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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2008, 02:37:40 PM »
Oh yeah, it's a fact that Nasser lost to Dorian, and it's also a fact that Nasser was better overall than Dorian as I proved above, which further proves the fact of biased judging.

Which of my assessments in the "points" post above was incorrect?

You didn't prove anything you made a blanket statement again the fact is Nasser NEVER beat Dorian Yates thats a fact , all you're left with is excuses ( another fact )

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2008, 02:38:35 PM »
for the record, nasser's quads kill dorian's.

so Nasser is even MORE ahead
You know what, after making that post I was thinking it was too generous of me to give quads as a "tossup"  I agree with you...the ONLY bodyparts Dorian beat Nasser on were back and calves, everything else is all Nasser!

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2008, 02:39:05 PM »
You didn't prove anything you made a blanket statement again the fact is Nasser NEVER beat Dorian Yates thats a fact , all you're left with is excuses ( another fact )

Bullshit judging is no excuse, moron.

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2008, 02:39:25 PM »
Don't even bother with ND.

ND has a vast collection of pics and he's scared to post Nasser pics showing Nasser dominating Yates.

He'll of course find Nasser backshots when he was in decline or try to avoid the issue all together.

Don't bother with me is right , because I will crush your ignorance like Hulkster before you ! all you guys have is hero-worship and delusion

Nasser great bodybuilder from the front and thats it

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2008, 02:39:31 PM »
You didn't prove anything you made a blanket statement again the fact is Nasser NEVER beat Dorian Yates thats a fact , all you're left with is excuses ( another fact )

I admitted the fact that Dorian beat Nasser, but thats not relevent when comparing who has a better physique, just like the fact that Cutler won the 2007 Olympia is irrelevant as to whether or not his physique was better than Victor or even dennis Wolf's.

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2008, 02:39:37 PM »
lol whenever ND gets owned he complains about 'blanket statements" LOL

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he will break out the quotes soon because the visuals own dorian from the front just like in the truce thread (the only difference there is that ronnie 1999  owns dorian from the back too)
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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #81 on: February 01, 2008, 02:40:19 PM »
Don't bother with me is right , because I will crush your ignorance like Hulkster before you ! all you guys have is hero-worship and delusion

Nasser great bodybuilder from the front and thats it

Didn't you yourself even admit a few months ago that in 97 Nasser deserved to beat Dorian?

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #82 on: February 01, 2008, 02:40:31 PM »
Bullshit judging is no excuse, moron.

No judging is a fact  ;) and 13 individual judges consistently choose Dorian as the superior bodybuilder over Nasser thats a fact.

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #83 on: February 01, 2008, 02:41:22 PM »
Didn't you yourself even admit a few months ago that in 97 Nasser deserved to beat Dorian?

No , I said Dorian should have lost in 1997 but he didn't get beat by Nasser even at his worse.

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #84 on: February 01, 2008, 02:44:34 PM »
lol whenever ND gets owned he complains about 'blanket statements" LOL

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he will break out the quotes soon because the visuals own dorian from the front just like in the truce thread (the only difference there is that ronnie 1999  owns dorian from the back too)

Look at the sucker trying to find people who will agree with him lol you think the more people agree with you that somehow you're right ( argument ad populum  ;) ) it doesn't work that way


No Ronnie 99 doesn't own Yates in fact he's gone on record right before the 1999 Olympia and said he couldn't touch Yates that ended the truce thread and your bull shit  ;)

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #85 on: February 01, 2008, 02:45:23 PM »
No , I said Dorian should have lost in 1997 but he didn't get beat by Nasser even at his worse.

So who do you think should have won the 97 Mr. O?

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #86 on: February 01, 2008, 02:47:00 PM »
Funny how you put Flex's rear double-bi's pose next to Nasser to compare Nasser to Dorian?  Doesn't make sense, sorry.  Flex's rear double biceps blows Dorian's out of the water.  Why not stick to Nasser/Dorian comparisons, when comparing Nasser and Dorian.  That's a no-brainer!

No its meant to show how pathetic Nasser's back is to just about everyone , you people are making the claim Nasser's back is comparable to Dorian and other than width its not even close

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #87 on: February 01, 2008, 02:48:40 PM »
Look at the sucker trying to find people who will agree with him lol you think the more people agree with you that somehow you're right ( argument ad populum  ;) ) it doesn't work that way


No Ronnie 99 doesn't own Yates in fact he's gone on record right before the 1999 Olympia and said he couldn't touch Yates that ended the truce thread and your bull shit  ;)

ended? I think not. The owning continues to this day, and continues in threads like this. the only reason you ran is that you fear the day that the 1999 Olympia muscletime pics are put up.

that will be the icing on the cake to 1600+ pages of peak Ronnie owning doughian's overrated ass!
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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #88 on: February 01, 2008, 02:49:31 PM »
So who do you think should have won the 97 Mr. O?

I could see why they choose Yates but I don't think he should have won ! and I don't think Nasser beat him as a whole , from the front yes , from the side & back no .

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #89 on: February 01, 2008, 02:53:09 PM »
ended? I think not. The owning continues to this day, and continues in threads like this. the only reason you ran is that you fear the day that the 1999 Olympia muscletime pics are put up.

that will be the icing on the cake to 1600+ pages of peak Ronnie owning doughian's overrated ass!

Hulkster these two quotes ENDED the truce thread ( among the video of Yates at 269 pounds and McGough's quotes )

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.


Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.


your own HERO fucked you in the end ( a proposition you always fantasized about but not in this incarnation ) you ( like my argument ) can't counter this

and stick 1999 Olympia up your ass lol I posted high quality scans since day one of the 1999 Olympia its old news and hey that quote was from you guessed it , right before the 1999 Mr Olympia  lol

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #90 on: February 01, 2008, 02:53:52 PM »
owned again LOL
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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #91 on: February 01, 2008, 02:55:32 PM »
owned again LOL

How's that for a peach , Ronnie Coleman shut Hulkster down lol you just can't get any better than that

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #92 on: February 01, 2008, 03:00:35 PM »
I could see why they choose Yates but I don't think he should have won ! and I don't think Nasser beat him as a whole , from the front yes , from the side & back no .

You didnt answer my question - who do you think should have won the 97 Mr. O?  Or are you going to chose not answer it?  Hint: The answer needs to be in Name format  :)

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #93 on: February 01, 2008, 03:03:38 PM »
No its meant to show how pathetic Nasser's back is to just about everyone , you people are making the claim Nasser's back is comparable to Dorian and other than width its not even close

I agreed that Dorian's back is better overall than Nasser's, however I dont think Dorian "looks better from the back" because "the back" poses contain many other bodyparts too.  I agree dorian's rear lat spread was better than Nasser, but in 97 Nasser's rear double biceps pose looked better - and thats not just my opinion but many getbiggers who were discussing it a week or so ago as you would remember.  I havent seen any rear double biceps comparisons between the two in 95 or 96 to comment, but it woudlnt surprise me if Nasser looked better in those.  Flex Wheeler's rear double biceps pose easily beats Yates' and that's why I was questioning why you're using that pic to compare.

You've shown that you have tons of scanned pics from the 90's shows, how come you dont post any comparisons of Nasser and Yates?  There was one black and white comparison in the 95 Mr. O coverage in Flex where Nasser was doing a most muscular pose with his head facing downwards and Yates was doing the same pose and it was not even close - please be a man and post that one?

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #94 on: February 01, 2008, 03:05:01 PM »
You didnt answer my question - who do you think should have won the 97 Mr. O?  Or are you going to chose not answer it?  Hint: The answer needs to be in Name format  :)

again do I think Nasser beat Dorian? NO but I still personally think Dorian shouldn't have won but he was the the biggest , hardest and driest and he aced Nasser out from the back , I could understand why he won but again I don't think he should have .

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #95 on: February 01, 2008, 03:06:02 PM »
You didnt answer my question - who do you think should have won the 97 Mr. O?  Or are you going to chose not answer it?  Hint: The answer needs to be in Name format  :)

Nasser should have.


Ask nasser this, is it true that he apologized to Shawn ray for placing higher than him at the 95 O???  Just after they announced it???
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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #96 on: February 01, 2008, 03:06:27 PM »
again do I think Nasser beat Dorian? NO but I still personally think Dorian shouldn't have won but he was the the biggest , hardest and driest and he aced Nasser out from the back , I could understand why he won but again I don't think he should have .

why do you insist on not answering the question?  I'll rephrase:

Name the bodybuilder who you think deserved the 97 Mr. O title.

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #97 on: February 01, 2008, 03:08:57 PM »
Nasser should have.


Ask nasser this, is it true that he apologized to Shawn ray for placing higher than him at the 95 O???  Just after they announced it???

I dont even have to ask Nasser that because I remember when it was discussed in Flex magazine and he later clarified his response.  He offered a condolence to Shawn Ray when Shawn was called out as fourth - just being a nice guy that he is.  Later, when Ray was crying about his placing and I think he even threatened/bluffed to retire shortly after that, he said, "Even Nasser apologized to me for beating me."  Nasser was appaled at that betrayal comment by Ray, twisting Nasser's words around when he was just trying to be nice to Ray, so he clarified in a later issue of Flex that he did not apologize, he just offered Ray a few kind words of condolence since he knew Ray used to getting higher than 4th and Nasser had now surpassed him.

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #98 on: February 01, 2008, 03:09:57 PM »
I agreed that Dorian's back is better overall than Nasser's, however I dont think Dorian "looks better from the back" because "the back" poses contain many other bodyparts too.  I agree dorian's rear lat spread was better than Nasser, but in 97 Nasser's rear double biceps pose looked better - and thats not just my opinion but many getbiggers who were discussing it a week or so ago as you would remember.  I havent seen any rear double biceps comparisons between the two in 95 or 96 to comment, but it woudlnt surprise me if Nasser looked better in those.  Flex Wheeler's rear double biceps pose easily beats Yates' and that's why I was questioning why you're using that pic to compare.

You've shown that you have tons of scanned pics from the 90's shows, how come you dont post any comparisons of Nasser and Yates?  There was one black and white comparison in the 95 Mr. O coverage in Flex where Nasser was doing a most muscular pose with his head facing downwards and Yates was doing the same pose and it was not even close - please be a man and post that one?

Nasser may look ' better ' in the back double biceps shot but that doesn't mean he has the better back double biceps shot in terms of density & conditioning , detail & separation and size just because he's softer and looks better doesn't mean he should win the shot , bare in mind all rounds are physique rounds they count ALL of the criteria in every single pose from every single angle and while Nasser does have some advantages as a whole Yates satisfied the criteria better

and Flex Wheeler may have a more aesthetic back double biceps shot but he can't touch Yates in this pose at his best Dorian has way to many advantages , size , density , conditioning , balance & proportion , etc more to a pose that just meeting part of the criteria

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Re: Who REALLY won the 1994 Mr. Olympia
« Reply #99 on: February 01, 2008, 03:18:00 PM »
You're not going to answer the question, ND?  Please name the bodybuilder who you think deserved to win the 97 Mr. O?

Also, can you please scan post the pic I was referring to?  I'll promise to stay out of back-and-fourth debates with you if post it, I just honestly want that picture now that I remember it.