CONGRATULATION AMERICA

[SirTraps]

Ask George Tenent.

 oh shit 

     Lush Gumjob and Faux news have performed a complete lobotomy on you, havent they Joe ?

[joelocal]

oh shit 

     Lush Gumjob and Faux news have performed a complete lobotomy on you, havent they Joe ?

Read the book. BTW, Rush is usually right, same with Mark Levine.........awesome

[England_1]

TEAM JOELOCO

[240 is Back]

I completely understand and agree........but didn't we go there with the original intention to steal it.

lifelong oil men in cheney and bush.

they write a document in 2000 detailing the NEED to contorl mid east oil.

they start a war with an oil rich nation.

and they never intended to take the oil?

Dude....

[pkaz]

Hilary was a senator for quite a while.  Served on important committees.

What is Huck's experience?  Governor?
What is Thompson's experience?  Senator 30 years ago and an actor?

HIlary would turn any country into a crater for fvcking with us.  This isn't 1993 anymore.  This is 2009.  You should watch the debates.  Hilary is all about war now.

Actually, if you do some research you will find that Hilary, as a senator for NY, has accomplished "nothing"... Upper NY state is still in the worst recession (worse the last four years) that it has ever been in. The fact is, the great people on NY thought that Hillery was going to (manage to) accomplish and improve NY state economics as she stated she would and didn't (couldn't). Hillary is a joke. And what would she do in the event of another attack on U.S. soil??? Nothing!! She would pacify the attacker just like Mr. Jimmy Carter did. Hillary = failure.... She could not even take care of her husband, which was her first priority as a wife.....

[pkaz]

Prove to me that we over there for the sole purpose of "stealing" oil and I'll concede.

That fact is...... If the U.S. wanted to "steal" oil it would be the easiest thing for us to do. We could take control of any oil producing country in days.  Thefore, it must be more than stealling oil. How about long term economic benefit's for the world, especially the Western world.

[Alex23]

That fact is...... If the U.S. wanted to "steal" oil it would be the easiest thing for us to do. We could take control of any oil producing country in days.  Thefore, it must be more than stealling oil. How about long term economic benefit's for the world, especially the Western world.

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[gh15]

Hilary was a senator for quite a while.  Served on important committees.

What is Huck's experience?  Governor?
What is Thompson's experience?  Senator 30 years ago and an actor?

HIlary would turn any country into a crater for fvcking with us.  This isn't 1993 anymore.  This is 2009.  You should watch the debates.  Hilary is all about war now.

hilary clinton got zero chance to become president of usa ,,reason is she is a very bad person closet thing to demon there is and everything she does is inorder to satisfy a current need inorder to achieve something else,,she might have been able to win despite this but she has one big problem that she wont be able to recover from ,,she is a woman,,and  woman in america wont pass,,es[pecially women with no serious record or experience in anything but chasing down the lovers of her husband,,she will never be president since american people when it comes to president ellection will not chose her as in independent and republicans and some democrats will nto vote for her ,,,she will win the nomination of the democrats and will ruin that party for good times to come until 2010 when it will try to recover,,

barak obama has nto chance to do anything becuase ameica is still racist ,,its enough to take a look at this board to undertsan dhow big of a race problem still exisit in america,,inaddition to the fact obama has zero experience and he is operating on the couple million generation nothings of britny spears whores who were born to rap which ruined american youth starting in 1992 with bill clinton terms in office,,obama is riding a wave that will die since america is still racist when it comes to south and still have brain when it comes to the old people who actually bote

romney is phony ,,not a chancealthough his money will pull him as much as it can but just too phoney

edwads didnt work it right and its nto his time nor does he have any serious experience to talk about,,he come up secondary phney to only romney although edwards is not phomey but he comes out as one

huckabee cant win because he doesnt have the christians in the sack due to lack of money and simply lack the right horse,,huckabe maybe become a vice president in next adminsistration

juliani started too late and maybe vice president in next administration

mccain wil be the 44t president of the united states ,,he will be a president for 8 years and he will bring the war to an ened while seeing in his life time the first mission to mars  at the end of his second term


you going to have good future usa ,,you really going to have a good future because you are smart ,,i thought you were already half dead but you proved me wrong

[chaos]

Nah, you're thinkin' of "Old-Testament God", mister fire and brimstone, not his peace-loving hippy son!

god hates teh hippies.

