It depends. Take a guy like Larry Scott back in the early 60's- according to very credible sources, he never took more than 20 mg of dianabol a day and he started out with a very skinny frame and built 20 inch arms. From all reports, he worked out extremely hard and had a great physique even in his 50's. Yes, he took steroids, but when you take small amounts, you still have to train hard and eat right. Now take a gym guy who doesn't compete. He's on 1000 mg of test, some orals and if he can afford it, some Growth Hormone. To the average person, he looks "big" but on closer inspection, he is a big bloated guy with a red puffy fat face carrying 30 pounds of extra water and walking with his lats spread out. Of course he has the obligatory"I'm a cage fighter" expression on his face. Probably has shitty proportions too. Every hardcore gym has a ton of these guys walking around..there a dime a dozen. Always promising they'll get cut one day.The guys that have decent size, and good shape and are ripped are harder to find. So, not all roid users are lazy and stupid, but a lot of them are. But of course, it's much harder to build a great physique when you're natural, so it is a great accomplishment.