Just as the CTers thought... we'll be in Iraq for the next 100 years

[240 is Back]

Beach Bum, kiss my ass, you ignorant shit

THe US and Iraq are working out a deal for longterm permanent US bases in Iraq, announced this morning by the Iraqi govt to NBC News.

Iraqi wants us to stop the combat missions and stick mainly to our bases.

US wants premanent bases in Iraq to control oil flow IN iraq, and keep an eye on places OTUSIDE of iraq.

Seeing as we've been building these long term bases since the minute we landed in Iraq - is there ANY doubt in anyone's mind that all along, the plan was 1) set up bases and 2) grab and guard the oil?

[Bindare_Dundat]

Beach Bum, kiss my ass, you ignorant shit

THe US and Iraq are working out a deal for longterm permanent US bases in Iraq, announced this morning by the Iraqi govt to NBC News.

Iraqi wants us to stop the combat missions and stick mainly to our bases.

US wants premanent bases in Iraq to control oil flow IN iraq, and keep an eye on places OTUSIDE of iraq.

Seeing as we've been building these long term bases since the minute we landed in Iraq - is there ANY doubt in anyone's mind that all along, the plan was 1) set up bases and 2) grab and guard the oil?

I don't like the fact that you condone the oil grabbing tactic but at least your not a blind man. You know the score.

[headhuntersix]

U make it sound like we're keeping this a secret or its a Republican plot. Any Dem senator who has visited that are or even Afghanistan could see that we are never leaving. Hell we might never leave Kosovo. We will cut down the number of bases and consolidate but once things really settle down..we're there for a long time. And no matter what, Obama/Hil whoever will not change that policy. Once they get in they will be privy to whats really going on, understand the threat and continue with what we're doing.

[headhuntersix]

This is a blinding flash of the obvious....ur making it seem like u just had a CT revelation. We are not pumping all that money in out of the kindness of our heart. I will say that if u look at the Vietnam war..we never had any plan to leave there either. We built Cam Rahn Bay naval base..it ended up being a Soviet Naval station..not our intent. Anything is possible, but if our current success continues...then we are not going anywhere...plus thats where the oil is.

[OzmO]

U make it sound like we're keeping this a secret or its a Republican plot. Any Dem senator who has visited that are or even Afghanistan could see that we are never leaving. Hell we might never leave Kosovo. We will cut down the number of bases and consolidate but once things really settle down..we're there for a long time. And no matter what, Obama/Hil whoever will not change that policy. Once they get in they will be privy to whats really going on, understand the threat and continue with what we're doing.

This is true. Decisions Like this one over rule who's in office becuase of money and securing resources.  It has nothing to do with dems or repubs.  Had a democrat been stupid enough to invade Iraq, oil companies would have just jumped at the opportunity to profit from it and force and extended stay all the same.

I'm not surprised at all by this.

[240 is Back]

I don't like the fact that you condone the oil grabbing tactic but at least your not a blind man. You know the score.

yeah, i dont' try to take any moral high road.  I support the war for oil and bases, period.

I just like to argue, and I hate people in denial.  

When someone says "we never intended to put in bases", it pisses me off.  We started building bases immediately.

When someone says "it's not about the oil", it pisses me off.  We guarded the oil ministry, built a pipeline, then made them sign over 80% of their oil to us.

When someone says "there is nothing odd about 911", it pisses me off.  1/2 of the commissioners themselves are now calling for a new investigation based on new info.

I just hate to have my intelligence insulted.  I'm okay with global imperialism if it's what is needed.  I just hate arrogant, self-righteous pricks who try to claim we're on some mission to help people.  We're there to steal with as little collateral damage as possible.  Period.  When people try to say God would support this, it's the right thing, we never planned on bases or oil, etc etc... it just annoys me

[240 is Back]

This is a blinding flash of the obvious....ur making it seem like u just had a CT revelation. We are not pumping all that money in out of the kindness of our heart.

...plus thats where the oil is.

yeah, but 2 years ago, people liek beach cum, delusional liberal, etc...

they'd talk shit, saying "where's the PROOF we are taking their oil" and "where is the PROOF we're building bases"?

They said we "libs" were crazy, that we'd leave as soon as there was peace, we'd never mess with their oil.  We were only there to help.

It's just a nice feeling to rub it in a bit.  Those naive, gullible yes-men, standing on their altars gloating about the good we were doing.

[240 is Back]

interesting though---

hilary was interviewed 2 days ago, saying we WON'T be in iraq for decades, that she'd ensure we leave, no longterm presence, etc.

This was an obvious pandering lie, or she's incredibly naive, which I doubt.

