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A man of character? Let's get to know John McCain!
« on: February 16, 2008, 07:18:40 PM »
Reagan was the only divorced president in our history.  His wife left him for some loser actor.

Now we have another divorcee running for president, McCain.  Here's the story of how, unlike Reagan, he did not stand by the vows he made......

Excerpted (by me :D) from an article written by Nicholas Kristof.

What do you call a 42 year old married man who goes after a 25 year old girl?  The Republican nominee  :D

In his tiny cubicle in the Russell Senate Office Building, in the lowest foothills of political power, a frustrated Navy officer wrestled with friends over what to do with his life.

It was 1979, and it was becoming clear that he would never make admiral like his father and grandfather. He had always dreamed of doing something great, of imprinting his name on the history books, but at age 42 he found himself with a stuttering military career and no base from which to go into politics.

On top of that, his personal life was a mess: Although he was still living with his wife, he was aggressively courting a 25-year-old woman who was as beautiful as she was rich.

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For a candidate running on character and biography, it is also an awkward time to remember: Mr. McCain abandoned his wife, who had reared their three children while he was in Vietnamese prisons, and he then began his political career with the resources of his new wife's family.
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His wife, Carol, a tall, slim woman who had once been a model, had nearly died in a car wreck in 1969. H. Ross Perot, the businessman and advocate of prisoners of war, had paid for her medical care, but the injuries left her four inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight.

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Mr. McCain has acknowledged running around with women and accepted responsibility for the breakup of the marriage, without going into details.

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Over the next six months, Mr. McCain pursued Miss Hensley aggressively, flying around the country to see her, and he began to push to end his marriage. Friends say that Carol McCain was in shock.

Late that year, the McCains finally separated, and Mrs. McCain accepted a divorce the next February. Mr. McCain promptly married Miss Hensley, his present wife.

.......Mr. McCain's three children in the first marriage were less forgiving .... and none of them were in attendance when he married Cindy. No one blamed Cindy, however, for she seemed shy and it was clear that Mr. McCain had been the pursuer.

Maybe next week we'll do an expose of his involvement with the S&L scandal.  This man makes Giuliani seems like a paragon of virtue. 

For some reason, this post reminded me of this song. Yeah, I know the genders are reversed, but cheating's cheating.


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Re: A man of character? Let's get to know John McCain!
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2008, 07:42:00 PM »
If ya got nothing to hide.........then show us your tax return.

Also note: during the general campaign, McCain's going to make a big deal about his actions on the Commerce Committee.  Just remember that this is a man who "went after big business," after making sure he ensured his future by marrying into big business (see previous post).  Cindy McCain's dad was an Arizon beer magnate....so McCain made sure he took care of no. 1.


As the presidential campaign narrows and its costs skyrocket, detailed disclosure of financial resources becomes ever more important. Of the leading contenders, so far, only Senator Barack Obama has released his full income-tax returns — a level of disclosure once routine for candidates after the political corruption of Watergate.

Release of the tax returns should not be made conditional on winning the nomination, as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has made it. Both Senator John McCain, the Republican front-runner, and she owe it to their parties and to voters to promptly make available their Internal Revenue Service filings, and to respond to any questions about them. It is true that as senators, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain are required to file financial disclosure forms. But those forms present only general parameters of family financial resources, not the detail available on tax returns.

The need for greater transparency regarding the income and overall financial dealings of candidates and their spouses was underscored by Mrs. Clinton’s recent decision to make a $5 million loan to her campaign. Such borrowing is a permitted practice under the campaign laws. But the campaign said the money came from her share of the Clintons’ joint resources, and that calls attention to the lack of information about their family finances. As a former president, Bill Clinton has been making millions annually giving speeches and traveling the globe. What is publicly known about his business dealings is sketchy, and clearer disclosure of them is required to reassure voters that Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy is unencumbered by hidden entanglements.

