70's build. What was so complicated?

[JohnnyVegas]

Rick Wayne said Arnold told him he started taking steroids at 13, I think it was. Guys today wait too long to jump on the sauce. 

Youre a funny guy 

[calmus]

Wrong bro. Any kid who goes to McDonalds is getting plenty of trenbolone. Fact, sad, but fact.

How much is "plenty"?

[Van_Bilderass]

Youre a funny guy 

Look at the fantastic Ironage bodies we all admire. Most of them started juicing in their teens. Arnold, Viator, Mentzer, etc etc. Is there a connection here? Even Joeloco started at 15 years old and built a fantastic physique, still going strong too.

You should build a strong steroid foundation early on. Today kids cram Cell-Tech instead and just get fat. 

[GoneAway]

Ok I don't claim to know exactly what these guys did, but I have talked to some guys, one who knew Arnold and another that knew Sergio. From what I was told these guys did a lot of orals. Test wasn't used all that much or at all back in the 70's It was considered a dirty drug. Remember that steroids were still kinda knew and were looked upon as something that took that place of test without all the bad side effects.

Dbol, anavar, drol and some deca and Primo. Winny to a degree also. I think that doses were fairly high. I know Sergio liked dbol, deca and winny, no test. For his comeback in 1984 he added test and tren and he had a different look, one that I personally did not like. I don't think that Franco had gyno untill his comeback in 1981.

i was reading another thread (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=196269.0) and they said deca, with no test, shuts down ur sperm productiom for a long time. i've also heard forever. is this true? if so, how could arnold and sergio have kids?

[Disgusted]

i was reading another thread (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=196269.0) and they said deca, with no test, shuts down ur sperm productiom for a long time. i've also heard forever. is this true? if so, how could arnold and sergio have kids?

Not true. Obviously 

[Disgusted]

How much is "plenty"?

All I can tell is that I definitely noticed I grew better years ago natural when I ate a couple of pounds of red meat a day. Thought is was because red meat was better protein and I think it is but not that much. 

[Desolate]

Been said by TF. They took plenty of drugs back then, plenty. They ate huge amounts of protein: lots of steak and 12 egg omelettes. They didn't mess around with crap like super plasma, pulltate expanders and power surge matrix digestion ergonomic powder.

The physiques changed when GH arrived on the scene. GH and insulin have destroyed the physiques totally.

Quoted for Truth. The damage to physiques has completely outweighed any benefits.

[gh15]

i dont know what planet you lve on friends,,gh15 came here how long ago? 2 years? i thought by now youll get wize,,this is the only  diff they had in the 60s 70s


LEGIT HUMAN GRADE AAS,,DURETICS,,SPEED AND OTHER NARCTOCS AND FAT BURNERS TO CUT,,

THAT IS IT,,NO GROWTH AT ALL DURING 60S 70S,, NO INULSIN WITH MAJORITY OF BODYBUILDERS AT THE TIME,,

TEST WAS USED BUT INSTED OF PUTTING UNDERGROUND GARBAGE AT 5 GRAMS A WEKK AND GET OUT OF IT 500MG OF DIRTY UNPURE UNDTERILE POWDER....THEY GOT A GOOD 500-1000MG OR REAL PHARMA HUMAN GRADE TEST OR VET PRODUCTS A LITTLE LATER ON FROM MEXICO WHICH WAS GOOD TOO,,

THIS IS THE ONLY DIFF ,,

BY THE WAY THE DURETICS ARE THE ONLY PRODUCTS THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE DRY WAHBOARD ABDOMINALS AND OVER ALL LOOK ,,,DONT LET ANY OTHER MORON TELL YOU OTHER WAY,,


IM QUITE DISSAPOINTED IN THE LACK OF UNDERSTAND OF BODYBUILDING IN THIS THREAD


HUMAN GRADE AAS + DURETICS + SPECIFIC NARCOTICS (EVERYTHING NONE CONTROLLED YET) = 60S 70S

ANY UNDERGROUJD GARBAGE / HUMAN GRADE AAS + HGH + INSULIN + FAT BURBERS +DURETICS+ NARCOTICS = MID 90S 2000S

THATS IT,,FOOD ALWAYS THE SAME ,,TRAINING ALWAYS THE SAME,,PUSSY IS ALWAYS PUSSY ,,BODYBUILDER IS ALWAYS BODYBUILDER,,YOUR BODY IS ALL WATER AND YOU ALWAYS DEVELOP THE SAME AND GENETICS MEANS NOTHING ,,YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE SHIRTS WITH THE SAYING FUCK GENETIS BECAUSE IT CONTRIBUTES NOTHING UNLESS YOU ARE AT THE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE OLYMPUS AS IN MY LEVEL OF COMPETITION

