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Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« on: February 02, 2008, 11:09:37 AM »
Sounds like it will pass.  Needed over 600,000 signatures to make the ballot. 

Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot

Saturday, February 2, 2008 10:43 AM

TALLAHASSEE — A citizen initiative to ban gay marriage will be on the November ballot, the only one of more than 50 active petition drives that qualified Friday at the deadline for signature verification.

Hometown Democracy, which would have required voter approval of local growth plan changes, was the only other proposal that appeared to have a chance before the 5 p.m. deadline, but it missed the mark.

Officials, though, ran out of time before they could process all signatures due to a deluge of petitions submitted in the past month and the diversion of county election workers to preparing for and carrying out Tuesday’s presidential primary election.

It couldn’t immediately be determined if there were enough unprocessed signatures to have placed Hometown Democracy on the ballot.

Each proposed state constitutional amendment required 611,009 signatures. That’s 8 percent of Florida voters who cast ballots in the last presidential election. The 8 percent criteria also had to be met in at least 13 of Florida’s 25 congressional districts.

The same-sex marriage ban was certified with 649,346 signatures — 38,337 more than the minimum. Hometown Democracy, which was opposed by developers, businesses and many local officials, failed by 65,182 signatures.

Hometown Democracy’s backers said they will continue their drive and seek certification for the 2010 ballot possibly within the next couple months. Petitions are good for four years.

Secretary of State Kurt Browning rejected a request by the Florida Chapter of the Sierra Club, which supports Hometown Democracy, to delay ballot certification until all signatures submitted before Friday’s deadline are checked and counted if they are valid.

“The Florida Constitution requires ballot placement to occur on Feb. 1, and the Division of Elections has a rule that requires the state to base placement on the total number of signatures received by the state before 5 p.m.,” said Browning spokesman Sterling Ivey.

In a request to Browning and Gov. Charlie Crist, Sierra officials said a delay would be justified because of the primary, which moved up this year from March, as well as problems in the state’s electronic counting system and the verification process in some counties.

Opponents of Hometown Democracy, including developers and other business interests, jumped the gun and declared the proposal, which would require voter approval of changes in local growth plans, was dead, at least for this year.

Sponsors of the single-gender marriage ban announced in December they had obtained enough verified signatures. State officials then lowered the count due to a glitch in the Division of Elections’ electronic reporting system, which had double counted some signatures.

Browning shut down the system and stopped posting daily updates on division’s Web site. The last official posting on Jan. 14 showed the gay marriage amendment was 21,989 signatures short. Hometown Democracy needed 109,479 more signatures.

The next closest proposal as of Jan. 14 had less than half of the necessary signatures.

After finding out it was short, Florida4Marriage.org submitted 92,000 more signatures, said the group’s leader, Orlando lawyer John Stemberger.

Hometown Democracy submitted nearly 800,000 signatures, said the group’s leader, Palm Beach lawyer Lesley Blackner.

Some of Hometown Democracy’s opponents proposed an alternate growth management initiative, but Floridians for Smarter Growth acknowledged before the deadline that it didn’t have enough signatures. Its petitions, though, contributed to the glut that kept Hometown Democracy off the ballot.

Michael Caputo of Floridians for Smarter Growth said its backers, including the Florida Chamber of Commerce, have not yet decided whether to seek certification for the 2010 ballot.

Caputo acknowledged the campaign he’s managing was designed to keep Hometown Democracy off the ballot this year so opponents would have more time to organize for 2010.

Blackner said the law gives county supervisors of election too much discretion and some have given signature verification a low priority. She also blamed the Legislature’s decision to move Florida’s presidential primary from March to January.

Another anti-Hometown Democracy group called Save Our Constitution tried to get voters to revoke their signatures under a recently passed law.

It has submitted more than 10,000 revocations, said co-chairman Barney Bishop, chief executive of Associated Industries of Florida.

Mary Cooney, public service director for elections in Broward County, acknowledged the election has played a role, but she said temporary workers were hired to help with the verification. Staffers were unable, though, to keep up with the number of petitions coming in and some missed the deadline, she said.

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/Gay_Marriage_Ban_florida/2008/02/02/69574.html

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 11:36:11 AM »
With all the SERIOUS problems facing America today, this is still a subject of importance? It's 2008, lets get over it already.

