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Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« on: February 12, 2008, 02:38:36 PM »
“I’m off to Tokyo! A big announcement will come straight from Japan tomorrow (February 13). When the official part is done I’ll be able to provide more information about everything, and believe me, I have many things to say. What you could easily guess by now is that I won’t be retiring. I’ll keep on fighting, it’s my life, it’s what I do.”

If he's gonna continue fighting in the UFC why would he leave for Japan to make a big announcement?

Sounds to me he's leaving to sign up with some other organization.

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Re: Crocop wont retire but will he leave the UFC tomorrow?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 02:46:58 PM »
The Ufc tried to lower his pay. Dana White shouldn't say anything about Randy Couture leaving, and Randy wanting out of his contract. Once a contract is signed, both parties should honor it. You don't see Dana and The Ufc trying to cut Liddell's pay when he lost twice. This makes The Ufc look bad.

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Re: Crocop wont retire but will he leave the UFC tomorrow?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 05:48:15 PM »
A terrible repercussion of this is that it will appear as though cro cop got his ass kicked in UFC and fled.  He did lose two of his three fights but so did Liddell.
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Re: Crocop wont retire but will he leave the UFC tomorrow?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 08:08:17 PM »
A terrible repercussion of this is that it will appear as though cro cop got his ass kicked in UFC and fled.  He did lose two of his three fights but so did Liddell.

Couture lost twice, and retired, then came back.

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Re: Crocop wont retire but will he leave the UFC tomorrow?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 02:09:04 AM »
"Update: Dave Meltzer from WrestlingObserver.com is passing along news that Cro Cop could announce that he will fight for a new promotion created by the owners of K-1. We’ll be all over this when the official word comes in. "

great lets spread out all the fighters into a half dozen organisations so nobody fight nobody  ::)
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Re: Crocop wont retire but will he leave the UFC tomorrow?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 04:05:23 AM »
"Update: Dave Meltzer from WrestlingObserver.com is passing along news that Cro Cop could announce that he will fight for a new promotion created by the owners of K-1. We’ll be all over this when the official word comes in. "

great lets spread out all the fighters into a half dozen organisations so nobody fight nobody  ::)

There a lot of unsigned fighters out there. Gomi and Randleman have already signed with this new organization.

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 06:29:05 AM »
Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic, will no longer compete inside the Octagon, signing an undisclosed contract with the newly-minted DREAM promotion, according to Nokaut.com.

He will fight on March 15 against a yet to be named opponent. Lightweights J.Z. Calvan and Shinya Aoki will also fight on the card — it was the only other match announced for the debut show, according to WrestlingObserver.com.

The Croatian still had two fights remaining on a UFC contract that he signed with much fanfare and high expectations toward the tail end of 2006. No details were provided regarding how or the reason he was released from his contract.

However, speculation has swirled that after two losses in three fights the UFC was not willing to pay him the base $350,000 to compete on under card matches (he more than likely pocketed more than that.)

Dave Meltzer indicated in the print edition of the Wrestling Observer newsletter recently that UFC officials were trying to negotiate a new deal that would pay him less … perhaps the “deadline” UFC President Dana White mentioned earlier this month.

DREAM is a new collaborative effort between FEG (K-1, HERO’S) and former Dream Stage Entertainment staff (Pride), according to the announcement. Cro Cop was a star in K-1 prior to becoming a star on Pride FC. And he’s still extremely popular in Japan.

He’ll look to regain his old form; however, unless Cro Cop returns to the UFC before he retires he might always be remembered, at least here in the states, for what he didn’t do in the Octagon rather than what he accomplished outside of it.
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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 06:31:12 AM »
well well crocop couldnt handle fighting in ufc, the worlds greatest organization so now he leaves to fight some chumps in japan where he can be full of steroids...

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 06:43:47 AM »
well well crocop couldnt handle fighting in ufc, the worlds greatest organization so now he leaves to fight some chumps in japan where he can be full of steroids...



