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Who do you believe?
« on: February 13, 2008, 05:38:06 PM »
Roger Clemens or Brian McNamee

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2008, 06:06:25 PM »
McNamee. I believe Clemens did everything that at least half of the MLB players did in the late '90s with AAS.  They saw the way the wind was blowing & they did what they felt they had to to compete.  Clemens will probably beat this, but frankly, I don't believe him.

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2008, 09:31:30 PM »
Clemens is full of shit! Hope he serves time for perjury!

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 09:33:36 PM »
Andy admitted to it
Chuck Knoblauch admitted to it
Clemens' wife admitted to it

and we are suppose to believe that Clemens' doesn't even know what it is  :)
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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 09:37:35 PM »
Total waste of our money.

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2008, 04:42:11 AM »
Total waste of our money.

 ::) ::)what are you talking about???? ::) ::)

this is a great way to spend millions and millions of dollars!!!! what a crock of shit


as soon as the public takes a step back and realizes that baseball IS ONLY A FUCKING GAME!!!!!! everyone would be alot better off...

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2008, 05:36:18 AM »
They both are liars.Clemens used drugs,but McNamee is full of crap even to the point that he signed checks," DR.McNamee",because he got a PHD from a diploma mill.Geeze,the guy was arrested for distributing steroids and when he was asked if he was a drug dealer, he said, "thats your opinion".HE WAS ARRESTED FOR DEALING DRUGS THAT EQUALS A DRUG DEALER!!!!!

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2008, 08:14:34 AM »
Andy admitted to it
Chuck Knoblauch admitted to it
Clemens' wife admitted to it

and we are suppose to believe that Clemens' doesn't even know what it is  :)
there u go....i watched it was very hard to convince me clemens was not at least part guilty.there was even fact on winstrol being slow acting and to be injected slowly do to water base.and causing swelling mass in his glute,due to bad injection or dirty needle.abcess was reported on mri but it will be covered up ,but facts are facts....

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2008, 08:17:12 AM »
LOL @ their reasoning.

"If it had been a steroid abcess, surely the medical staff woudl have alerted the commissioner"

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2008, 08:21:40 AM »
I dont see thirs choice Tony Robbins?


believe in tony!

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2008, 08:45:49 AM »

Question:

If Barry Bonds had been there in the place of Roger Clemens, would the Black Democrats have been as aggressive in their attacks?

That Congressman Waxman had the gall to actually APOLOGIZE to McNamee...makes me want to run half the Democrats out of Washington. 

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2008, 09:03:43 AM »
USA Today's quick question of the day:  "Do you believe Brian McNamee injected Roger Clemens with steroiods and/or HGH?"

Right now 8086 voters have said:

YES 83%

NO 17%

People don't believe Roger for a very good reason.  He's lying. 

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2008, 09:43:02 AM »
USA Today's quick question of the day:  "Do you believe Brian McNamee injected Roger Clemens with steroiods and/or HGH?"

Right now 8086 voters have said:

YES 83%

NO 17%

People don't believe Roger for a very good reason.  He's lying. 

Could we have a case of McNamee giving the injections without being honest with Roger about the exact contents of *every* syringe used? 

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2008, 10:18:08 AM »
I believe McNamee and cannot understand Clemens.  The road he is taking is very dangerous (assuming McNamee is telling the truth).  He could have done the same thing some of the other guys have done and said he used it once or twice for rehab and that would have been the end of it (more or less).  Instead, he has taken a different route which I think can lead to nothing good for him.

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2008, 07:34:24 PM »
I believe McNamee and cannot understand Clemens.  The road he is taking is very dangerous (assuming McNamee is telling the truth).  He could have done the same thing some of the other guys have done and said he used it once or twice for rehab and that would have been the end of it (more or less).  Instead, he has taken a different route which I think can lead to nothing good for him.


I really find it hard to believe that he goes to jail for any of this but you never know. That being said he is lying his ass off his wife did it without his knowledge...lol come the fuk on, I hope he does get exposed and his cy young's taken away...If they take the title away from barry I think clemens is screwed

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2008, 03:49:19 PM »
If Clemens thought he could go before Congress & the American public & get away with lying, it's clear at this point he cannot.  The whole thing has been a circus, & regardless of whether he's proven to be a liar, there's not much question that he is one.  Perhaps that more than anything proves that baseball players had to turn themselves into bodybuilders in the juiced era.  Lying about AAS is proof you are a serious lifter & competitor.

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2008, 07:50:12 PM »

I believe that the trainer is telling the truth, I think Clemens is lying.