In the same spirit, the Clintons are obliged to make prompt disclosure of the major donors who have been backing the former president’s library and foundation. It is not even clear whether Mr. Clinton would disclose his library’s donors if his wife won the White House.

Likewise, Senator McCain has yet to release his tax returns, a strange omission for a candidate with a record of supporting strong government ethics measures. A spokesman for Mr. McCain raises the prospect that he may hold back his tax returns through the fall campaign, saying that he would not decide whether to release them until he officially is the Republican nominee. That would neatly thwart the party-vetting process, even if he does finally make the returns public. In the meantime, questions are arising about the senator’s fund-raising as it relates to his position as the former chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee and its regulatory powers over business.

Participation in big-money politics inevitably runs the risk of encountering deep-pocketed benefactors who can become back-slapping embarrassments. Mr. McCain learned that lesson when he was caught up in the Keating Five scandal in the 1980s. The Clintons have also learned this lesson across the years, just as Senator Barack Obama rues what he calls “boneheaded” dealings with Antoin Rezko, a Chicago businessman indicted last fall for fraud and influence peddling.

Mr. Obama felt obliged to return $150,000 in Rezko donations. Critics question why the senator had a favorable land deal with Mr. Rezko even after reports emerged of a federal investigation into Mr. Rezko’s affairs.

The reluctance of Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain to reveal more about their finances ill-serves voters and the nominating process of both parties. It also sets a terrible precedent for future campaigns for important posts at the national and state level.

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Re: A man of character? Let's get to know John McCain!
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2008, 08:07:23 PM »
Ill have to look into this.  But Ive seen the vets are against mccain, because he sold them out for his own skin.....

Yup, I know several Vietnam vets who are still pissed at him for selling out so that Clinton could pursue his foreign policy agenda.  The Vietnamese deigned to deal with Clinton because he successfully avoided being drafted.

It doesn't matter if somebody does get left behind when it's a question of political expediency for McCain. Hahaha....this is a guy who flirted with becomin a Dem. 

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2008, 10:00:37 PM »
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Re: A man of character? Let's get to know John McCain!
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2008, 10:12:28 PM »
I don't personally care about him and what happened with his first right... Sometimes you just marry the wrong person.

Obviously, he's stuck it out with this one.

Either way... I do think he's totally reversing a lot of positions he's had. He called GWB out a few years ago in regards to the war in Iraq and here he is today saying he's going to keep the exact same policy.

WTF?!

The guy is a loon.

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 01:08:13 AM »


Either way... I do think he's totally reversing a lot of positions he's had. He called GWB out a few years ago in regards to the war in Iraq and here he is today saying he's going to keep the exact same policy.

WTF?!

The guy is a loon.

Exactly.

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 02:21:28 AM »
I don't personally care about him and what happened with his first right... Sometimes you just marry the wrong person.


Character is what the Republicans harp on.  McCain left the mother of his children when she was low.  And he did it in a low-down way. 

His present wife has some serious issues too....Issues that he took advantage of to further his ambition to be somebody. 

So, yeah, his policies are loony. They are, like his actions in his personal life, the emanations of a damaged being.  Nobody wants to see a person like that person in charge. People have had enough of sons trying to live up to fathers.  They've had enough of people who can't listen to any voices other than the crazy ones in their head (God, greatness, whatever). 

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Re: A man of character? Let's get to know John McCain!
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 03:08:12 PM »
SInce Sweet CIndy decided to open her yap.........

By Amy Silverman

Oct. 18, 1999 | PHOENIX -- GOP presidential candidate John McCain's wife Cindy took to the airwaves last week, recounting for Jane Pauley (on "Dateline") and Diane Sawyer (on "Good Morning America") the tale of her onetime addiction to Percocet and Vicodin, and the fact that she stole the drugs from her own nonprofit medical relief organization.

It was a brave and obviously painful thing to do.

It was also vintage McCain media manipulation.