[freespirit]

mccain wil be the 44t president of the united states ,,he will be a president for 8 years and he will bring the war to an ened while seeing in his life time the first mission to mars  at the end of his second term


you going to have good future usa ,,you really going to have a good future because you are smart ,,i thought you were already half dead but you proved me wrong

That sounds like a fairytale.

Empires rise, and fall. That's how it was, and always will be.

[gh15]

That sounds like a fairytale.

Empires rise, and fall. That's how it was, and always will be.

um not in americas case,,since america is so big and so many people there are always the crazy and the whores and the extrimists,,its just a very large country ,,but among them there are always the good smart people who navigate that country into greatness,,,those guys are not internet fellas they are very active in their respective fields and they carry on their back all the bad of america because this bad of america is like their bad problematic son or daughter but guess what...its still their son and daughter and they carry them too with them into greatness,,those problematic people  are leaded by good people who make sure those problematic people too have good future because they are sons of same land and related to them,,itas like rich daddy that take care of his own spoild and out of control daughter because that daddy loves her no matter what she does because she is part of him ,,his creation

now,,in every society when things get real bad guess what you do....you turn to the elders,,you turn to granps,,

mccain is this granpa,,mccain is this regean of 2008,,mccain has vast huge out of the ordinary experience with everything todo with leadership ,,he has been tested ,,he is militasry man,,hes a pilot,,he knows washington and its problems,,he is honest man that will tell you to your face that you have a problem and he will tell you how to solve it but at the same time wont cut people for the sake of cutting them and making them suffer even more,,he will do america good like that rich dad that take care of all of his kids no matter how problematic those kids are,,he has what it takes,,HE HAS COMPASSION HE HAS STRENGTH HE HAS THE PRESIODENCY OF USA BECAUSE AS I SAID AT THE BEGGINGIN OF THIS POSTING,,HE STAND A SHINING SEA ABOVE AND BEYOND ANY OTHEER PERSON IN AMERICA WHEN IT COMES TO THE ABILITY TO LEAD AMERICA INTO THE 21TH CENTURY  AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT WELL ,,EVEN THE DEMOCRATS DO AND WILL VOTE FOR HIM IN REGEAN LIKE NUMBER

this is truly one of the last good ole guys left from the good ole days,,his time has come this year ,,he will do all of the good bush the son wanted to do and coudnt..yetthrow out the bad that was actually done,,,in his time in office hopefully there will be a new generation that mature into the ability to lead the world

[bigdumbbell]

Read the book. BTW, Rush is usually right, same with Mark Levine.........awesome

oh brother 

[Moosejay]

I think in a couple of decades once the reality of what's really going on now becomes more common knowledge, he'll be judged better by history than he has been by his contemporaries.

Indeed.

[Moosejay]

for most practical people in the MIDDLE.

Remember there are far right, and far left people.

The far left 10% believe that we should all live happily together, avoid conflict, and never take things from others.  Fine and dandy, but unrealistic.

The far 10% right believe pre-emptive for wars for oil/bases are immoral, so they have to be lied to.  The WMD story is for them.  Guys here that STILL say we invaded to spread democracy, not oil.  Cause they know they put Bush into office, and his invading for oil means tens of thousands of iraqis have died because of their vote.  They are weak, and need simple lies to keep their heads up.

Just because WMD's were not found does not at all prove that they do not exist over there.

As far as "Bush Lied"...that is so fucking lame.

They ALL lie.

Its part of the job.

[Moosejay]

I'm saying this is one point of view that many have.

7000 ppl die every day in America.  1/3 from cancer, 1/2 from heart disease, and the others from various causes.  In a strictly UTILITARIAN sense (greatest good for all), is 3000 lives worth control over 80% of 50 to 75 $ trillion worth of oil?