So Dana White signs Mirko to a six fight deal, Mirko loses a couple of fights in the UFC, and now Dana demands that Mirko take less than the agreed upon compensation or he is gone, or on the bench. And you claim that Mirko is the one who is "running away" from the UFC and not "honoring" his contract? LMAO. The logic of Zuffa huggers is amazing. ::)



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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 07:05:06 AM »
So Dana White signs Mirko to a six fight deal, Mirko loses a couple of fights in the UFC, and now Dana demands that Mirko take less than the agreed upon compensation or he is gone, or on the bench. And you claim that Mirko is the one who is "running away" from the UFC and not "honoring" his contract? LMAO. The logic of Zuffa huggers is amazing. ::)




I don't know what his contract says. Neither do you I assume. I bet they have the right to change terms if he lose 5 outta 6 fights or whatever. Just like a record company have the right to drop an artist if he puts out 3 records in a row that dont sell. Aint nothing strange with that.

If crocop delivers - he get paid. If he dont then he wont.

Problem is entirely crocops for sucking in the UFC and not delivering. The UFC gave him a great contract, great exposure, put him up against Eddie Sanchez his first fight (much better and easier fight than for example Lesnar starting against Mir, or Soku starting against Machida...)

So knowing this, it's impossible for me to take crocops side on this and blame ufc... he fucked up, plain and simple.
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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2008, 07:15:34 AM »
I don't know what his contract says. Neither do you I assume. I bet they have the right to change terms if he lose 5 outta 6 fights or whatever. Just like a record company have the right to drop an artist if he puts out 3 records in a row that dont sell. Aint nothing strange with that.

If crocop delivers - he get paid. If he dont then he wont.

Problem is entirely crocops for sucking in the UFC and not delivering. The UFC gave him a great contract, great exposure, put him up against Eddie Sanchez his first fight (much better and easier fight than for example Lesnar starting against Mir, or Soku starting against Machida...)

So knowing this, it's impossible for me to take crocops side on this and blame ufc... he fucked up, plain and simple.


i hate to do this but i agree with bluto on this one  :(
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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2008, 07:28:57 AM »
If your boss sat you down and said, Bluto, you are currently making $25.00 per hour. If you would like to stay here, you will have to take a pay cut, we will pay $5.25 per hour. Are you going to stay working for that employer? No, you will find a new job.

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2008, 07:30:20 AM »
i hate to do this but i agree with bluto on this one  :(

A contract is a contract, both parties should honor it.

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2008, 09:19:37 AM »
If your boss sat you down and said, Bluto, you are currently making $25.00 per hour. If you would like to stay here, you will have to take a pay cut, we will pay $5.25 per hour. Are you going to stay working for that employer? No, you will find a new job.

Try comparing it this way

"Bluto, you were known as on of the top sellers in the industry, we managed to take you from the rival company, however since you been working for us you dont sell shit, and you also been home sick most of the time! im afraid you will have to take a pay cut!"

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2008, 09:21:48 AM »
A contract is a contract, both parties should honor it.

who doesnt honor the contract? if its in the contract that the company can lower the payment if the fighter doesnt deliver the goods.

ufc wanted one of the top fighters in the world, so they gave him everything.

he in turn turned out to suck balls and is no where near the top fighter in the world.

is that ufcs fault?  ::)
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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2008, 10:45:09 AM »
 i just dont understand why all the negativity towards 2 guys specially...Fedor and CroCop...Fedor used to be praised here more than jesus christ or nasser, and now everyone shits on him...
 Maybe its the tuf generation or the brainwashed UFC fans doing this....After all, Couture was UFC´s God, and now suddenly, after he left the organization, it seems that all his getbig 'fans' hate the guy...

 and on top of this, there is Dana...a complete f*ck that is talked more than the fighters itself....wtf is this?


 not saying that im right, just a impression that i have...


 the sport might be getting more professionalized, but its loosing all the 'aura' and fun it used to had (and im talking even UFC older days...)

 i think i will start to see just the old guys like Aerts and Sefo fighting on K1...

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2008, 11:31:07 AM »
i just dont understand why all the negativity towards 2 guys specially...Fedor and CroCop...Fedor used to be praised here more than jesus christ or nasser, and now everyone shits on him...
 Maybe its the tuf generation or the brainwashed UFC fans doing this....After all, Couture was UFC´s God, and now suddenly, after he left the organization, it seems that all his getbig 'fans' hate the guy...

 and on top of this, there is Dana...a complete f*ck that is talked more than the fighters itself....wtf is this?


 not saying that im right, just a impression that i have...


 the sport might be getting more professionalized, but its loosing all the 'aura' and fun it used to had (and im talking even UFC older days...)

 i think i will start to see just the old guys like Aerts and Sefo fighting on K1...



