Censorship of Ron Paul - **cough** beach bum ** cough**

[Hugo Chavez]

Yes that could account for some of the disparity.  But if he had true supporters who wanted him to be president they would register and vote.  If his support is made up largely of people who can't or won't vote for him, then he's not and never has been a legitimate candidate. 

not always the case, depending on the state, some can register last minute, many others have early deadlines and although this is their own fault, many are not aware that they need to be registered under the party by the deadline which is often well before the primary vote.  This often happens with first time voters.  They go in to vote and end up turned away because they didn't register under the party.  This really comes to mind with Ron Paul because he did indeed have a large connection with the youth as was noted with the massive crowds he attracted at colleges and universities.  In the end, I believe the large following is real and that there are probably real reasons it didn't translate in the polls and in actual votes.  These people wouldn't be the ones called by pollster as they're going from registered lists and of course it's not going to translate into votes either.  I'm actually surprised at how many people fail to register under the party for the candidate they want to vote for in the primary.  And come to think of it, there's a pretty big failure to educate people on the aspects of our system in school so I guess it's not that shocking.  In my case, I fail for two reasons.  I didn't get convinced of Ron Paul until it was to late for my state and I am very reluctant to register republican.  Big problem with me.  So most of my support was geared with the hopes he would bail in time to run independent.  I was almost sure he would and I'm not the only person who felt like that.  There was a big call for him to do that.  Probably from the progressive crowd he attracted.  If you stop to think about it, it is a huge problem for a candidate from one party to gather a majority of support from another party.  I can see how this would indeed cause the number problems we're seeing with Ron Paul.

[Dos Equis]

not always the case, depending on the state, some can register last minute, many others have early deadlines and although this is their own fault, many are not aware that they need to be registered under the party by the deadline which is often well before the primary vote.  This often happens with first time voters.  They go in to vote and end up turned away because they didn't register under the party.  This really comes to mind with Ron Paul because he did indeed have a large connection with the youth as was noted with the massive crowds he attracted at colleges and universities.  In the end, I believe the large following is real and that there are probably real reasons it didn't translate in the polls and in actual votes.  These people wouldn't be the ones called by pollster as they're going from registered lists and of course it's not going to translate into votes either.  I'm actually surprised at how many people fail to register under the party for the candidate they want to vote for in the primary.  And come to think of it, there's a pretty big failure to educate people on the aspects of our system in school so I guess it's not that shocking.  In my case, I fail for two reasons.  I didn't get convinced of Ron Paul until it was to late for my state and I am very reluctant to register republican.  Big problem with me.  So most of my support was geared with the hopes he would bail in time to run independent.  I was almost sure he would and I'm not the only person who felt like that.  There was a big call for him to do that.  Probably from the progressive crowd he attracted.  If you stop to think about it, it is a huge problem for a candidate from one party to gather a majority of support from another party.  I can see how this would indeed cause the number problems we're seeing with Ron Paul.

I'm sort of in the same boat.  I'm going to vote for a Republican in the general, but I refuse to register as a Republican to vote in the primary, because I'm an independent. 

I don't dispute he has a large following.  I've only maintained that he didn't have the support to be elected president. 

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm sort of in the same boat.  I'm going to vote for a Republican in the general, but I refuse to register as a Republican to vote in the primary, because I'm an independent. 

I don't dispute he has a large following.  I've only maintained that he didn't have the support to be elected president. 

how's your state go?  In some states registered independents can for either way in the primary.

[Hugo Chavez]

oh and you kinda did allude to the support for Ron Paul not being authentic.  But not a biggie.  I do think that if he ran independent, he would stand to out perform Ross Perot.  If he's looking to underline his message, I can't think of a better way than to take that shot.  He wouldn't lose his seat.  His voters are following his belief, not his party.  They would elect him as an independent if he failed his run, I have no doubt of that.  So I really believe he's making a colossal error not running as an independent.  Whatever anyone believes, the one true statement is that the time is ripe for a third party candidate to show well in this election.

[Dos Equis]

how's your state go?  In some states registered independents can for either way in the primary.

Actually I should correct my prior statement.  I don't think you have to be registered as a Democrat or Republican to vote in the primary. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Actually I should correct my prior statement.  I don't think you have to be registered as a Democrat or Republican to vote in the primary. 

You have to be registered as a republican to vote for a republican, a dem to vote for a dem and depending on the state, and independent can vote either way.  The deadline will make a huge difference.  If there is no deadline, you can vote whatever and change your affiliation to how you want to vote.

[Dos Equis]

oh and you kinda did allude to the support for Ron Paul not being authentic.  But not a biggie.  I do think that if he ran independent, he would stand to out perform Ross Perot.  If he's looking to underline his message, I can't think of a better way than to take that shot.  He wouldn't lose his seat.  His voters are following his belief, not his party.  They would elect him as an independent if he failed his run, I have no doubt of that.  So I really believe he's making a colossal error not running as an independent.  Whatever anyone believes, the one true statement is that the time ripe for a third party candidate to show well in this election.

I've questioned the extent of his support by people who will actually vote.  So, while he may have a large following, I don't think he has a comparatively large number of voters who support him (not counting the people you mentioned who aren't registered).  I don't give much credence to things like how many times a youtube video has been viewed.  That means nothing to me and certainly does nothing to show he is a legitimate presidential candidate.