I had d�j� vu watching Cindy McCain on television, perky in a purple suit with tinted pearls to match. It was so reminiscent of the summer day in 1994 when suddenly, years after she'd claimed to have kicked her habit, McCain decided to come clean to the world about her addiction to prescription painkillers.

I believe she wore red that day. She granted semi-exclusive interviews to one TV station and three daily newspaper reporters in Arizona, tearfully recalling her addiction, which came about after painful back and knee problems and was exacerbated by the stress of the Keating Five banking scandal that had ensnared her husband. To make matters worse, McCain admitted, she had stolen the drugs from the American Voluntary Medical Team, her own charity, and had been investigated by the Drug Enforcement Administration.

The local press cooed over her hard-luck story. One of the four journalists spoon-fed the story -- Doug McEachern, then a reporter for Tribune Newspapers, now a columnist with the Arizona Republic (and, it must be added, normally much more acerbic) -- wrote this rather typical lead:

"She was blonde and beautiful. A rich man's daughter who became a politically powerful man's wife. She had it all, including an insidious addiction to drugs that sapped the beauty from her life like a spider on a butterfly."

What McEachern and the others didn't know was that, far from being a simple, honest admission designed to clear her conscience and help other addicts, Cindy McCain's storytelling had been orchestrated by Jay Smith, then John McCain's Washington campaign media advisor. And it was intended to divert attention from a different story, a story that was getting quite messy.

I know, because I had been working on that story for months at Phoenix New Times. I had finally tracked down the public records that confirmed Cindy McCain's addiction and much more, and the McCains knew I was about to get them. Cindy's tale was released on the day the records were made public.

But the story I was pursuing was not so much about Cindy McCain's unfortunate addiction. It was much more about her efforts to keep that story from coming to light, and the possible manipulation of the criminal justice system by her husband and his cohorts. The irony is that Cindy's secret would have stayed secret if John McCain's heavy-hitting lawyer, John Dowd (of D.C.'s Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld; his most recent claim to fame was serving as co-counsel for fellow partner Vernon Jordan during impeachment) hadn't heavy-handedly pulled out all the stops to protect the McCain family.

Dowd tried to get back at the man on Cindy McCain's staff, Tom Gosinski, who had blown the whistle on her drug pilfering to the DEA. But in the course of trying to get local law enforcement officials to investigate Gosinski -- Dowd and the McCains considered him an extortionist; others might call him a whistleblower -- Dowd set in motion a process that would eventually bring the whole sordid story to light. When that maneuver backfired, the McCain media machine went into overdrive to spin the story.

It's a story of unintended consequences. It's also a story of power politics and media manipulation that's very un-McCain-like -- if you believe his national media hagiography.

But both of Cindy McCain's staged, teary drug-addiction confessions have been vintage John McCain. His MO is this: Get the story out -- even if it's a negative story. Get it out first, with the spin you want, with the details you want and without the details you don't want.

McCain did it with the Keating Five, and with the story of the failure of his first marriage (Cindy is his second wife). So what you recall after the humble, honest interview, is not that McCain did favors for savings and loan failure Charlie Keating, or that he cheated on his wife, but instead what an upfront, righteous guy he is.

Candor is the McCain trademark, but what the journalists who slobber over the senator fail to realize is that the candor is premeditated and polished. John McCain shoots from the hip -- but only after carefully rehearsing the battle plan, to be sure he won't get shot himself.

This is the story of a time that strategy backfired, and yet the McCain machine still managed to contain the damage

In the early 1990s, Tom Gosinski was the director of government and international affairs for the American Voluntary Medical Team, which did relief and medical volunteer work in third world countries.

Hired by Cindy McCain in 1991, Gosinski enjoyed his job, but he began to notice McCain's erratic behavior in the summer of 1992. In his journal, he wrote that he and others suspected the boss was addicted to painkillers and might have been stealing them from the organization.

