Phil Looked more ripped at the Colorado Pro then the Ironman

[MattT]

IMO Phil actually looks tighter at last years Colorado Pro, with added size come loss of detail and separation. Yeh overall he looks better at the Ironman, but definitely was not in his all time best condition.

[Parker]

IMO Phil actually looks tighter at last years Colorado Pro, with added size come loss of detail and separation. Yeh overall he looks better at the Ironman, but definitely was not in his all time best condition.

That's because he hasn't peaked yet. The Arnold is were you peak. The Ironman is a gauge to see you need to be.

[Disgusted]

No, it's because             never mind.

[flexingtonsteele]

about the same conditioning, but his colour was better in colorado, thats why he looks more cut.

yes even black men need to tan.

[io856]

No, it's because             never mind.

Go ahead

[Disgusted]

about the same conditioning, but his colour was better in colorado, thats why he looks more cut.

yes even black men need to tan.

Look again. Delts, brachialis bicep tie in, I could go on, are all way sharper.

[240 is Back]

No, it's because             never mind.

is there something?

he's bigger now, but he was ripped to shreds last year.


let's not talk about phil heath.

let's talk about bodybuilders in general.  Let's just suppose any competitor comes in less sharp yet bigger, with changed tie-ins as we see on Phil.  What would be the cause of this, in any generic bodybuilder (not phil, we're just talking hypotheticals)

[MattT]

about the same conditioning, but his colour was better in colorado, thats why he looks more cut.

yes even black men need to tan.

lol its not his color that makes him look more cut, its just that he's was in better condition last year.  Look at the separation in his arms compared to the ironman pic.

[gh15]

is there something?

he's bigger now, but he was ripped to shreds last year.


let's not talk about phil heath.

let's talk about bodybuilders in general.  Let's just suppose any competitor comes in less sharp yet bigger, with changed tie-ins as we see on Phil.  What would be the cause of this, in any generic bodybuilder (not phil, we're just talking hypotheticals)

his growth since last year is only as result of more drug dosage and products,,he thickened himself due to use of insulin growth in combo with aas,,,there is no hard trainign growth here only growth due to use of drugs ,,inadditin few bodyparts didnt grow and wont because they cant  and thats why he is narrow

the more insulin and gh you use the less sharp you will look,,some can carry it and some not ,,but heath just doesnt have the capacity to carry size ron or  chris carried,,he just doesnt frame as well as chris levrone ron myself etc,,he has a frame of ray but hes taller ,,,in this day it will be enough though because ow days the competiton is horrid ,,,again wolf should be mr o if there is fairness in bodybuilding

[flexingtonsteele]

Look again. Delts, brachialis bicep tie in, I could go on, are all way sharper.

very true, but i think his colour was horrible at the ironman and that the lights on that stage made him look a lot better than what he was really was that day.

I mean look how good melvin looked two weeks out. Melvin is never in that good of shape two weeks out.

Thats why i think all this the arnold is phil heaths to lose is bullshit. The lighting made him look better than he really did and his true colours will show at the arnold.

Third place at best.

[Disgusted]

is there something?

he's bigger now, but he was ripped to shreds last year.


let's not talk about phil heath.

let's talk about bodybuilders in general.  Let's just suppose any competitor comes in less sharp yet bigger, with changed tie-ins as we see on Phil.  What would be the cause of this, in any generic bodybuilder (not phil, we're just talking hypotheticals)

Hypothetically speaking of course.

[240 is Back]

Heath did some growing this year, no doubt about that.

He's bigger, but is he better?

[gh15]

very true, but i think his colour was horrible at the ironman and that the lights on that stage made him look a lot better than what he was really was that day.

I mean look how good melvin looked two weeks out. Melvin is never in that good of shape two weeks out.

Thats why i think all this the arnold is phil heaths to lose is bullshit. The lighting made him look better than he really did and his true colours will show at the arnold.

Third place at best.

no,,
you need to understand how bodybuiling industry work,,,you have weader and his son arnold,,,their say is everything and anything in bodybuilding,,arnold doesnt have much time to go into detail and is into politics ,,,weider is out of it officially but unofficially both weider play a major roll and if endorsing someone will push it to the final end,,,

weider LOVES heath ,,,heath doesnt  have problem with law,,,heath come as good clean kid,,,heath come and smily guy that dont cheat and keep to himself ,,,heath come as a nice ray with out the talk back that ray used to give and couple more inches in height,,,

dexter is a better bodybuildr but old,,,heath will be pushed as hard as possible to win the arnold no matter his chest is like a 16 year old boy he will pushed as hard as possible and has the other body parts to win the arnold ,,,

dexter ,,everyone on planet eath know should be right now mr o and win the arnold for the 3rd time in a row but look who win o,,,

heath will be pushed as hard a possible inorder for anything else to change dex must come 100% and knock out weider because you dont win weider respect by points ONLY by knock out..otherwize its jason ...then heath ....if wolf is to win o it will have to be by a knock out to weider not by points

[Disgusted]

very true, but i think his colour was horrible at the ironman and that the lights on that stage made him look a lot better than what he was really was that day.