I doubt he would do better than Perot.  He doesn't have the money or charisma and I doubt he is as popular as Perot was before he lost his mind.    

[Hugo Chavez]

Perot was before he lost his mind.    

THE NINJAS ARE COMING THE NINJAS ARE COMING

[Dos Equis]

THE NINJAS ARE COMING THE NINJAS ARE COMING

lol.   

[Hugo Chavez]

lol.   

What the hell was that anyway?  I remember sitting there listening to him and all of a sudden, we went into bullshit fantasy mode.

[Dos Equis]

What the hell was that anyway?  I remember sitting there listening to him and all of a sudden, we went into bullshit fantasy mode.

He said Bush Sr. was hiring people to try and ruin his daughter's wedding.  Then he was talking to a room full of black folks and start talking about how his father had always been "good to you people."  Then he dropped out of the race.  Got back in, but the damage had been done. 

[War-Horse]

He said Bush Sr. was hiring people to try and ruin his daughter's wedding.  Then he was talking to a room full of black folks and start talking about how his father had always been "good to you people."  Then he dropped out of the race.  Got back in, but the damage had been done. 

Actually at the end, death threats to his family came in and he said fuck that.

[Hugo Chavez]

He said Bush Sr. was hiring people to try and ruin his daughter's wedding.  Then he was talking to a room full of black folks and start talking about how his father had always been "good to you people."  Then he dropped out of the race.  Got back in, but the damage had been done. 

yea, that was crazy.  That's when I determined he never wanted to be president but was in it to disrupt Bush's chances.  I think he had a vendetta against Bush and it was a power/revenge move.  Just a guess.  If I remember right, there were some past issues between the two.  Something about the hostages maybe?

[Slapper]

That's not the only thing.  They were citing "prison planet" as a source.     It would be different if they just showed an uninterrupted clip.  Instead, there was heavy editing, blurry graphs, innuendo, etc. 

Right, and a "good" source would be CNN, NBC, CBS, CSPAN, etc... you know, the channels that discuss the senate hearings on a baseball player's juicing habits while thousands of American families are losing their homes, the economy is at the verge of recesion and Americans are dying overseas for no apparent reason whatsoever.

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter and I do not know more than you do, but I do know that the media in this country is OFFICIALLY full-o-shit. Hence, in my opinion, prison planet is as good a source as CNN.

[Dos Equis]

Right, and a "good" source would be CNN, NBC, CBS, CSPAN, etc... you know, the channels that discuss the senate hearings on a baseball player's juicing habits while thousands of American families are losing their homes, the economy is at the verge of recesion and Americans are dying overseas for no apparent reason whatsoever.

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter and I do not know more than you do, but I do know that the media in this country is OFFICIALLY full-o-shit. Hence, in my opinion, prison planet is as good a source as CNN.

Isn't prison planet one of the prime sources for that 911 conspiracy crap?

I have a lot of problems with the mainstream media too, but you can't really put C-SPAN in the category of any other news outlet.  They are the best and most unbiased source of political news on TV. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Isn't prison planet one of the prime sources for that 911 conspiracy crap?

I have a lot of problems with the mainstream media too, but you can't really put C-SPAN in the category of any other news outlet.  They are the best and most unbiased source of political news on TV. 

it's not crap

[Dos Equis]

it's not crap

How about "horse manure"?   

[Hugo Chavez]

How about "horse manure"?   

nope

[Dos Equis]

nope

"Cow dung"?  O.K.  I'm done.   

[Hugo Chavez]

"Cow dung"?  O.K.  I'm done.   

no O.K. Me Too

[Slapper]

Isn't prison planet one of the prime sources for that 911 conspiracy crap?

I have a lot of problems with the mainstream media too, but you can't really put C-SPAN in the category of any other news outlet.  They are the best and most unbiased source of political news on TV. 

To be honest with you, I have no idea whether prison planet is behind the 9/11 conspiracy thing, but I do know that CNN, NBC, CBS, et al, "sold us" a war against a sovereign nation that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. So when it comes to credibility I'm pretty much of the opinion that prison planet/CNN/CSPAN/NBC are all the same shit: propaganda machines.

As far as CSPAN is concerned... I do not watch much TV anymore so I can't really tell you how unbiased or skewed they are. For the moment I have not heard anything, any criticism, from the other channels, so they must be following orders pretty well. Meaning they are probably not be deviating all that much from "official" discourse.

[Hugo Chavez]

bump

and it appears he was censored here.  The getbig primary poll thread is gone.  Paul won that by a mile.  I didn't delete it.

[Dos Equis]

bump

and it appears he was censored here.  The getbig primary poll thread is gone.  Paul won that by a mile.  I didn't delete it.

Another conspiracy theory.  lol

But maybe he did get a whopping 20 votes (or whatever) on the getbig.com poll.  And he ruled myspace.  And was the king youtube video views.  Etc., etc. 

[Dos Equis]

The results of the 2008 primary.  He didn't win a single state.  And the only reason he came in second or third in some states is he stayed in the race after every other viable candidate had dropped out. 

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/candidates/#302