From Gosinski's journal, July 27, 1992:

    I have always wondered why John McCain has done nothing to fix the problem. He must either not see that a problem exists or ... not choose to do anything about it. It would seem that it would be in everyone's best interest to come to terms with the situation. And do whatever is necessary to fix it. There is so much at risk: The welfare of the children; John's political career; the integrity of Hensley & Company [Cindy's parents' business]; the welfare of Jim and Smitty Hensley [Cindy's parents]; and the health and happiness of Cindy McCain.

    The aforementioned matters are of great concern to those directly involved but my main concern is the ability of AVMT to survive a major shake-up. If the DEA were to ever conduct an audit of AVMT's inventory, I am afraid of what the results might be ... It is because of [Cindy McCain's] willingness to jeopardize the credibility of those who work for her that I truly worry.

    During my short tenure at AVMT I have been surrounded by what on the surface appears to be the ultimate all-American family. In reality, I am working for a very sad, lonely woman whose marriage of convenience to a U.S. Senator has driven her to: distance herself from friends; cover feelings of despair with drugs; and replace lonely moments with self-indulgences.

In his journal-writing over the next few months, Gosinski would alternately complain about Cindy McCain and express concern for her well-being.

In January 1993, McCain fired Gosinski. She told him that AVMT was having financial problems and couldn't afford him.

Gosinski had already come to suspect that Cindy McCain had gotten volunteer doctors with AVMT to sign prescriptions for her, and had used employees' names to fill them. Worried his own name had been used (he would eventually learn that it had), Gosinski approached DEA agents in the spring of 1993 to report McCain's suspicious behavior. The DEA launched an investigation.

Almost a year later, with the statute of limitations about to run out, Gosinski hired a labor attorney and sued Cindy McCain for wrongful termination. He intended to claim that she fired him because she suspected he knew about her addiction, but the lawsuit never got that far. Instead, Gosinski's attorney wrote to the McCains, asking for a settlement of $250,000.

Rumors about the untold details of the lawsuit hit the cocktail-party circuit that spring, but the story was locked up tight. As a federal criminal investigation, the DEA probe was completely secret; none of it was public record.

The entire story would likely have gone unreported if attorney John Dowd hadn't entered the picture. He wrote to Maricopa County attorney Richard Romley, a political ally of McCain, and asked him to investigate Gosinski for extortion.

"We believe that Mr. Gosinski is aware that in the past Cindy had an addiction to prescription painkillers ... Given Cindy's public position, exposure of this sensitive matter would harm her reputation, career, the operation of AVMT, and subject her to contempt and ridicule," Dowd wrote on April 28, 1994.

Thus began the inadvertent outing of Cindy McCain. Although the federal investigative materials were not public, the county investigative materials were. Romley launched an investigation, and one of the first things his people did, naturally, was ask the feds to turn over their investigative materials.

New Times finally got hold of the county investigative materials and we did our own story. So did the Arizona Republic, which was uncharacteristically aggressive, perhaps because the McCain machine had left the paper out of the loop on the story of Cindy's addiction.

Among the questions asked: Did Cindy McCain get preferential treatment by the feds? True, Cindy was a first-time offender, which partially explains the fact that she did no prison time; instead, she entered a diversion program. But at the time, defense lawyers told New Times that if Cindy McCain had been a poor minority and not married to a U.S. senator, she likely would have been locked up.

Did Gosinski intend to blackmail Cindy McCain? He told New Times he didn't. Other AVMT employees told county investigators that he did. But the time line makes extortion hard to believe, since Gosinski had already gone to the DEA before he brought his lawsuit against the McCains.

In any case, Tom Gosinski didn't out Cindy McCain. John Dowd did, and then Jay Smith was called in for the clean-up.

A few postscripts: Tom Gosinski left town shortly after Cindy McCain's story broke. By that time, his lawsuit had died, ignored. The county did not pursue the extortion investigation against him.

John Max Johnson, the doctor who had written the prescriptions for Cindy McCain, surrendered his medical license.