GURUS

[Disgusted]

i dont know what planet you lve on friends,,gh15 came here how long ago? 2 years? i thought by now youll get wize,,this is the only  diff they had in the 60s 70s


LEGIT HUMAN GRADE AAS,,DURETICS,,SPEED AND OTHER NARCTOCS AND FAT BURNERS TO CUT,,

THAT IS IT,,NO GROWTH AT ALL DURING 60S 70S,, NO INULSIN WITH MAJORITY OF BODYBUILDERS AT THE TIME,,

TEST WAS USED BUT INSTED OF PUTTING UNDERGROUND GARBAGE AT 5 GRAMS A WEKK AND GET OUT OF IT 500MG OF DIRTY UNPURE UNDTERILE POWDER....THEY GOT A GOOD 500-1000MG OR REAL PHARMA HUMAN GRADE TEST OR VET PRODUCTS A LITTLE LATER ON FROM MEXICO WHICH WAS GOOD TOO,,

THIS IS THE ONLY DIFF ,,

BY THE WAY THE DURETICS ARE THE ONLY PRODUCTS THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE DRY WAHBOARD ABDOMINALS AND OVER ALL LOOK ,,,DONT LET ANY OTHER MORON TELL YOU OTHER WAY,,


IM QUITE DISSAPOINTED IN THE LACK OF UNDERSTAND OF BODYBUILDING IN THIS THREAD


HUMAN GRADE AAS + DURETICS + SPECIFIC NARCOTICS (EVERYTHING NONE CONTROLLED YET) = 60S 70S

ANY UNDERGROUJD GARBAGE / HUMAN GRADE AAS + HGH + INSULIN + FAT BURBERS +DURETICS+ NARCOTICS = MID 90S 2000S

THATS IT,,FOOD ALWAYS THE SAME ,,TRAINING ALWAYS THE SAME,,PUSSY IS ALWAYS PUSSY ,,BODYBUILDER IS ALWAYS BODYBUILDER,,YOUR BODY IS ALL WATER AND YOU ALWAYS DEVELOP THE SAME AND GENETICS MEANS NOTHING ,,YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE SHIRTS WITH THE SAYING FUCK GENETIS BECAUSE IT CONTRIBUTES NOTHING UNLESS YOU ARE AT THE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE OLYMPUS AS IN MY LEVEL OF COMPETITION

GURUS

Test WAS NOT being used in the 70's! I trained with a guy in the mid 80's who was a top AAU guy and he was also good friends with Jeff King and even though these  were using some test they realied more on dbol, drol, EQ and winny and a lot of it. I shouldn't say this, but Haney used to buy boatloads of EQ from a guy I knew. It was one of his fav drugs and back then it came in 50mg per ml. I also know what Rich Gaspari took precontest for a fact and test was not even in the mix!!! BTW, diuretics don't give someone wash board abs.

[turner98]

Arnold was strong, 2 and 3 plate a side barbell rows, 600lb+  deadlifts, 60lb db curls. So I say combination of genetics,  intense training and massive eating! And steroids when dieting

[gh15]

Test WAS NOT being used in the 70's! I trained with a guy in the mid 80's who was a top AAU guy and he was also good friends with Jeff King and even though these  were using some test they realied more on dbol, drol, EQ and winny and a lot of it. I shouldn't say this, but Haney used to buy boatloads of EQ from a guy I knew. It was one of his fav drugs and back then it came in 50mg per ml. I also know what Rich Gaspari took precontest for a fact and test was not even in the mix!!! BTW, diuretics don't give someone wash board abs.

test was used in the 70s
duretics will result in dry physiqe and with it come washboard abdominals

what haney use doesnt intereest my left ball,,im tellin you what it takes to stand on o stage or in a fitnes magazine as of 2000 and in the 70s it was exact same thing with the differences i mentioned in the post,,no need to argue about it because 70s comeptitors used testosterone

[Disgusted]

test was used in the 70s
duretics will result in dry physiqe and with it come washboard abdominals

what haney use doesnt intereest my left ball,,im tellin you what it takes to stand on o stage or in a fitnes magazine as of 2000 and in the 70s it was exact same thing with the differences i mentioned in the post,,no need to argue about it because 70s comeptitors used testosterone

No aurgment here, you're just wrong. 

[calmus]

GH15 is law and law is GH15.   

[gh15]

Arnold was strong, 2 and 3 plate a side barbell rows, 600lb+  deadlifts, 60lb db curls. So I say combination of genetics,  intense training and massive eating! And steroids when dieting

NO! aas all the time,,,with breaks yes but majority of the year ,,,especiually when competetive,,GENETICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT,,the eating was good but today you have exact same food and we eat same

the only thing you need to read from all of this thread is the first post gh15 wrote here,,that is THE ONLY DIFF


i swear bodybuilders are either out of it or simply like to lie to themselves,,there is no argue with what i say ,,i been through the arnold stage i looked better than arnold ,,i know what it takes for those levels and its defenitely no guru that train me to get there,,advices are all welcome but its like the president the decidsion is yours to make ,,,and if you dont experiemtmt yourself on yuor own body and listen to much to people you will never get to the top of the mountain

[turner98]

You looked better than Arnold? According to who? 



