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Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« on: February 14, 2008, 11:38:58 AM »
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
February 13, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2008, 11:41:28 AM »
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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2008, 11:50:50 AM »
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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2008, 12:31:57 PM »
my steelers beat them pretty good on halloween night in 04

we played them again in the afc championship and they were a completely different team

hines ward said they knew what we were doing before we did it >:(

maybe goodell covered it up because he is buddies with Kraft and he knew this would be an embarrassment to the league

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2008, 12:40:27 PM »
goodell had no reason to destroy the tapes

he should be dismissed

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2008, 01:12:52 PM »
You guys understand that taping opponents from the sidelines was 100 percent legel until 2006 correct? Even if they did do it , it was legal. Stealing sings is legal to this day. If anyone here tries to tell me sports team do not steal sings they never played a sport in there life. I love how the pats are the only sports team in history that might have tried to get an edge. What a crock.


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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2008, 01:14:18 PM »
my steelers beat them pretty good on halloween night in 04

we played them again in the afc championship and they were a completely different team

hines ward said they knew what we were doing before we did it >:(

maybe goodell covered it up because he is buddies with Kraft and he knew this would be an embarrassment to the league

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He didnt cover it up. He asked for tapes and was provided with them by the pats. Then a tape was leaked by a member of his staff. Which obv cannot happen and they where destroyed. Matt Walsh is a former scorned pats employee who did not work for the pats in 2004. The situation you are talking about is from 2001. 2004 has nothing to do with this. The lack of knowledge on what actually happened is shocking to me. This is nothing more then an excuse by teams who lost. Taping signals was perfectly legal up until 2006. So even if Belichick was , there was nothing wrong with doing that.


You do know Goodel used to work for the jets , and is good friends with the owner of that team also correct?  In 2004 taping signs was not illegal. If the pats did it , and the steelers where so dumb they do not change there sings its there own fault. Taping sings became illegal in 06 , stealing them remains legal to this day.

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2008, 01:40:57 PM »
You guys understand that taping opponents from the sidelines was 100 percent legel until 2006 correct? Even if they did do it , it was legal. Stealing sings is legal to this day. If anyone here tries to tell me sports team do not steal sings they never played a sport in there life. I love how the pats are the only sports team in history that might have tried to get an edge. What a crock.


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I don't know body.  That's sort of like saying steroids in baseball were "legal" because baseball hadn't banned them.  I think this is about the integrity of the game, regardless of whether the NFL had a policy that explicitly prohibited things like secretly taping a team's walkthrough.   

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2008, 03:28:54 PM »
I don't know body.  That's sort of like saying steroids in baseball were "legal" because baseball hadn't banned them.  I think this is about the integrity of the game, regardless of whether the NFL had a policy that explicitly prohibited things like secretly taping a team's walkthrough.   

No its not. Not a all. Stealing signs in football is to this day perfectly legal. Are you saying stealing signs with cam's lip readers and players is less bad? That is simple called cherry picking. NOthing is going to change the fact that the pats got into trouble for having a camera in the wrong place on the field. It would have been legal had they done it from a different spot. It makes no sense , stealing signs is fine , unless you do it from a certain spot then its a huge deal, please. Taping sings was legal and done by many team's up until 2006. To this day you can tape sings from certain parts of the stadium. Jimmy Johnson himelf and MANY others have flat out said the taped signals since way back in the day. You are comparing Murder to a speeding ticket. Steroids compared to a form of stealing signals? Something that is totally legal to this day. That is so extreme it is crazy. How about we compare a scuffle in a bar to attempted murder? Pass interference is now enforced past the five yard line , should go back to 2004 and whine about what teams where doing when the practise was legal? Honestly if there was no rule against taping signals and a team figured that out and another team was dumb enough to keep there sings there same they got  owned. Its called gamesmanship and every single pro team participates in it. I love how people ignore the fact stealing sings is legal , yet taping them is the worst thing in history. If this turns out to be true , the pats stole sings more efficiently then everyone when it was legal , and thats the cold hard truth.


This entire laugh issue is agenda driven , period.I must also remind you none of what ha been said is a actual facts. This is all rumors at this point. The funny part about this whole issue is the pack of knowledge, Mike Martz himself said even if the pats had taped , it was only goal line drills. Goal line situations had nothing to do with that game at all. Martz said it not me.