Cindy McCain still does relief work and raises the McCains' four children.

John McCain, of course, is running for president.

And only a handful of people remember the details of Cindy McCain's 1994 "outing" for drug addiction and drug pilfering, and the work of the McCain machine to protect her.

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Re: A man of character? Let's get to know John McCain!
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 04:28:40 PM »
U had better find more then this.....nobody cares...S@L scandal sure..leaving his wife..drugs...sorry that shit floated in the 80's.  Obama wasa pothead...not working...but if we dug on Obama that would be racist and right wing propaganda right?
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 04:36:45 PM »
U had better find more then this.....nobody cares...S@L scandal sure..leaving his wife..drugs...sorry that shit floated in the 80's.

Translation: I'm willing for John to fucck me over same as he fucked over everyone else.

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Obama wasa pothead...not working...but if we dug on Obama that would be racist and right wing propaganda right?

Oh, waaah.  Dig all you want.  'cause you know for any tablespoon of dirt you got on Obama, there'd be a truckload of shit on McCain. 

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 04:45:44 PM »
I've read his Bio...or the book  The Nightingale’s Song...this guy was a pussy and Boozehound....none of it will matter..his experience as opposed to Obama's lack. This isn't about wives its about fixing the country and Obama will both bankrupt and leave us in a more dangerous place. Have u read his ridiculous economic plan..u couldn't hope to accomplish it. His plan for Iraq...ridiculous....eit her we're there or we're out. Bserk is planning a sticky for the candidates..once he gets the nom...I'll be sure to fill it with this guys ineptness.
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 04:56:00 PM »
I've read his Bio...or the book  The Nightingale’s Song...this guy was a pussy and Boozehound....none of it will matter..his experience as opposed to Obama's lack. This isn't about wives its about fixing the country and Obama will both bankrupt and leave us in a more dangerous place. Have u read his ridiculous economic plan..u couldn't hope to accomplish it. His plan for Iraq...ridiculous....eit her we're there or we're out. Bserk is planning a sticky for the candidates..once he gets the nom...I'll be sure to fill it with this guys ineptness.

His experience is a crock. He served on the ASC for twenty years and look at the condition our Dept of Def/military.  We've thrown so much money at military spending, and what do we have to show for it? Soldiers without body armor is only the beginning of the story. 

If I want a man with a proven track record of helping ruin great things, I'll be sure to vote for McCain.

Yes, I've read Obama's plan, and I did so with a more sophisticated eye than yours. 

And you and your buddies keep whining about higher taxes. I make a whole lot more than you do (unless you're secretly selling off military "surplus"), and you know what, I'm not troubled by higher taxes. I'm willing to pay more for certain things.  Emphasis on clean energy, infrastructure, and some other government programs.

The Republicans/established politiicans have ruined a great thing, and i'm ready for a CHANGE.   ;)

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 05:10:42 PM »
His experience is a crock. He served on the ASC for twenty years and look at the condition our Dept of Def/military.  We've thrown so much money at military spending, and what do we have to show for it? Soldiers without body armor is only the beginning of the story. 

If I want a man with a proven track record of helping ruin great things, I'll be sure to vote for McCain.

Yes, I've read Obama's plan, and I did so with a more sophisticated eye than yours. 

And you and your buddies keep whining about higher taxes. I make a whole lot more than you do (unless you're secretly selling off military "surplus"), and you know what, I'm not troubled by higher taxes. I'm willing to pay more for certain things.  Emphasis on clean energy, infrastructure, and some other government programs.

The Republicans/established politiicans have ruined a great thing, and i'm ready for a CHANGE.   ;)


See as usual the Left slings names and bullshit..so lets break it down idiot shall we...