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 05:48:41 PM »
With all the SERIOUS problems facing America today, this is still a subject of importance? It's 2008, lets get over it already.

Stupid conservatives fall for this stuff every time.

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2008, 06:53:59 PM »
I guess it's possible all or substantially all of the 649,346 people who signed the petition were conservatives . . . but I doubt it. 

Same thing passed in Hawaii and the state is overwhelmingly liberal. 

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2008, 06:59:49 PM »
This country is headed into the shitter and feather-brained retards are STILL fretting about gay marriage? ????????????????????

The candidates on one side are:
a senile senator who brought us campaign finance reform, among other gems,
a pathological liar and a Kerryesque flipflopper,
a Baptist preacher nutcase who wants creationism taught in schools.

And on the other side:
Satan herself,
and an amateur who wants to learn on the job.

Jobs, the economy, dead soldiers, soldiers coming home with missing limbs, the rise of China and India as economic, military, and scientific giants, the decline of science standards in the US, etc

How can folks gloss over all these problems and worry about something as trivial and inconsequential as civil marriage for the gays????????

I guess it's "first things first" as Bay's cartoon says...

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2008, 07:01:12 PM »
With all the SERIOUS problems facing America today, this is still a subject of importance? It's 2008, lets get over it already.

That's what I think.  What could possibly be gained by not allowing 2 cock swallowers to get married.   They will still be gay regardless.  I don't give a shit what they do.  As long as they keep their aids and shit covered dicks to themselves that's cool with me. 

Enough gay talk....time to go to REDTUBE.  ;D

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2008, 08:28:54 PM »
With all the SERIOUS problems facing America today, this is still a subject of importance? It's 2008, lets get over it already.

Actually, when the folks on MSNBC were covering the McCain/Romney race in Florida, this issue was listed quite low on the list.

I find it funny, because I saw this in the gym a few nights ago and one of the commentators claimed that a marriage amendment wasn't all that important to conservatives in the Sunshine State, citing as proof, that a "last ditch" effort to get the signatures needed was going to fall short. Keep in mind that they already had the signatures they needs months ago, when some last-minute audit, resulted in 30,000 signatures being tossed.

This country is headed into the shitter and feather-brained retards are STILL fretting about gay marriage? ????????????????????

The candidates on one side are:
a senile senator who brought us campaign finance reform, among other gems,
a pathological liar and a Kerryesque flipflopper,
a Baptist preacher nutcase who wants creationism taught in schools.

And on the other side:
Satan herself,
and an amateur who wants to learn on the job.

Jobs, the economy, dead soldiers, soldiers coming home with missing limbs, the rise of China and India as economic, military, and scientific giants, the decline of science standards in the US, etc

How can folks gloss over all these problems and worry about something as trivial and inconsequential as civil marriage for the gays????????

I guess it's "first things first" as Bay's cartoon says...

Ummmm.......I must have missed the rule that says people who vote on this issue do so at the exclusion of other ones.

Last time I checked, you can vote on more than one issue at one time.

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2008, 08:32:59 PM »
I guess it's possible all or substantially all of the 649,346 people who signed the petition were conservatives . . . but I doubt it. 

Same thing passed in Hawaii and the state is overwhelmingly liberal. 

A number of blue states passed marriage amendments, like Oregon and Michigan.

And about 8 years ago, California (hardly a hotbed for conservatism) passed a state law that defined marriage as one-man-one-woman union.

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2008, 08:38:39 PM »
Sounds like it will pass.  Needed over 600,000 signatures to make the ballot. 

Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot

Saturday, February 2, 2008 10:43 AM

TALLAHASSEE — A citizen initiative to ban gay marriage will be on the November ballot, the only one of more than 50 active petition drives that qualified Friday at the deadline for signature verification.

Hometown Democracy, which would have required voter approval of local growth plan changes, was the only other proposal that appeared to have a chance before the 5 p.m. deadline, but it missed the mark.

Officials, though, ran out of time before they could process all signatures due to a deluge of petitions submitted in the past month and the diversion of county election workers to preparing for and carrying out Tuesday’s presidential primary election.

It couldn’t immediately be determined if there were enough unprocessed signatures to have placed Hometown Democracy on the ballot.

Each proposed state constitutional amendment required 611,009 signatures. That’s 8 percent of Florida voters who cast ballots in the last presidential election. The 8 percent criteria also had to be met in at least 13 of Florida’s 25 congressional districts.

