Is HRT considered.........

[Neurotoxin]

some on GB seem to infer that HRT is similar to doing a REAL cycle.

i say apples and oranges.


discuss....

[Camel Jockey]

Joeloco used HRT to bodybuild... 

[busyB]

How is it different? Test is test, no matter what dosage.

HRT is just a definition of a lower dose cycle..just because you are not adding a bunch of other compounds does not mean it is not a cycle??

[Camel Jockey]

the average HRT patient absorbs 50 mgs of test per week.

do bbers cycle on 50mgs per week ?

Average HRT patients..

But I bet there are people who persuade their friendly doctor for several times than just 50mg a week. *cough Joeloco cough*

[busyB]

Where did that stat come from? 50 mg a week 

Some docs script the cream, anywhere from 1% - 20% cream. One doc here scripts anywhere from 200-400mg week of Cyp injections.

HRT is just a term, but still a cycle.

[benz]

some on GB seem to infer that HRT is similar to doing a REAL cycle.

i say apples and oranges.


discuss....

You can ask JOELOCO for his UNBIASED NATURAL OPPINION

[Van_Bilderass]

True HRT means replacement of natural hormone levels. If your doctor gives you 200-400mg of Cyp with additional Dianabol or Anavar or Deca it's something else but not HRT.

[busyB]

True HRT means replacement of natural hormone levels. If your doctor gives you 200-400mg of Cyp with additional Dianabol or Anavar or Deca it's something else but not HRT.

I think he just scripted them Cyp, nothing else! But he has been known to be a bit "loose" with his scripts 

[The Squadfather]

How is it different? Test is test, no matter what dosage.

HRT is just a definition of a lower dose cycle..just because you are not adding a bunch of other compounds does not mean it is not a cycle??

EXACTLY, it's still an exogenous form of testosterone being put into the body, doesn't matter whether it's 50mg. or 5000.

[The Squadfather]

true, but one bring your levels back to normal....the other gives you supra-physiological levels of T.

whatever your levels are at the age you are is what they should be.

[The Squadfather]

so you're saying that if a person has suppressed levels of T.....HRT to bring within normal range is cycling?

yes, i'm not saying it's wrong but yes it is a very light cycle.

[SteelePegasus]

Joeloco used HRT to bodybuild... 

only because he needs it to look and function normally..

[busyB]

what percent of bbers could compete on a national levels using true HRT ?

NONE!!!! Oh wait, Ronnie did right?  

That is not the point of HRT...

[BFP]

Where did that stat come from? 50 mg a week 

Some docs script the cream, anywhere from 1% - 20% cream. One doc here scripts anywhere from 200-400mg week of Cyp injections.

HRT is just a term, but still a cycle.

can you call HRT a cycle if you never come off?

Jason

[JohnnyVegas]

Average mmale produces 4-7 mg of test per day. That is about 28-35 mg per week, so even 50 mg would be on the high side.

I do agree that it is a cycle anyway you cut it. Small cycle, but still a cycle.

Docs who are putting people on HRT are using a transdermal patch becaue it does not "spike" like a shot of test in the ass.

I have a buddy at the gym that is getting "HRT", he is 48 and about 275-big dude, his "HRT" is 400 MG of test every 2 weeks from the doc....to me that is a cycle.

[trab]

can you call HRT a cycle if you never come off?

Jason

The objective of HRT for those w/ clinically low Testo levels is to keep a steady highrange normal level.
 Not coming on and off.
Dose of any drug is weighed w/ a risk/reward by Drs as you prolly know all to well.

Neuro talks out his ass. HRT of way over 50 mg is prescribed regularly. The Dr is the one in control of that.
Not a internet fraud like neuro.

THe way many BBers use AAS they'd be better to just stay on than stop for 4-6 weeks while they still have
longacting steroid in their system and some artificial stimulation from HCG and clomid.
They are really NEVER off like that anyway.