 

[Disgusted]

Another thing that you guys need to remember is that these guys only competed once a year and did not walk around at 300 pounds of bloated fun in the offseason. In fact, they shrunk down pretty good. Show me one picture of Arnold, Robbie, Franco or Zane big and bloated in the offseason.

[gh15]

looked better than arnold? in my dreams maybe,, all i said is that i been at that level of development,,i never looked even half as good as arnold,,arnold and ron colman were 2 uniqe individuals among bodybuilders in the last century,,arnold now days would still win the o with the drugs available and ron colman ..no one will ever surpass him he is the absolut best bodybuilding will ever have to offer,,,from now on its only down grade size and trying to bring better condition which wil be very hard becausse ron had both

[The.Giant]

The physiques changed when GH arrived on the scene. GH and insulin have destroyed the physiques totally.

They had GH in the 70's and 80's. They just used much lower doses compared to the monsters of today.
I also read on ironage that arnold took ALOT of test. And I think the general consensus is tonnes of dbol and some deca/primo/whatever else they could get.

[gh15]

They had GH in the 70's and 80's. They just used much lower doses compared to the monsters of today.
I also read on ironage that arnold took ALOT of test. And I think the general consensus is tonnes of dbol and some deca/primo/whatever else they could get.

end of 70s begginign of 80a they tried and arnold did experiemtn with the old ussr gh which was basically taken and made out of dead people,,it was good gh but nothing to wrtie home about comparing to todays doses and quality,,in the 70s it was minut but in the 80s it was used more and in the 90s the gh you know today came to the marketand took the lace in the masses of bodybuilders and later closer to 2000s the china garbage came along and fucked the american drug industry so deep in the ass that now the poor americans all pay th eprice becausse number of their stupid suppliers got greedy and didnt work with the goverment but againt it,,

guess who suffer? americans!

[Matt C]

So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs?  Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter. 

They did everything exactly the same and just took less drugs.  Come on, you or all people definitely know this. 

[Disgusted]

They had GH in the 70's and 80's. They just used much lower doses compared to the monsters of today.
I also read on ironage that arnold took ALOT of test. And I think the general consensus is tonnes of dbol and some deca/primo/whatever else they could get.

You know it's sad that you believe in fairy tales. first of all, have you ever seen what someone looks like on 1000mgs a week of "REAL" test. A bloated mess. The water retention is there even with a good diet. Think logical man. Arnold started his precontest bout 4 months out. What you saw was a steady growth of muscle not a ton a water weight. Again, someone who is on a lot of test has a certain look to them. Arnold NEVER showed any of these signs. As far as GH goes, you say they had it so why don't you tell us the brand name and or a little background on how it was synthesized.

[Disgusted]

They did everything exactly the same and just took less drugs.  Come on, you or all people definitely know this. 

Matt I thought you were smarter than that. READ my posts and you will see major differences.

[The.Giant]

You know it's sad that you believe in fairy tales. first of all, have you ever seen what someone looks like on 1000mgs a week of "REAL" test. A bloated mess. The water retention is there even with a good diet. Think logical man. Arnold started his precontest bout 4 months out. What you saw was a steady growth of muscle not a ton a water weight. Again, someone who is on a lot of test has a certain look to them. Arnold NEVER showed any of these signs. As far as GH goes, you say they had it so why don't you tell us the brand name and or a little background on how it was synthesized.

LOL, don't cruxify me dude. I'm just saying what I've read.

The GH in the late 70's was from corpses, as gh15 posted a couple spots after; and I read that Arnold and Franco were some of the first to start experimenting with it.

Arnold said many times that his steroid use was monitored by doctors, maybe they had him on prop at what was THEN considered a huge dose? I don't know, just speculating.
Also, Arnold was known for fucking everything that moves, do you think he's really be that horny all the time taking deca without any test?

[timfogarty]

Another thing that you guys need to remember is that these guys only competed once a year and did not walk around at 300 pounds of bloated fun in the offseason.

top amateur and pros today only compete once or twice a year.   

back then, the top amateurs would try to win all four major shows (Jr USA, Jr Am, USA, Am), then go on to the Worlds.

In the 80s, it was not unusual for IFBB pros to enter 6-10 shows a year.

[TrueGrit]

The GH in the late 70's was from corpses, as gh15 posted a couple spots after; and I read that Arnold and Franco were some of the first to start experimenting with it.

Out of interest where did you read about it? Not doubting it but this is new information to me that GH was widely being used in the 70s and early 80s.