The same-sex marriage ban was certified with 649,346 signatures — 38,337 more than the minimum. Hometown Democracy, which was opposed by developers, businesses and many local officials, failed by 65,182 signatures.

Hometown Democracy’s backers said they will continue their drive and seek certification for the 2010 ballot possibly within the next couple months. Petitions are good for four years.

Secretary of State Kurt Browning rejected a request by the Florida Chapter of the Sierra Club, which supports Hometown Democracy, to delay ballot certification until all signatures submitted before Friday’s deadline are checked and counted if they are valid.

“The Florida Constitution requires ballot placement to occur on Feb. 1, and the Division of Elections has a rule that requires the state to base placement on the total number of signatures received by the state before 5 p.m.,” said Browning spokesman Sterling Ivey.

In a request to Browning and Gov. Charlie Crist, Sierra officials said a delay would be justified because of the primary, which moved up this year from March, as well as problems in the state’s electronic counting system and the verification process in some counties.

Opponents of Hometown Democracy, including developers and other business interests, jumped the gun and declared the proposal, which would require voter approval of changes in local growth plans, was dead, at least for this year.

Sponsors of the single-gender marriage ban announced in December they had obtained enough verified signatures. State officials then lowered the count due to a glitch in the Division of Elections’ electronic reporting system, which had double counted some signatures.

Browning shut down the system and stopped posting daily updates on division’s Web site. The last official posting on Jan. 14 showed the gay marriage amendment was 21,989 signatures short. Hometown Democracy needed 109,479 more signatures.

The next closest proposal as of Jan. 14 had less than half of the necessary signatures.

After finding out it was short, Florida4Marriage.org submitted 92,000 more signatures, said the group’s leader, Orlando lawyer John Stemberger.

Hometown Democracy submitted nearly 800,000 signatures, said the group’s leader, Palm Beach lawyer Lesley Blackner.

Some of Hometown Democracy’s opponents proposed an alternate growth management initiative, but Floridians for Smarter Growth acknowledged before the deadline that it didn’t have enough signatures. Its petitions, though, contributed to the glut that kept Hometown Democracy off the ballot.

Michael Caputo of Floridians for Smarter Growth said its backers, including the Florida Chamber of Commerce, have not yet decided whether to seek certification for the 2010 ballot.

Caputo acknowledged the campaign he’s managing was designed to keep Hometown Democracy off the ballot this year so opponents would have more time to organize for 2010.

Blackner said the law gives county supervisors of election too much discretion and some have given signature verification a low priority. She also blamed the Legislature’s decision to move Florida’s presidential primary from March to January.

Another anti-Hometown Democracy group called Save Our Constitution tried to get voters to revoke their signatures under a recently passed law.

It has submitted more than 10,000 revocations, said co-chairman Barney Bishop, chief executive of Associated Industries of Florida.

Mary Cooney, public service director for elections in Broward County, acknowledged the election has played a role, but she said temporary workers were hired to help with the verification. Staffers were unable, though, to keep up with the number of petitions coming in and some missed the deadline, she said.

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/Gay_Marriage_Ban_florida/2008/02/02/69574.html
I was so afraid this wasn't going to make it.  :) I received word that they were like 22,000 votes short a couple of weeks ago.  I sent this information to my in-laws in FL and they passed on the word and were able to get more people to sign the petition.  There was a pretty big push from the very powerful homosexual advocate groups to squash this amendment.  I'll go on record and predict that the YES vote to ban gay marriage will be at least 60%. 

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2008, 08:47:29 PM »
A number of blue states passed marriage amendments, like Oregon and Michigan.

And about 8 years ago, California (hardly a hotbed for conservatism) passed a state law that defined marriage as one-man-one-woman union.

Yep.  I think these bans have passed in pretty much every state it has been up for a vote.  Same sex marriage advocates spent a lot of money in Oregon--hardly a conservative bastion--and it passed there too (as you mentioned).

Some folks try and paint this as a conservative/Republican issue or a Christian issue, but it really isn't.  The opposition to homosexual marriage and support for traditional marriage crosses party lines and you need a whole lot more than "Christian conservatives" to pass these laws and amendments.   