[headhuntersix]

No...but what I mean by never leaving and what she means by no long term presence are the same thing I think...20-30 years. Maybe we're not looking at a Germany senario but I think 20 years is possible. On the oil thing...I want to see proof we're taking their oil because we're not.I'm not being confrontational...I'd like to see where American oil is getting a break on oil from Iraq. I think we should be but i don't think anybody is benefitting anymore then say oil from Saudi Arabia. Being there ensures we can get to it...but as of now its not like the US army is in the oil business. Otherwise I must have missed my discount card.

[headhuntersix]

Point me to an article..I'd be very interested to see it. We damm well should be. If oil is selling at 90 a barrael we should take 15 off the top to pay for the war.

[240 is Back]

No...but what I mean by never leaving and what she means by no long term presence are the same thing I think...20-30 years. Maybe we're not looking at a Germany senario but I think 20 years is possible. On the oil thing...I want to see proof we're taking their oil because we're not.I'm not being confrontational...I'd like to see where American oil is getting a break on oil from Iraq. I think we should be but i don't think anybody is benefitting anymore then say oil from Saudi Arabia. Being there ensures we can get to it...but as of now its not like the US army is in the oil business. Otherwise I must have missed my discount card.

berserker and BB and someone else had a big thread on it.  hydrocarbon law.  80% of oil exploration rights go exclusively to US firms.  I think they sold the other 20 to china.  very complex, but it boils down to oil kept in dollars, tapped at flow speed that we choose.  I'm all for it, i just like to rub the shit in the neotaint fake republicans like beachbum who giggled and rolled his eyes for 2 years about it not being about oil.

[headhuntersix]

Yeah but thats not enough...Texaco should be able to pull oil out at 15 a barrel or something and sell it for  2 bucks a gal. Or we should set up an oil company that would pump Iraqi oil expressly to pay for the war.

[240 is Back]

Yeah but thats not enough...Texaco should be able to pull oil out at 15 a barrel or something and sell it for  2 bucks a gal. Or we should set up an oil company that would pump Iraqi oil expressly to pay for the war.

reconstruction fees are how we're justifying the 80%.  and who knows what stage the pipeline is in.  ALl CNN tells us is taht insurgents keep blowing it up.

[240 is Back]

Yeah but thats not enough...Texaco should be able to pull oil out at 15 a barrel or something and sell it for  2 bucks a gal. Or we should set up an oil company that would pump Iraqi oil expressly to pay for the war.

plus i think it's more about longterm allocation at our own pace. 

contorl over 80% of 50 to 75 tril worth of oil is a decades thing.  Why flood the market with it today, when Bushs' friends are making record profit on the oil overhead?  If the price drops to 2 per gallon due to added supply, their processing margins drop significantly.

it's there when we need it.  if/when we attack iran and the gulf suddenly gets constipated.  or when our economy needs a lifeline.  or when others just plain run out.

[headhuntersix]

Yeah...its not as bad. The oil wells are out in the open..its hard to sneak up on them...the pipelines are hard to guard but they can be covered by air. The more insurgents we kill, the less they can concentrate on the pipes. Such attacks are not very sexy. They work..not very complicated but they're fighting the PR war as well....

[headhuntersix]

Its a lifeline..I'd agree. I would like to see some short term help. Cheap oil would help our economy right now.

[240 is Back]

i'd vote for mccain tomorow if he's come right out and break everything down with honesty.

instead, all we'll hear from the repub crop of candidates is "helping to stabilize the country for the iraqi people" and other nonsense.

[240 is Back]

Its a lifeline..I'd agree. I would like to see some short term help. Cheap oil would help our economy right now.

IMO they'll milk it.. keep it as high as possible (to ensure higher profits) til the last minute.

When the DOW drops more than they're earning, they'll open up the tap a bit (our own little Baby Opec)  and suddenly, we'll all have Bush to thank for saving the economy.  This will be our october surprise, right before the election   They'll rebound the economy by opening up gas, maybe 'discover' osama and kill him (seeing as many world leaders admit he's been dead 5 years, it wont be hard).  Scaling back troops starting in July according to Iraq govt to NBC news today.  Just in time to declare victory, tell us the surge worked, and by the way, vote McCain!

thats how i'd manipulate the hsit out of people if I was running the show.  Blame the dems for everything, then be the hero at the last minute, leave them wanting more.  economy recovers, war on terror ends, osama dead, victory in iraq, and Bush saves the day.  Energize the repub base for election day and strip away the only card the dems can play, the war.

[Rearden Metal]

i'd vote for mccain tomorow if he's come right out and break everything down with honesty.

instead, all we'll hear from the repub crop of candidates is "helping to stabilize the country for the iraqi people" and other nonsense.

I might join you in that one.

[headhuntersix]

Just get Mccain fired up..he's crazy..he starts having flash backs and he tells u what he really thinks. i guess he's got my vote.