The skins used to cover the fences of there field so rival teams did not tape them. None of this stuff is anything new , and anyone who claims it was not going on since the start of it all is simply lying. Pretty sure your niners got bagged for cheating the salary cap during the season of there last sb. They where fined draft picks. They cheated. Honestly the hypocrisy is scary.

The pats are a scapegoat , period.

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2008, 03:34:46 PM »
No its not. Not a all. Stealing signs in football is to this day perfectly legal. Are you saying stealing signs with cam's lip readers and players is less bad? That is simple called cherry picking. NOthing is going to change the fact that the pats got into trouble for having a camera in the wrong place on the field. It would have been legal had they done it from a different spot. It makes no sense , stealing signs is fine , unless you do it from a certain spot then its a huge deal, please. Taping sings was legal and done by many team's up until 2006. To this day you can tape sings from certain parts of the stadium. Jimmy Johnson himelf and MANY others have flat out said the taped signals since way back in the day. You are comparing Murder to a speeding ticket. Steroids compared to a form of stealing signals? Something that is totally legal to this day. That is so extreme it is crazy. How about we compare a scuffle in a bar to attempted murder? Pass interference is now enforced past the five yard line , should go back to 2004 and whine about what teams where doing when the practise was legal? Honestly if there was no rule against taping signals and a team figured that out and another team was dumb enough to keep there sings there same they got  owned. Its called gamesmanship and every single pro team participates in it. I love how people ignore the fact stealing sings is legal , yet taping them is the worst thing in history. If this turns out to be true , the pats stole sings more efficiently then everyone when it was legal , and thats the cold hard truth.




This entire laugh issue is agenda driven , period.I must also remind you none of what ha been said is a actual facts. This is all rumors at this point.

No I'm not talking about murder.  Not a good comparison.  The point I was trying to make is the issue isn't simply whether the NFL had a policy expressly prohibiting the conduct.  It's whether what the team is doing impacts the integrity of the game. 

Secretly taping a team's walkthrough for a competitive advantage is just wrong.  It's indefensible IMO.  If they were doing that, they should be held accountable in some way. 

Also, if there was nothing improper about this, then why was it done in secret?   


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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2008, 03:53:42 PM »
WASHINGTON -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

 isnt the issue about the taping of signals being illegal? and isnt that what Bilichick admits to since 2000? sign stealing may be llegal but taping isnt. there is a difference. i have always found the fact that Goodell destroyed the six tapes interesting.

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2008, 06:40:42 PM »
this might sound crazy,

do you think the patriots tanked on superbowl sunday on purpose?


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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2008, 06:48:19 PM »
this might sound crazy,

do you think the patriots tanked on superbowl sunday on purpose?



 Hell no.

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2008, 07:17:28 PM »
this might sound crazy,

do you think the patriots tanked on superbowl sunday on purpose?


nono, no way.

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2008, 08:03:25 PM »
i never heard anything about taping signs being legal until 2006

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2008, 06:28:17 AM »
this might sound crazy,

do you think the patriots tanked on superbowl sunday on purpose?



No, they simply got outplayed.

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Re: Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2008, 06:37:41 AM »
No its not. Not a all. Stealing signs in football is to this day perfectly legal. Are you saying stealing signs with cam's lip readers and players is less bad? That is simple called cherry picking. NOthing is going to change the fact that the pats got into trouble for having a camera in the wrong place on the field. It would have been legal had they done it from a different spot. It makes no sense , stealing signs is fine , unless you do it from a certain spot then its a huge deal, please. Taping sings was legal and done by many team's up until 2006. To this day you can tape sings from certain parts of the stadium. Jimmy Johnson himelf and MANY others have flat out said the taped signals since way back in the day. You are comparing Murder to a speeding ticket. Steroids compared to a form of stealing signals? Something that is totally legal to this day. That is so extreme it is crazy. How about we compare a scuffle in a bar to attempted murder? Pass interference is now enforced past the five yard line , should go back to 2004 and whine about what teams where doing when the practise was legal? Honestly if there was no rule against taping signals and a team figured that out and another team was dumb enough to keep there sings there same they got  owned. Its called gamesmanship and every single pro team participates in it. I love how people ignore the fact stealing sings is legal , yet taping them is the worst thing in history. If this turns out to be true , the pats stole sings more efficiently then everyone when it was legal , and thats the cold hard truth.