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2008, 08:48:58 PM »
I was so afraid this wasn't going to make it.  :) I received word that they were like 22,000 votes short a couple of weeks ago.  I sent this information to my in-laws in FL and they passed on the word and were able to get more people to sign the petition.  There was a pretty big push from the very powerful homosexual advocate groups to squash this amendment.  I'll go on record and predict that the YES vote to ban gay marriage will be at least 60%. 

You probably helped make a difference.  I can understand why they don't want it on the ballot. 

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2008, 08:55:17 PM »
just shows you what a small group of motivated zealots can do





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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2008, 08:56:14 PM »
Yep.  I think these bans have passed in pretty much every state it has been up for a vote.  Same sex marriage advocates spent a lot of money in Oregon--hardly a conservative bastion--and it passed there too (as you mentioned).

Some folks try and paint this as a conservative/Republican issue or a Christian issue, but it really isn't.  The opposition to homosexual marriage and support for traditional marriage crosses party lines and you need a whole lot more than "Christian conservatives" to pass these laws and amendments.   
Yep!  Whether you break it down by state or on the national level, this issue always goes in favor of heterosexual marriage. 

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2008, 08:56:43 PM »
Yep.  I think these bans have passed in pretty much every state it has been up for a vote.  Same sex marriage advocates spent a lot of money in Oregon--hardly a conservative bastion--and it passed there too (as you mentioned).

Some folks try and paint this as a conservative/Republican issue or a Christian issue, but it really isn't.  The opposition to homosexual marriage and support for traditional marriage crosses party lines and you need a whole lot more than "Christian conservatives" to pass these laws and amendments.   

Actually, the only state in which such has not passed is Arizona. And many suspect that had to do with a number of things added to that amendment that voters thought might adversely affect them, as far as benefits go (I forget the exact details).

I was surprised about 4 years ago, when Missouri passed its amendment, despite the vote being moved up a few months early, with opponents of the amendments hoping for a low turnout and a majority of Democratic voters. Well, if I recall, 60% of the voters were Democrats and the amendment passed 71-29.

Of course, there's nothing stopping those who support gay "marriage" from starting petitons and getting them on the ballot. But, it appears that those supporters prefer letting the courts pull a "Massachusetts".


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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2008, 08:57:02 PM »
just shows you what a small group of motivated zealots can do
you have no idea   :P

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2008, 08:58:26 PM »
just shows you what a small group of motivated zealots can do


Which ones, the "blue" ones or the "red" ones?  ;D

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2008, 08:59:57 PM »
you have no idea   :P

I see the zealots on both sides

It's just an "issue" that I don't care about

I'm not gay and I don't give a shit is some other people are and want to get married

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2008, 09:01:00 PM »
Yep.  I think these bans have passed in pretty much every state it has been up for a vote.  Same sex marriage advocates spent a lot of money in Oregon--hardly a conservative bastion--and it passed there too (as you mentioned).

Some folks try and paint this as a conservative/Republican issue or a Christian issue, but it really isn't.  The opposition to homosexual marriage and support for traditional marriage crosses party lines and you need a whole lot more than "Christian conservatives" to pass these laws and amendments.   

Why the fuck do you care? What does gay marriage have to do with you?
I hate the State.

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2008, 09:01:30 PM »
Which ones, the "blue" ones or the "red" ones?  ;D
lol!!!

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2008, 09:04:03 PM »
Why the fuck do you care? What does gay marriage have to do with you?
You came out the blocks swinging at me, didn't ya?   :o   Pump the breaks, tough guy.   :D

I care because I don't want my children to have to deal with it. 


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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2008, 09:05:36 PM »
I heard Beach Bum and Colossus_500 are secretly gay lovers

it's none of my business though

even if it's true I really don't care


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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2008, 09:06:43 PM »
I heard Beach Bum and Colossus_500 are secretly gay lovers

it's none of my business though

even if it's true I really don't care
You're just jealous, because Beach didn't choose you.   :P

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2008, 09:07:46 PM »
You're just jealous, because Beach didn't choose you.   :P

seriously man, I don't care

besides I'm only a top

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2008, 09:08:12 PM »
Why the fuck do you care? What does gay marriage have to do with you?

I care about traditional marriage, along with millions of other Americans.  

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Re: Gay Marriage Ban Makes Florida Ballot
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2008, 09:09:39 PM »
Why the fuck do you care? What does gay marriage have to do with you?

Why do you care that he cares? What does gay marriage have to do with you?