A new phenomenon.......

[DIVISION]

Personal trainers talk amongst each other when clients aren't around.

We talk about anabolics, supplements, women and other vices....

Anything really is fair game.

I've noticed among the younger trainers a tendency toward these prohormones which are said to be similiarly structured to real AAS.

Really generic names like, Trenbolic, Androlic etc. etc.....

I don't understand why anyone would use a prohormone which not only costs more than a real anabolic product but has more sides and less benefit for a newbie.

It's basically like starting off on the wrong foot, so to speak.

One trainer, 19, told me he was going to start on an oral-only cycle because he's worried about his girlfriend finding out if he decided to inject (swelling, injections sites etc.).

I explained to him that he's doing it backwards and that he'd be better off waiting or simply doing a Test only cycle if he wants a true anabolic experience.

He's determined to do Winstrol alone........

I even offered to sell him my Anabolics 2005 copy, but he'd rather go off internet profiles and 2nd hand information.

Guys like this are why I don't want to share any AAS advice, it's often a waste of breath.

Intelligent guy for his age, just very ignorant.

Any of you see this?



DIV

[benz]

Personal trainers talk amongst each other when clients aren't around.

We talk about anabolics, supplements, women and other vices....

Anything really is fair game.

I've noticed among the younger trainers a tendency toward these prohormones which are said to be similiarly structured to real AAS.

Really generic names like, Trenbolic, Androlic etc. etc.....

I don't understand why anyone would use a prohormone which not only costs more than a real anabolic product but has more sides and less benefit for a newbie.

It's basically like starting off on the wrong foot, so to speak.

One trainer, 19, told me he was going to start on an oral-only cycle because he's worried about his girlfriend finding out if he decided to inject (swelling, injections sites etc.).

I explained to him that he's doing it backwards and that he'd be better off waiting or simply doing a Test only cycle if he wants a true anabolic experience.

He's determined to do Winstrol alone........

I even offered to sell him my Anabolics 2005 copy, but he'd rather go off internet profiles and 2nd hand information.

Guys like this are why I don't want to share any AAS advice, it's often a waste of breath.

Intelligent guy for his age, just very ignorant.

Any of you see this?



DIV

Why not just give him a copy instead of selling one 
Now as for the internet info & 2nd hand information, i guess its not THAT bad. Ive heard many "experts" at my gym talking about how2make a proper roids cycle and then i come here, ask/read a bit and i realize if they were posting here, you all would be hating on them for being so stupid 

Maybe its different in USA, this is spicland, big difference. hehe

[busyB]

See it all the time Div.

Their logic is that if it is sold over the counter and is "legal" it must be much safer. Marketing with cathcy names similar to real gear lures them in as well. Plus, they always know a kid who gained 20 lbs on cycle of the latest PH. Most then crash because they dont do shit for PCT!

Remember, these kids get a lot of their info on gear from ESPN and BB.com.

[DIVISION]

Why not just give him a copy instead of selling one 
Now as for the internet info & 2nd hand information, i guess its not THAT bad. Ive heard many "experts" at my gym talking about how2make a proper roids cycle and then i come here, ask/read a bit and i realize if they were posting here, you all would be hating on them for being so stupid 

Maybe its different in USA, this is spicland, big difference. hehe

It cost $70 and the only reason I'm letting it go is because Llewellyn sent me an updated copy during his first draft of the '07 version.

Spicland?

Refresh me?

See it all the time Div.

Their logic is that if it is sold over the counter and is "legal" it must be much safer. Marketing with cathcy names similar to real gear lures them in as well. Plus, they always know a kid who gained 20 lbs on cycle of the latest PH. Most then crash because they dont do shit for PCT!

Remember, these kids get a lot of their info on gear from ESPN and BB.com.

These "kids" are going to make a big mistake.

Even many of these internet search engines have resources that discourage "oral-only" cycles.

It's basic knowledge.



DIV

[benz]

It cost $70 and the only reason I'm letting it go is because Llewellyn sent me an updated copy during his first draft of the '07 version.

Spicland?

Refresh me?

These "kids" are going to make a big mistake.

Even many of these internet search engines have resources that discourage "oral-only" cycles.

