no hcg during but i did use adex for the second half of the cycle(.5) i didnt run much test so i was told that hcg wouldnt be needed i did i basic cycle 300mg deca and i moved the test dose around a little but basically kept it for the most part at 500 i dropped the deca three weeks early at week 9 and the test till week 12 im gonna keep running the adex after i think im gonna up the adex dose too and also add nolva and clomid to that list ...also wasnt there a post on here with all the different test esters and half lives
Always use HCG! From first pin to 4 days prior to PCT. 500mg test ew will shut you down. HCG during cycle will help you recover much faster in PCT.How did you like the cycle with the deca? Have you ever run deca before?
what dosage and at what frequency would you recommend hcg during a cycle?
Sorry for missing your earlier posts on HCG use On_One!are you candidizzle? "Sorry for spelling." Your freaking me out your posts are like twins.HCG should be run when on any cycle. It just makes recovery and keping gains much easier. 500mg test will shut you down. Deca alone will shut you down. 250mg test is enough to stop natural test production. Therefore run HCG @ 500iu e3d or 2xEW from first pin to 4 days prior to start of PCT due to the half life of the drug. The last two shots should be 1500iu each. This will ensure that everything is full functioning going in to PCT.PCT should consist of either clomid, nolvadex (I prefer nolva, just a personal choice) weeks 1-4, and aromasin weeks 1-6. This way of running is the way I run my PCT, and it works very well. Everyone that has actually tried it and has done an honest good PCT has come back and said the PCT is golden. It comes from a very knowledgeable and respected that goes by the name Visions. This is also Vision's HCG recomendations. All by backed up by studies and real life experiences. Here are the studies backing up the HCG use for anyone that blieves that 500iu will cause desensitization to LH. I have posted these studies, but I will post them again:What you will find is studies on boys where they give them HCG for 2yrs and they give it to them eod... also studies on the optimal dose being 500iu... I have these studies posted here on the site... where... hahah... i forget... let me find the links1) This study will show that taking shots everyday doesn't stimulate the leydig cells to respond any better then taking one shot every 72hrs... and from reading other studies I know it can desensitize them...http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/49/1/12?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=hcg+male+hypogonadism&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=70&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT2) This study shows that even while on 200mg of Test a week HCG can get the testes to work and produce Test... you will see they gave different amounts of HCG and 500iu's gave a 26% higher response then baseline... meaning they are making 26% more test then normal even with the Testosterone shot... the abstract sums it up but you have to read carefully to understand everything... the shots were given eod but as you already know from the other study shots can be given every 72 hrs with the same results... this is why you will see in my HCG and PCT protocal that for optimal results shots should be given e3d instead of 2 X a week,,, still for our needs we just need the testes to keep working so they dont shut down...http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/90/5/2595?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=hcg+male+steroids+hypogonadism&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=40&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT3)This study shows that if you are shut down during a cycle the response to HCG or LH is progressive... I have another study that shows this even more ... if I can find it... I have hundreds of studies to sort through... I try to sort them as I go but alot of them I havn't and I havn't had time to do it...http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/61/5/926?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=hcg+male+hypogonadism&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=20&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT4)Here is a study that shows a small amount of desensitation after 23 months of using 1500iu's eod... Thats what I would call over stimulation anyway... too much was used and the shots were taken too often... other studies will show no desensitation because they used 500ius... anyway... we will never use that much HCG and never for that long... desensitation isn't going to happen because I have erred on the safe side of everything taking into account all aspects of HCG use in many many studies...http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/55/1/76?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=HCG+23+months+1500&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT
thats why i cut the deca early everyone said that would help alot... did you cut it early as well? and were you running a higher dose than myself..
are you candidizzle? "Sorry for spelling." Your freaking me out your posts are like twins.
Yeah, cut it out early and was running 400 mg week. That was my longest cycle to date, 20 weeks and still a newbie with gear. Lerning how my body reacts/responds still, we all are so different! YES, they are the same 4th. He is the one and only candizzle...
new to the game and you busted a 20 week cycle what drugs did you take
Was my third cycle, so to me, still a newbie. But been training for 18 years.1-20 Test 800mg1-16 deca 400mg17-20 tren a 75 eod(corrected, oops! )PCTHcg, nolva, letro- had to use some letro to rid the mild gyno. should have done during cycle ((will add clomid this time for pct and run Hcg during))
Good Boy! JK man
what ester were you using, busyb ?