This entire laugh issue is agenda driven , period.I must also remind you none of what ha been said is a actual facts. This is all rumors at this point. The funny part about this whole issue is the pack of knowledge, Mike Martz himself said even if the pats had taped , it was only goal line drills. Goal line situations had nothing to do with that game at all. Martz said it not me.

The skins used to cover the fences of there field so rival teams did not tape them. None of this stuff is anything new , and anyone who claims it was not going on since the start of it all is simply lying. Pretty sure your niners got bagged for cheating the salary cap during the season of there last sb. They where fined draft picks. They cheated. Honestly the hypocrisy is scary.

The pats are a scapegoat , period.

While you try to portray this situation as no big deal, It was a big enough situation that cost Belichek half a million and a first round draft pick for the Pats. No matter how good a team drafts, losing a first round pick is huge. These accusations are not a witch hunt. There was a punishment handed down.

I totally agree that NFL teams make attempts to gain an edge whenever possible but the bottom line is the Pats were caught and punished. Now their record of success since the year 2001 is under high scrutiny. Belichek acting like a cocky distant prick with public relations certainly doesn't help his cause.


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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2008, 08:23:01 AM »
While you try to portray this situation as no big deal, It was a big enough situation that cost Belichek half a million and a first round draft pick for the Pats. No matter how good a team drafts, losing a first round pick is huge. These accusations are not a witch hunt. There was a punishment handed down.

I totally agree that NFL teams make attempts to gain an edge whenever possible but the bottom line is the Pats were caught and punished. Now their record of success since the year 2001 is under high scrutiny. Belichek acting like a cocky distant prick with public relations certainly doesn't help his cause.



I agree, the punishment handed down speaks volumes.   When have you ever heard of a team losing a draft pick as punishment?

This was big.  no doubt.

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2008, 08:35:18 AM »
I'm shocked that Goodell swept this under the rug, I really am.  ::)

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While you try to portray this situation as no big deal, It was a big enough situation that cost Belichek half a million and a first round draft pick for the Pats. No matter how good a team drafts, losing a first round pick is huge. These accusations are not a witch hunt. There was a punishment handed down.

I totally agree that NFL teams make attempts to gain an edge whenever possible but the bottom line is the Pats were caught and punished. Now their record of success since the year 2001 is under high scrutiny. Belichek acting like a cocky distant prick with public relations certainly doesn't help his cause.


Stupidity was his biggest crime.  It was Belichick's stupid move of taping a team run by a former subordinate that sunk him.  I cannot fathom how he would not think that Mangini would not have turned in his old boss.  Come to think of it, it was a pretty stupid move to go for it on 4th and 13 in a tight Superbowl game.  What's all this nonsense about Belichick being the smartest guy in the NFL?

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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2008, 08:50:26 AM »
Stupidity was his biggest crime.  It was Belichick's stupid move of taping a team run by a former subordinate that sunk him.  I cannot fathom how he would not think that Mangina would not have turned in his old boss.  Come to think of it, it was a pretty stupid move to go for it on 4th and 13 in a tight Superbowl game.  What's all this nonsense about Belichick being the smartest guy in the NFL?


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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2008, 09:21:57 AM »

No worries Deck.....    the Pack will be a force next year and likely win it all.
I hope so, but I don't see it.

I apologize to the Jet fans...I didn't mean to type "Mangina".

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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2008, 09:25:01 AM »
I hope so, but I don't see it.

I apologize to the Jet fans...I didn't mean to type "Mangina".

How can you not?

Young talented team with a great QB?  They will be in the top 5 favorites to win it next year i bet.

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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2008, 09:32:38 AM »
How can you not?

Young talented team with a great QB?  They will be in the top 5 favorites to win it next year i bet.
The Packers were lucky this year with injuries.  The team cannot absorb a hit in the linebacking corps, the defensive backfield or the running game.

I don't think they'll be as lucky next year.

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2008, 09:50:53 AM »
How can you not?

Young talented team with a great QB?  They will be in the top 5 favorites to win it next year i bet.

I can think of a number of reasons:  Chargers, Colts, Pats, Cowboys (ugh), Steelers, and probably a few others.  All of those teams, when healthy, are better than the Pack IMO.