trap muscles from the back and he had a clearly defined tricep even when relaxed along with a split in his bicep. He dominated as a wrestler and a fullback. We all just considered him a genetic freak as far as strength and muscle development goes. He definitely looked like a bodybuilder even as a teen and everybody would tell he should be like one of those "muscle guys like Arnold." And this was drug free. 

and wherei s this kido today? probably not the jap since the jap was nothing until introduced to heavy doses,,you never know whats going on between closed doors,,true some hawiaians are very very VERY strong as in 400lb bench presses but they are also fatzos with lots of bodyfat% ,,their over all muscle mass is big but also their bodyfat wether it is intra cel or sub,,that kid who did this and showed full abs developed and was cut didnt have to have a lot of money to buy anything,,,in the 70s everything was like candy in a walmart ,,you go you could even steal them,,there were no bar detectors,,even today you buy ampoules of testovis for $2 sell them for 12,,,remember what you see in american is guys making sometimes 10 times the profit on very cheap hormones,,,hormones are very cheap like candy,,,dianabol can cost couple cents per tablet ,,,in the 70s thee was no fake only legit pharma grade,,,that kid was on some good legit stuff as simple as that,,thats why i always say use human grade legit products,,in the 70s it didnt cost infact the pharmas tried to push it people,,there was no regulations no control for them if you came and got yourself 100 ampoules for $20 louzy dollars ,,you would get on their best client lists and they would send you home brochures on new products,,

its hawiai my friend,,,even the poor have little money,,it is no africa of the 70s where you had to really be natural because you didnt have bread on the table,,not pharmacies to do nothing ,,in america life were always good past the 30s ,,actually even in the 30s life was good in america

so yes people can be strong,,they can show lots of strength ,,but usually the strongest people look the smallest and have horrid muscle develoment mark my words
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« Reply #70 on: January 16, 2008, 11:34:03 AM »
As for the claim that you can't be over 200Lbs 5'10" at 8% and natural...for the most part, I'd agree, probably 99% of the time. But there is that 1% that this does not applie too...and I've got 2 good examples.

1st one, Brandon Curry...when he first started competing he was completely natural, this I know for fact...and he's no where close to 5'10" more like 5'7" and stayed over 200lbs and never over 7-8% year round. The guy didn't even really diet for his first show...decided to do it 4wks out and just sort of cleaned up a little bit. As for what he does now, I can't say because I have not been privy to this info.

Next example. He's not known like Brandon...he's just a guy I've trained with for several years. He has been natural up until 6 or so months ago...this I know for fact because we are very good friends. Last off season he bulked up to right at 250Lbs, he stands 5'10" exactly. He dietied down, naturally, down to just slightly under 5% and weighed 214lbs...I'm not sure what his BF% was at 250lbs...it was not high at all though...you could still see his abs.

Point being, these guys are out there...although they are in a very, very small minority...odds are, there is not one single guy on getbig who could fit this mold IMO...it's too rare.

BTW, they 2nd guy I talked about...I guarantee you all will be hearing about this guy in the BB world before too long. He's young and has some of the best genetics on the planet...this is fact. He stands at about 265 right now and is not a shred above 8%...give this guy another year and he will be a force.

blah blah

We're supposed to take your word for it?

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Re: bunch answered -gh15
« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2008, 01:04:39 PM »
and wherei s this kido today? probably not the jap since the jap was nothing until introduced to heavy doses,,you never know whats going on between closed doors,,true some hawiaians are very very VERY strong as in 400lb bench presses but they are also fatzos with lots of bodyfat% ,,their over all muscle mass is big but also their bodyfat wether it is intra cel or sub,,that kid who did this and showed full abs developed and was cut didnt have to have a lot of money to buy anything,,,in the 70s everything was like candy in a walmart ,,you go you could even steal them,,there were no bar detectors,,even today you buy ampoules of testovis for $2 sell them for 12,,,remember what you see in american is guys making sometimes 10 times the profit on very cheap hormones,,,hormones are very cheap like candy,,,dianabol can cost couple cents per tablet ,,,in the 70s thee was no fake only legit pharma grade,,,that kid was on some good legit stuff as simple as that,,thats why i always say use human grade legit products,,in the 70s it didnt cost infact the pharmas tried to push it people,,there was no regulations no control for them if you came and got yourself 100 ampoules for $20 louzy dollars ,,you would get on their best client lists and they would send you home brochures on new products,,

its hawiai my friend,,,even the poor have little money,,it is no africa of the 70s where you had to really be natural because you didnt have bread on the table,,not pharmacies to do nothing ,,in america life were always good past the 30s ,,actually even in the 30s life was good in america

so yes people can be strong,,they can show lots of strength ,,but usually the strongest people look the smallest and have horrid muscle develoment mark my words

I'm telling you gh, and I'm a fan of yours and took the time to read everyone of your post and always keep one tab open just for your latest comment, that we were just kids at the time and were very naive and uninformed. I was very involved in athletics and weight training and neither my friends or myself knew anything about gear. We never talked about it because we were just unaware. We thought Bruce Lee was huge. This guy I'm talking about looked like a bodybuilder in the 7th grade. How likely was it that a 12-13 year old had the access and funds to buy drugs? And you think their parents would buy it for them? It's not like kids today where a parent is require to buy you a car and all the latest electronics and name brand close. We were just islander hicks. And this kid was no fatty. Like I said 5'6" 165lb with clearly defined abs. And drugs were just not available to kids at that time even if we knew about it and we didn't have the money. I use to shop lift protein powder and powdered milk because I didn't have any money as a teen. I had to save for over a year to get a Sear's 110lb weight set. No way I could afford gear. And I didn't live in section 8 housing like this kid did. I ask him once what he got for Christmas and he said, with pride, a University of Hawaii Warriors T-shirt. A f-ing t-shirt and that was it! I doubt his parents would then get just him (he had four brothers who were also muscular but wasn't into training like he was) some d-bol, deca and test at 14 years old.