I mean look how good melvin looked two weeks out. Melvin is never in that good of shape two weeks out.

Thats why i think all this the arnold is phil heaths to lose is bullshit. The lighting made him look better than he really did and his true colours will show at the arnold.

Third place at best.

Agreed that unless he comes in sharper Dexter will beat him and maybe Melvin. Yes, Melvin did look pretty good. I hope he doesn't drop too much water.

[MattT]

It even looks like he's less vascular in the ironman pics.  And his skin looks thinner in the Colorado pics

[240 is Back]

those arms look cartoonish in the second picture.  insane.

[gh15]

its simply amazing how narrow thie kid is ,,i never payed much attention to it untill all the other bodyparts grew but now looking back you can tell his uppoer torse chest and shoulders = 18 year old kid who play with some weight in gym,,wouldnt even win local in america if didnt have the arms

[flexingtonsteele]

It even looks like he's less vascular in the ironman pics.  And his skin looks thinner in the Colorado pics

very true

[240 is Back]

its simply amazing how narrow thie kid is ,,i never payed much attention to it untill all the other bodyparts grew but now looking back you can tell his uppoer torse chest and shoulders = 18 year old kid who play with some weight in gym,,wouldnt even win local in america if didnt have the arms

As he got bigger, the narrowness became more obvious.

Do you think in Spring of 2009, when he's 10 pounds bigger, he is going to look seriously odd?

[gh15]

As he got bigger, the narrowness became more obvious.

Do you think in Spring of 2009, when he's 10 pounds bigger, he is going to look seriously odd?

oh he is very odd looking,,very very very weird looking,,he is like short dillet but mising upper torse,,its like a skinny guy with big arms and legs that you see in many gyms around the world only that his arms and legs are more detailed but it will be lost too if adding 20 more lb

im tellin you this is nothingness ,,,i really had time to check this competitor closely last week ,,and he is what you call a freak very similar to lee priest ,,

this is my opionon aboutthe matter

heath WILL BE MR O
heath DOES NOT AND SHOULD NEVER BE MR O ,,DILLET WAS BETTER PRIEST WAS BETTER AND THEY NEVER TOUCHED THE TITLE AND HE SHOULDNT EAITHER BUT PAY ATTENTION HOW IT IS BUILT UP FOR AMERICAN TO BE NEXT O AND HEATH IS AMERICAN AND NO MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH LAW IN PAST

he just look like skinny guy with arm and legs ,,this is 165lb within 6 months off hormones,,i am willing to bet 10 k that this kid is 165-180lb within first year off hormones

[hardkor]

MAYBE SHARPER...BUT ALSO FLATTER.  

TO COME IN AS BIG AND FULL AS PHIL DID, WITH THAT TYPE OF CONDITIONING...I'D SAY HE "NAILED" IT!! VERY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE BOTH...

[MattT]

I think heath has simlar bone structure to Kevin, they both have very short shoulder bone width, but because they both have such huge delts, it makes up for it.

[gh15]

I think heath has simlar bone structure to Kevin, they both have very short shoulder bone width, but because they both have such huge delts, it makes up for it.

no,,kevin pecs are to this day one of the best in the business,,his pecs were always very very good,,he also gave the illusion of being very very wide because he wasnt as thick as the kid,,his waist was tighter ,, and shoulders gave ilssuion of being super wide due to AMAZING OUT OF THIS WORLD V TAPER,,,

kevin is top 5 bodybuilders in history of bodybuilding with out holding o title,,face to face to this day i never met a person stronger than kvin in the bench press,,and i never met someone with such phenominal structure for bodybuilding as kevin put aside ron and arnold ,,

heath is no kevin not even remotely close

[Brutal_1]

IMO Phil actually looks tighter at last years Colorado Pro, with added size come loss of detail and separation. Yeh overall he looks better at the Ironman, but definitely was not in his all time best condition.

No, I agree completely.

I'd hate to say that it's due to insulin.......but, it's due to insulin 

He still looks awesome, and with the added size, to me, seems much more impressive. 

I just hope he can reap all the benefits of insulin before the negatives start kicking in....like the "insulin abs" 

[Atlantic]

could be the color