So true, before it was hey, lets go bang, get paid and make each other money.  Now it's you need to make me money cause I got you there when it was a combined effort the entire time.  If Dana didn't put on the show AND if the fighters didn't show up to put out we would have a fluke all together so it goes both ways for sure...

Money, power and greed change just about everyone...enough said

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2008, 11:40:08 AM »
its a contract, dana needs to pay him what they agreed upon, mirko needs to finish his fights, if they need to put up against a scrub next to help him regain his form then do it, then give him a rematch against say gonzaga, if he wins that then give him a chance for the belt next, that would make everybody happy, but thats just my opininon, im sure there is a lot more that went into this

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2008, 12:09:14 PM »
A contract is a contract, both parties should honor it.

You don't know if the details of the contract included a provision for reduced compensation as a function of poor performance.  If you think about it, it probably did.  I highly doubt that the UFC would simply renege on a contract and Cro-Cop would accept it without taking it to court. 


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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2008, 12:13:53 PM »
IMO, CroCop = BITCH...

Why would anyone else want to hire him after such a dissapointing run in the UFC... hell, people are laughing at him and he still thinks he's worth something !??
he hid his tail between his legs, settled with Dana and ran. I think it's time for him to give it up, he's screwed either way,  he'll never recover from those emberassing defeats in the octagon. Even if he starts winning in DREAM people will say he's ducking real competition and fighting cans, if he keeps losing people will say he's done and should retire before any more embarassment happens. Either way it's a no-win situation for Mirko.

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2008, 08:48:52 PM »
I think the pay cut provisions were in the contract that Mirko signed. I'm sure his lawyers went over the contract details with him. The problem was no one foresaw that Mirko would struggle against B/C list oppponents. Everyone - including the UFC probably assumed he would be HW champ in no time given his past performances. things didnt quite work out that way. I think Mirko got overconfident and didnt train as much to adapt to the cage.

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2008, 09:03:18 PM »
IMO, CroCop = BITCH...

Why would anyone else want to hire him after such a dissapointing run in the UFC...
He can start juicing again and fighting in Japan, I was on the fence with this guy until I watched his fights in the UFC, then what I saw was a huge disappointment, I was expecting more and was let down.........if he gets on the sauce again, maybe he will make some morre highlight reels.
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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2008, 10:01:13 PM »
mirko lost 2 out of 3 at ufc.

if he still had the passion for fighting that he used to, he would have taken the cut, gone back to the gym and came back more dominant than ever.

when a fighter puts money before legacy/pride it's a very telling sign. when the pressure's on against a top flight hungry opponent and it comes down to heart, mirko's going to give out first.

with the new org he will fight tomato cans for pay until he retires.

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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2008, 11:28:50 PM »
mirko lost 2 out of 3 at ufc.

if he still had the passion for fighting that he used to, he would have taken the cut, gone back to the gym and came back more dominant than ever.

when a fighter puts money before legacy/pride it's a very telling sign. when the pressure's on against a top flight hungry opponent and it comes down to heart, mirko's going to give out first.

with the new org he will fight tomato cans for pay until he retires.


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Re: Mirko Cro Cop leaves UFC and will fight for DREAM in Japan
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2008, 03:08:01 AM »
at leat at one thing i agree with you guys...Even if CroCop was offered less money because of his losses, because of his potential and quality as a fighter, him at 70% could absolutely destroy any hw in UFC (maybe just not Minotauro...)
 For me, as a fan, im really dissapointed too...i would like to see him at least get the belt before left the ufc...I was even thinking they could not waiste time, and just do a one night GP with Mirko fighting everyone and going home with the belt !! lol...how i was wrong... :-[
 But once again, im talking about a fighter who fights to prove he is the best (wich he did in 2006), and not JUST because of money
 With Fedor its a completely different game, giving the fact i dont see he running away from anyone...he just didnt signed with UFC but probably the chances of the Couture fight happen is bigger now (wich for him is the ONLY guy there who worth fighting with)
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