Either intermittent use of HCG a least a couple times a year as a break from steroid ,or the newer use of constant low dose HCG is, IMO best, to keep the testes from going completely dormant and cell necrosis.

Neuro is just a frustrated liberal instigator.

[arce377]

HRT, and us using PE's for Health, Sport, etc.,...is the same thing...A rose by any other name...

[arce377]

From Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, 1594:

    JULIET:
          'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
          Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
          What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
          Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
          Belonging to a man.

          O, be some other name!
          What's in a name? That which we call a rose...
          By any other name, would smell as sweet;

          So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
          Retain that dear perfection which he owes
          Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
          And for that name which is no part of thee
          Take all myself.





A rose by any other name would smell as sweet...

Meaning...

What matters is what something IS, NOT what it is CALLED.

Origin

[Hedgehog]

What's with all these people thinking that HRT is necessary for normal guys to survive?

Next thing I know, Larry "HRT" Smith will reg here and post some BS about how he should be allowed to compete in natty feds.

[240 is Back]

can you call HRT a cycle if you never come off?

Jason

Yes.

One really long cycle!

[240 is Back]

What's with all these people thinking that HRT is necessary for normal guys to survive?

I could care less, but they do get annoying when they preach how they're all natural *except* HRT, which they consider natural because their hormone levels were that high at 18, and all they're doing is replicating that at age 45.

While I'm all for loose drug laws, I'm almost hoping they cut back on the HRT free-for-all, so we can see the law abiding, system abusing hypocrites shrink 50 pounds or hit the local dope house looking for test cream.

[trab]

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[I ETA PI]

My HRT has been better than most "cycles" I ever took when I was younger. 
After using 1/2 dosed mexican crap for years, 400mg of pharm grade test 40mg of anavar a day and almost 9ius of preloaded GH pins is one of the heavier cycles I've ever taken. 

400mg of this US test is probably comparable to a gram of the mexican stuff we were using in the 80's.  And 40mg of anavar is way more than I could ever afford before.  The GH is the best part.  A little dab of sugar in my mouth before my GH output test and I'm at the bottom 1% of production. 
Anyone that says HRT isn't being on is lying to themselves.  This is more than I could ever afford to take for a show 15-20 years ago.   And the quality isn't even comparable.

[trab]

My HRT has been better than most "cycles" I ever took when I was younger. 
After using 1/2 dosed mexican crap for years, 400mg of pharm grade test 40mg of anavar a day and almost 9ius of preloaded GH pins is one of the heavier cycles I've ever taken. 

400mg of this US test is probably comparable to a gram of the mexican stuff we were using in the 80's.  And 40mg of anavar is way more than I could ever afford before.  The GH is the best part.  A little dab of sugar in my mouth before my GH output test and I'm at the bottom 1% of production. 
Anyone that says HRT isn't being on is lying to themselves.  This is more than I could ever afford to take for a show 15-20 years ago.   And the quality isn't even comparable.

I keep telling these guys what trash they are on and they just dont get it.

The ppl sellin that UG shit should get hit w/ fraud charges to boot.

[youandme]

true, but one bring your levels back to normal....the other gives you supra-physiological levels of T.

No complete opposite.

HRT will give you the super physiological feeling of testosterone and longevity, whereas taking excess totally shuts down the bodies natural production of testosterone, hence 0 levels of testosterone.

Think of it as the croppers in the US throwing lye over the plants to feed them, OK just lye is feeding the plants so they grow bigger and utilize the lye. But think about the other countries who use real fertilizer, and plant the plants in the fertilizer, they are constantly feeding both the plant and the ground giving it viable access to minerals from the earth, not just "supporting it"

HRT is extension, A bodybuilding cycle is a superficial extension that lasts only temporarily.

Ask any doctor you go to, the question "How much testosterone do your bodybuilding patients have" He will tell you 0.

Messing with endogenous hormones, plays a big problem with young bodybuilders, but give exogenous hormones to older males, does not mess up the cycle (it can cupport other illnesses though, cancer, etc.)