What do we have to show for it...we are the worlds only Superpower...there isn't a country that can challange us. Nobody.....forget Iraq...much like I couldn't possibly understand Obama's economic plan like u..what u know about fighting a counter insurgency would fill a thimble.....any more insults....typical leftist atitude. Next my paycheck...I make plenty of money..I have no idea what u do and could care less...my pay is easily found on the net, I can't lie. Next time I deploy overseas..I'll make over 100 grand..guess what..if I made 10 bucks...its my ten bucks ..not Mr Obama's. I can spend my own money thank u...ur argument is so juvenile..it boils down to ..I'm stupid and u make more money...congrats i guess u won that argument. Thats whats wrong with u Leftists....when u can't find a rational argument that U haven't cut and pasted..u call names like a child...go suck ur thumb dumbass.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 05:20:42 PM »
when u can't find a rational argument that U haven't cut and pasted..u call names like a child...go suck ur thumb dumbass.


meltdown.

Oh, the irony. Look at the post that you quoted, and then look at yours. Typical Republican "victim" mentality.... ::)

The only reason I said I made a whole lot more money was in case you thought I didn't care about higher taxes because I wouldn't have to pay them. I really could not care less about what someone makes/has. 

We are the world's only superpower?  Why don't you tell that to Putin?  And in ten years to China?

Let me spell it out for you. He helped squander my money, little John McCain did. 

If you pay a billion dollars for a $500 million house, you would have the most expensive house on the planet, but you would have still overpaid $500 million for it.  Maybe that will get through to you.... ::)

And if you know so much about fighting insurgencies, perhaps you can tell us how the ASC and the DoD pretty much left you out there with nothing practical. Hahahahahahahahaha....an d suddenly the ranking member of the ASC is going to be the man with the plan.

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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2008, 05:26:51 PM »
Meltdown...who called who dumb...anyway what? Left us out where....if u had a grasp of history u'd know that it takes time to figure things out..we adapted pretty friggen quick...I had plenty of body-armor..again more leftist bullshit.  I got 25 grand to spend on my guys..over and above all the regular special issue shit we got for our last deployment..that was 25 grand for 8 guys....We had everything we needed times two...eveything from reading lights to Asps....victim mentality....u guys want it both ways...u want to sling mud and then cry foul. Its funny how quickly u guys devolve into name calling.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2008, 05:33:32 PM »
China is two generations of military equipment and training behind the US...we have said it and they have admitted it. They are ok in some areas but lack a blue water navy..heavy lift capability and sustainability on the level that the US is very good at. Also they have not fought a war in avery long time. The Russians have plenty of money...but have been stuck in  Chechnya for years without success..and before u draw similarities....their ROE is ridiculous...they broke out flamethrowers and thermabaric weapons...plus there was barely any Western media coverage..imagine being able to fight like that in Iraq...the war would be over quickly....they are fighting the same type of war...but technology can't beat an enemy like this...u have to be able to adapt..u have to have professional warriors and a dedicated NCO corp..they have neither.
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2008, 05:38:31 PM »
Right wing republican vs. Left wing democrat

Classic...

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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2008, 05:39:57 PM »
Meltdown...who called who dumb...anyway what? Left us out where....if u had a grasp of history u'd know that it takes time to figure things out..we adapted pretty friggen quick...I had plenty of body-armor..again more leftist bullshit.  I got 25 grand to spend on my guys..over and above all the regular special issue shit we got for our last deployment..that was 25 grand for 8 guys....We had everything we needed times two...eveything from reading lights to Asps....victim mentality....u guys want it both ways...u want to sling mud and then cry foul. Its funny how quickly u guys devolve into name calling.

1.  funny, the same "leftist rags" I was reading said that the army brass knew what was needed before the invasion, but it was the politicians who wouldn't get on board.  Now I stand corrected: Army brass just as out of it/dumb as politicians (McCain).

(Funny thing is I actually remember McCain criticizing Bush over the war. and then he  did his patented about-turn and sold out. SO much for leadership.)

2.  I'm glad you had body armor.  Guess neither of us should give a shit for the hundreds who didn't have it when they needed it.  Or maybe all those injured soldiers were just conjured up by leftist rags.