But in the end, I also feel it's complete bullshit and that neither one of them should being saying anything in court....there's no reason for this case or any other like it to have to go this far. :-\

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2008, 07:53:25 PM »
Who cares? It's just basketball. ::)
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2008, 11:19:53 PM »
Could we have a case of McNamee giving the injections without being honest with Roger about the exact contents of *every* syringe used? 
now your talking like barry bonds and we all know how thats turned out

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2008, 08:26:03 AM »
If Clemens Is Pursued, a Grand Jury Is Probable

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT and DUFF WILSON in THE NEW YORK TIMES

Published: February 16, 2008

WASHINGTON — If the Justice Department moves ahead with an investigation into Roger Clemens’s statements under oath to Congress over the last several weeks, federal authorities will probably convene a grand jury to delve deeper into Clemens’s possible links to performance-enhancing drugs and to question him more directly.

Clemens has testified under oath twice. The first came Feb. 5, when he was deposed by Congressional investigators. In that deposition, he maintained that he never used performance-enhancing drugs, thus continuing his denial of assertions made about him in the Mitchell report by his former trainer Brian McNamee.

The second instance came Wednesday, when Clemens reiterated his denials to members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. In that session, Clemens and McNamee were pitted against each other in front of members of Congress who faced time limits during their questioning. In some instances, the members did not even appear to have a full understanding of the facts.

In a grand jury setting, however, prosecutors can question Clemens, or McNamee, in a far more controlled environment without the turbulence of a televised Congressional hearing.

“The grand jury is one of the greatest tools federal prosecutors have, and it doesn’t take much to convene,” said Mathew Rosengart, an adjunct professor at Pepperdine University and a former federal prosecutor in Washington. “The grand jury can last as long as 18 months and will allow prosecutors to look for other evidence and try and pin him down on more specifics.”

A decision by the Justice Department to convene a grand jury would also signal that it viewed the Clemens-McNamee case seriously, and was determined to discover who was lying.

“You don’t extend and invest your resources into a grand jury and not expect the matter to go forward to find out who is telling the truth,” Rosengart said. “It would send a message that the government is serious about bringing an indictment.”

If the matter is brought before a grand jury, Clemens would find himself in an almost identical situation to the one Barry Bonds found himself in in 2003, when he testified before a federal grand jury in San Francisco that he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs. Four years later, last November, Bonds was indicted on charges that he lied to the grand jury about his use of those drugs.

In the case of Clemens, the statements he made in the last week and a half can be prosecuted, if determined to be false, because lying to a federal agent or a federal authority is a crime. Lying under oath is perjury.

Marion Jones, the former track star, pleaded guilty to lying to federal authorities in San Francisco and New York. Miguel Tejada, the Houston Astros shortstop, is being investigated for possibly lying to federal authorities when he denied to Congressional investigators that he had talked about, or used, steroids.

The crime is punishable by up to five years in prison. For a first offender, federal sentencing guidelines show a conviction is more likely to be punishable by a range of 15 to 21 months if the person pleads guilty, or 24 to 30 months if he pleads not guilty and is convicted. Those sentence ranges assume the judge rules that the false statement resulted in “substantial interference with the administration of justice.”

The United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, which would presumably have jurisdiction over any false statements made to Congress in the Clemens-McNamee case, has successfully prosecuted 28 people for false statements to federal authorities over the last five years. Three other cases involved a perjury charge, which essentially carry the same penalties.

None of the perjury charges and only one of the cases involving false statements to federal authorities were for making false representations to Congress.

That one instance was a 2006 case involving Lester M. Crawford, a former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration who submitted false financial disclosure documents to the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

Of the perjury cases, two were for statements to the Securities and Exchange Commission and one was for statements to a grand jury about a financial crime. “Not only can anyone that is called before the grand jury be prosecuted for lying, anyone that tells the grand jury different facts from what they told Congress can also be prosecuted because they would have lied to either the grand jury or Congress,” said Daniel C. Richman, a professor of law at Columbia University.

Further, Richman said, “The grand jury will allow the government to spend months doing things the committee didn’t have the time to do.”

However, Richman cautioned, just because the oversight committee might have been lied to by Clemens or McNamee does not mean the Justice Department will be eager to investigate the accounts. They could let the matter drop.

“There is an extraordinarily broad range of matters the House government reform committee has shown an interest in and the Justice Department would not want to give it an automatic call on its scarce resources whenever a witness, even a famous one, is suspected of lying to legislators,” Richman said.

But the presence of various federal agents at Wednesday’s hearing indicates that the Justice Department is closely following the Clemens-McNamee case and will probably continue to pursue it.


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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2008, 08:29:12 AM »
Who cares? It's just basketball. ::)

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2008, 08:49:50 AM »
Chaos not too bright with sports.

ever heard of something called humor?
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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2008, 11:26:45 AM »
Chaos not too bright with sports.
ever heard of something called humor?

hahaha Red Hook has to explain to retarded Sean Rey about humor........ ;D
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!