It's basic knowledge.



DIV

I live in spicland(chile) ...much different here and no real "gurus" around to ask.

How about you scan that new book , convert to pdf and send? 

[DIVISION]

I live in spicland(chile) ...much different here and no real "gurus" around to ask.

How about you scan that new book , convert to pdf and send? 

Seeing as how I'm Hispanic, I kind of take offense to your comment, benz.

How about you copy this link and buy the book from the man himself?

http://www.molecularnutrition.net/products_book.html

It's worth it.


DIV

[4thAD]

Seeing as how I'm Hispanic, I kind of take offense to your comment, benz.

How about you copy this link and buy the book from the man himself?

http://www.molecularnutrition.net/products_book.html

It's worth it.


DIV

Are we feeling a little sensitive today DIV? LMAO As far as prohormones some actually work very well and are well worth the $$. Take M1T for instance its a great kick start to a cycle and the strength gains are awesome. If you run it by itself which I have the sides are to much to take, but with test it's right up there with dbol IMO.

[Rimbaud]

Lately I haven't been taking my iPod to the gym because I busted the headphones (left them on the floor) so between sets I just sit & listen. I often hear these 16-21 year olds talking about steroids & prohoromones. However, more often then not I hear these idiots talking about getting on HGH. It almost makes me cry with their lack of knowledge.

[Emmortal]

Haha, a 16 year old on GH....

[Arnold jr]

Haha, a 16 year old on GH....

I started GH and slin when I was 15...no regrets, only muscle.

Personal trainers talk amongst each other when clients aren't around.

We talk about anabolics, supplements, women and other vices....

Anything really is fair game.

I've noticed among the younger trainers a tendency toward these prohormones which are said to be similiarly structured to real AAS.

Really generic names like, Trenbolic, Androlic etc. etc.....

I don't understand why anyone would use a prohormone which not only costs more than a real anabolic product but has more sides and less benefit for a newbie.

It's basically like starting off on the wrong foot, so to speak.

One trainer, 19, told me he was going to start on an oral-only cycle because he's worried about his girlfriend finding out if he decided to inject (swelling, injections sites etc.).

I explained to him that he's doing it backwards and that he'd be better off waiting or simply doing a Test only cycle if he wants a true anabolic experience.

He's determined to do Winstrol alone........

I even offered to sell him my Anabolics 2005 copy, but he'd rather go off internet profiles and 2nd hand information.

Guys like this are why I don't want to share any AAS advice, it's often a waste of breath.

Intelligent guy for his age, just very ignorant.

Any of you see this?



DIV

Depends on the gym bro...it's not that way at my gym at all but I would imagine my gym is not the norm.

[Emmortal]

At that age AJ what was the point of GH though?  Your body is still producing a good amount at that age, I guess I just don't see the point, but obviously if it worked and you don't regret it then great, I just haven't heard too many people jump on GH that young.

[Rimbaud]

Haha, a 16 year old on GH....

I've overheard HS seniors talking about doing it. Shit I know someone who sells generic HCG & I want to buy about five vials from him (about $150) & sell it to those morons for about $1000. However, I'm afraid karma will come back to bite me. 

[Arnold jr]

At that age AJ what was the point of GH though?  Your body is still producing a good amount at that age, I guess I just don't see the point, but obviously if it worked and you don't regret it then great, I just haven't heard too many people jump on GH that young.

Bro, I was just joking. I never touched GH until I was 28...never used slin, never will...I would just get fat using slin, lol!

[davinci]

i see it all the time. especially on anabolicminds, its just easier for people to get something over the counter or online (prohormones/prosteroids) then to source out real gear, and they get to take it orally instead of using a needle. so i feel for most this is there selling point, even though there are huge side effects, it dosent matter, people always want the easiest quickest path to something no matter what the price they might pay

[Emmortal]

Bro, I was just joking. I never touched GH until I was 28...never used slin, never will...I would just get fat using slin, lol!

Man, you had me going there, I had this look of utter confusion on my face, I should have taken a pic =)

[Knives]

Bro, I was just joking. I never touched GH until I was 28...never used slin, never will...I would just get fat using slin, lol!

