GH15, do you believe this clown is natural?

[Van_Bilderass]

I've meet Markus.   He doesn't claim to be lifetime natural.

What about his claim that lots of people have failed the test in MM?

Isn't he also a gay escort? I might be mistaken but remember something like that years ago.

[DK II]

What about his claim that lots of people have failed the test in MM?

Isn't he also a gay escort? I might be mistaken but remember something like that years ago.

hahaha, getbig brings all the dirt to the top.

[timfogarty]

What about his claim that lots of people have failed the test in MM?

lots of people fail the test, but only a few of those get DQed.  MM wants plausible deniability.  if you are so juiced to the gills that you're so much better than the rest (Jay Catli, 2002, Francisco Rios Vega, 2006),  Or if you don't realize the game being played and panic when you're asked to pee in a cup and turn in tap water (Giovanni Azpeitia, 2005), they pretty much have no choice but to DQ you.

Isn't he also a gay escort? I might be mistaken but remember something like that years ago.

He and I have dated the same guy (__gg).  but it was the early 1990s and I was drunk those two weeks.

(no I wasn't drunk, but I wish I had been.  at least that would explain my poor judgment)

[gh15]

This guy claims to be totally natural at a weight of 224 lbs and single digit bodyfat. He goes on to claim that his physique is a result of HIT training and nutrition and that he doesn't use any gear.

He also claims he can bench 450 for reps

Now from what I've been reading in your post, you claim (and I believe) that the maximum for a natural white guy is around 200 lbs single digit bodyfat, with Africans and Italians maximum natural stats being only slightly bigger.


Whats your opinion of this guy? Do you think he is Full of shhit?

i claim a lot less,,true naturals rarley touch 200lb at single digit unless they are over 6 feet,,in regards to this fella he is hormonized for many years,,playes with gh some but not significant enough to taked him to next level,,insulin and gh needed for this to happen,,mostly aas and related products such as arimidex letrozole nolvaddex and fat burners,,

[HowieW]

This guy claims to be totally natural at a weight of 224 lbs and single digit bodyfat. He goes on to claim that his physique is a result of HIT training and nutrition and that he doesn't use any gear.

He also claims he can bench 450 for reps

Now from what I've been reading in your post, you claim (and I believe) that the maximum for a natural white guy is around 200 lbs single digit bodyfat, with Africans and Italians maximum natural stats being only slightly bigger.


Whats your opinion of this guy? Do you think he is Full of shhit?

The natural vs NON issue is a NON issue for me. WHY? The biggest and best shows are NOT tested.
Only this guy knows for sure if he juices and what diff does it make unless he enters a natural show on the juice.