Some believe the answer is yes.  Do you, matt?

Agreed. For the good of the many, the few must suffer.

[Moosejay]

It's because our standard of living is so much higher that the rest of the world's, and has been acheived, in part, by taking advantage of much of the rest of the world.  But most of us don't understand that reality until later in life.

So we grow up thinking the way we live is "normal", and grow used to our relative luxuaries (like electricity, running water, medical care, automobiles, 3 meals a day, etc).  Then at some point we gain a true understanding the way things work.  Then we are faced with a choice:  be "moral" and trade our nice comfortable middle-class lifestyle for an African or Asian or Latin American or eastern european type existance, or say "fuck it", accept reality, and fight for what we have.

Or we can send BILLIONS of dollars in aid to far-off African nations so it can be stolen by the 'Royal Families', while their countrymen continue to suffer.

[Moosejay]

Actually, in understanding the world we live in, having a Democratic country in the middle of an extremely middle Eastrem run environment (run by extremists and religious fanatics) is not a bad thing. If you live in the U.S. or most Western countries you understand (at least today) that oil is a not only a very improtant requirement to survive but a necessity. If you researched what oil provides besides gasoline you would find an abundance of products that you yourself use and rely on (the weights that you train with are manufacture by the use of oil). This question was posed to me a few years ago.... "If suddenly gasoline was $5.00 a gallon, $10.00, $15.00 a gallon, what would you want your government to do to get you oil and gasoline. The answer. ANYTHING...

So, until new energy sources are developed oil is a necessity. And just for the record, not only Mr. Bush believed that there were WMD in Iraq but so did every other Western country.

Agreed.

Gas in Holland is $7.40 per gallon.

Cut down on the fucking Starbucks Lattes and SUV's (asshole mobiles), and you won't worry so much about gas, which, by world standards, is pretty darn cheap.

[Moosejay]

The UN inspectors who were on the ground in Iraq didn't think there was WMD

The UN?

The UN...you have GOT to be kidding....real organized, just, fair organization there.

[Moosejay]

As long as it isn't a lib who gets in, I don't care who's Pres.

Agreed.

If a lib gets in, secure your mortgage, and take your money out of the stock market.

[Moosejay]

Calm down old bear; many said that in 2000

True. And, actually, Clinton was very good for the economy, which was anomalous as far as libs go.

[Moosejay]

im all for taking the iraqi's oil, but with such an abundance of oil now in US hands, the gas prices need to come down

I'd say that spending on needless, superfluous things need to come down. A woman in a business group I am in owns a $2,500 handbag.

[Moosejay]

No President has the power to drive the country down.

Suppose a dem gets in and decides to close all the bases, give all the oil to china, and say sorry.

Joe, do you REALLY believe this would happen?  I mean, it sounds like you love to use words like 'lib' and 'lacifist' - repeating what you heard on Rush this morning - but you seem to not realize that presidents don't have the power to hurt longterm advantages.

Agreed.

The president is ONE PERSON.

Representing a cadre of many others who advise him.

This one person does not really have the absolute power to do much singular damage.

[bigdumbbell]

Agreed.

Gas in Holland is $7.40 per gallon.

Cut down on the fucking Starbucks Lattes and SUV's (asshole mobiles), and you won't worry so much about gas, which, by world standards, is pretty darn cheap.

cheap people worry about the price of gas and cell minutes.  oh yeah i seen a birkin bag yesterday for 5,000 dollars

[Deicide]

People are delusional here.

Some actually believe that the USA's rampant imperialism, mercantilism and abuses will forever be tolerated by the world. All we are is a bully and we can't stand up to a world united against us. That is a fact.

Regardless of who is president, the current course will be held.

[Moosejay]

He didn't do shit when the they tried to bring the towars down in 93', he didn't do shit when the USS Cole was hit in 2000, he didn't do shit when OUR Embassys were bombed on his watch, he had Bin Laden more than 10 times and let him go......WTF Rob, you want more?

Bush did more to protect this country than anyother President in recent memory!!!!!!!!!

Agreed