Can't you use T3 with slin to keep yourself from getting fat?

[DIVISION]

Can't you use T3 with slin to keep yourself from getting fat?

Doesn't work that way exactly.

T3 just increases the metabolism, which can mean fat loss as well as muscle catabolism.



DIV

[benz]

Seeing as how I'm Hispanic, I kind of take offense to your comment, benz.

How about you copy this link and buy the book from the man himself?

http://www.molecularnutrition.net/products_book.html

It's worth it.

DIV

No lloro como un maricon cuando me dicen spic, you should do the same bro 

[davinci]

tango el gato en los pantalones! glacius!

[trab]

No lloro como un maricon cuando me dicen spic, you should do the same bro 

Divs got a chip on his shoulder from living w/ the mormons... I can feel him.

In USA race is a bullshit thing to deal with. That waht I like about Thailand, it is nonexistant.
Skin color just a curiosity. White/Black both "Farrang".

[thelamefalsehood]

i see it all the time. especially on anabolicminds, its just easier for people to get something over the counter or online (prohormones/prosteroids) then to source out real gear, and they get to take it orally instead of using a needle. so i feel for most this is there selling point, even though there are huge side effects, it dosent matter, people always want the easiest quickest path to something no matter what the price they might pay

Quoted for truth. Check out anabolicminds sometime when you get a chance. In their steroid section, everyone talks about pheraplex this superdrol that, those guys seem clueless on anything that is actually a real HG compound. They do have a very good OTC supplement section though.

[Arnold jr]

Doesn't work that way exactly.

T3 just increases the metabolism, which can mean fat loss as well as muscle catabolism.



DIV

True, but if you're on a good course of AAS, then using t-3 is not going to lead to muscle loss...it's just not going to happen. If it did, I'd be a walking talking 120lb beast, lol!

Can't you use T3 with slin to keep yourself from getting fat?

Some people just have no business using slin...by some people I do mean most people. If you do not have a naturally super charged metabolism, then you are going to get fat...yes, you'll gain some muscle, probably a good deal. But the muscle to fat ratio is going to be way, way out of whack IMO.

Also, the biggest reason to use slin is to gain...the biggest reason to use t-3 is to lose fat. Yes, I know slin is often used in parts of many peoples contest diets...but the majority of the time, for the majority of people who use it, it's strictly used as a gainer.

[Captain Equipoise]

You can get a copy of anabolics on ebay for like $5-10
I got my 2006 copy for less then $10 shipped.

[Arnoldwanabe]

True, but if you're on a good course of AAS, then using t-3 is not going to lead to muscle loss...it's just not going to happen. If it did, I'd be a walking talking 120lb beast, lol!
Some people just have no business using slin...by some people I do mean most people. If you do not have a naturally super charged metabolism, then you are going to get fat...yes, you'll gain some muscle, probably a good deal. But the muscle to fat ratio is going to be way, way out of whack IMO.

Also, the biggest reason to use slin is to gain...the biggest reason to use t-3 is to lose fat. Yes, I know slin is often used in parts of many peoples contest diets...but the majority of the time, for the majority of people who use it, it's strictly used as a gainer.

But if you do you will make some nice gains??  I am a hard gainer (fast metabolism) and carry a low BF% year round no matter what I eat.  I have considered slin but it scares the @@$#% out of me.

[Knives]

True, but if you're on a good course of AAS, then using t-3 is not going to lead to muscle loss...it's just not going to happen. If it did, I'd be a walking talking 120lb beast, lol!
Some people just have no business using slin...by some people I do mean most people. If you do not have a naturally super charged metabolism, then you are going to get fat...yes, you'll gain some muscle, probably a good deal. But the muscle to fat ratio is going to be way, way out of whack IMO.

Also, the biggest reason to use slin is to gain...the biggest reason to use t-3 is to lose fat. Yes, I know slin is often used in parts of many peoples contest diets...but the majority of the time, for the majority of people who use it, it's strictly used as a gainer.

Maybe I've read too many of his posts without a good understanding, but according to gh15 if you're at 6% bodyfat and you're on AAS, GH, Slin, and T3 you should blow up like the pros.  Any merit to this?