BTW, he went on to get a wrestling scholarship and went into business and is doing pretty well. Not everybody wants to parade out on stage oiled up in a thong and flex their muscles no matter how gifted they are. Genetics does matter. And some people never get muscular no matter what they do. Whether it's how they respond to anabolics or how they respond to resistance training. I think the freaks, like Coleman, have extraordinary response to both. He didn't get on his level on just drugs alone. Every one else was doing pretty much the same thing, i.e., training, nutrition, performance enhancing compounds, as he was, but nobody was at his level. Same with Arnold during his time. They were both blessed genetically in all aspect in regard to bodybuilding.

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« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2008, 01:49:16 PM »
I'm telling you gh, and I'm a fan of yours and took the time to read everyone of your post and always keep one tab open just for your latest comment, that we were just kids at the time and were very naive and uninformed. I was very involved in athletics and weight training and neither my friends or myself knew anything about gear. We never talked about it because we were just unaware. We thought Bruce Lee was huge. This guy I'm talking about looked like a bodybuilder in the 7th grade. How likely was it that a 12-13 year old had the access and funds to buy drugs? And you think their parents would buy it for them? It's not like kids today where a parent is require to buy you a car and all the latest electronics and name brand close. We were just islander hicks. And this kid was no fatty. Like I said 5'6" 165lb with clearly defined abs. And drugs were just not available to kids at that time even if we knew about it and we didn't have the money. I use to shop lift protein powder and powdered milk because I didn't have any money as a teen. I had to save for over a year to get a Sear's 110lb weight set. No way I could afford gear. And I didn't live in section 8 housing like this kid did. I ask him once what he got for Christmas and he said, with pride, a University of Hawaii Warriors T-shirt. A f-ing t-shirt and that was it! I doubt his parents would then get just him (he had four brothers who were also muscular but wasn't into training like he was) some d-bol, deca and test at 14 years old.

BTW, he went on to get a wrestling scholarship and went into business and is doing pretty well. Not everybody wants to parade out on stage oiled up in a thong and flex their muscles no matter how gifted they are. Genetics does matter. And some people never get muscular no matter what they do. Whether it's how they respond to anabolics or how they respond to resistance training. I think the freaks, like Coleman, have extraordinary response to both. He didn't get on his level on just drugs alone. Every one else was doing pretty much the same thing, i.e., training, nutrition, performance enhancing compounds, as he was, but nobody was at his level. Same with Arnold during his time. They were both blessed genetically in all aspect in regard to bodybuilding.

i di believe you believe what you saw to be the truth ,,it may be and its from a child perspective as in 12 year old usually se thing in dif manner tha adult and it influence him oir her for life,,its like when you see terminator at age 9 and from then on arnold is super human,,,i do believe you that you believe this is to be the case with the kid

never theless,,people who live in block 10 in the getto are surrounded by drug dealers and trafickers from young age ,,their way out of this life is to be athltes and try to become the best in the getto and then go from there,,,its a vishous circle that still exist to this day and im very femiliar with it,,those kids especially in your times in 70s were surrounded with plenty of narcotics and hormones were like candy ,,legit hormones that you can walk in and steal or just get from your older brother bro that was t he neigberhood assistant dealer in cheif,,,innocence has nothing to do with it,,you lose your innocnece in the getto very fast and know how to keep yourmouth shut otherwize you will be stucj in getto for life time and end up in the same poorcondition you were born to,,

the 70s was a very good era for dealers in america,,,till today the narcotics are part of every poor neigberhood ,,,hormones are like candys there its not even considered a drug and it shouldnt,,its just very easy to get and was super easy to get in 70s because it was like getting a piece of gum it was easier to get than cigars,,

even a kid who dont know shit about shit can poop a pill in and with dianabol it means a severe stength increase,,with anavar and halo it means super human strength especially in the eyes of kids,,
now i agree most chanses are at age 12 most kids wont have the capacity ,,in general,,but in the getto kids at 12 are = 20 year olds anywhere else,,

friend i amextermly knowledgable when it comes to the human body and hormones,,it is almost immposible to show me something new that i ahevtn experienced through out my years in bodybuilding,,im also narcisistic and it comes out in bad way when i post,,never the less what i say is accurate

i do however believe you that in yuor point of view this kid was natural
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« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2008, 01:55:10 PM »
There was this kid when I was growing up in Hawaii, Okinawan Japanese, who at 16 yrs and 5'6" 165 lbs benched 455lbs (with a slight bridge)
Are you sure you remember the poundage correctly? Come on now.

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« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2008, 07:31:59 PM »
blah blah

We're supposed to take your word for it?
Well, you can take it or not...it's not like I have some sort of advantage in making those statments...it does nothing for me. It was simply to prove a point. Not sure how I could "prove it" to you