Author Topic: Mike Ashley  (Read 6074 times)

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2008, 09:25:10 AM »
is that yolanda hughes with him?

beautiful woman.

Yep.  Foxy lady!

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2008, 09:28:06 AM »
Don't know about "trainer" but he was connected to BALCO.

who, ashley or conte?

i think ashley was claiming natural status well before balco.

btw, have you witnessed the beautiful Yolanda Hughes Van Bilderass?

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2008, 09:35:23 AM »
At the Arnoldīs which Ashley won they did drug testing.....Ashley placed 2nd before the drug testing results where coming out. I met him the following week after this AC in Europe, where he did a seminar-Tour with a sponsor (Natures Best). I spoke to him in the locker room of a gym in Belgium (Malmedy) and asked him about the results of the AC. Mike Ashley answered that he placed 2nd, because even at that time he did not know that Shawn Ray failled the drug test.


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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2008, 09:37:54 AM »
who, ashley or conte?

i think ashley was claiming natural status well before balco.

btw, have you witnessed the beautiful Yolanda Hughes Van Bilderass?

Conte said Mike Ashley was one of his star clients.

Yolanda is not my cup of tea, not that she is ugly or anything. Pretty good looking for a female bodybuilder  :D

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2008, 09:46:16 AM »
Conte said Mike Ashley was one of his star clients.

Yolanda is not my cup of tea, not that she is ugly or anything. Pretty good looking for a female bodybuilder  :D

seriously ???

i remember this guy really pushed the natural tag, would happily talk about it all the time. all the mags did too.

fuck these guy. why do they feel they have to get on their 'natural' soap box. that's much worse than using and saying nothing.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2008, 09:55:47 AM »
seriously ???

i remember this guy really pushed the natural tag, would happily talk about it all the time. all the mags did too.

fuck these guy. why do they feel they have to get on their 'natural' soap box. that's much worse than using and saying nothing.

In Ashley's defense he was plugging the ZMA and other nutritional supplements. AFAIK he isn't competing in any sports so he wouldn't have any need for exotic drugs. But then again I think Conte had a hook-up for GH etc too.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2008, 11:13:09 AM »
when he was bodybuilding he said he was natural but he didn't mention it when he was a bloated 21 year old powerlifter.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2008, 01:25:23 PM »
I have a lot of pictures of Mike in my 1987 Mr. Olympia gallery.  Full review:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1987mrolympiadvdreview.html

While I doubt he was natural, I believe he only weighed in at 190.
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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2008, 02:07:25 PM »
seriously ???

i remember this guy really pushed the natural tag, would happily talk about it all the time. all the mags did too.

fuck these guy. why do they feel they have to get on their 'natural' soap box. that's much worse than using and saying nothing.

Methinks he doth protest too much

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2008, 04:11:19 PM »
I have a lot of pictures of Mike in my 1987 Mr. Olympia gallery.  Full review:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1987mrolympiadvdreview.html

While I doubt he was natural, I believe he only weighed in at 190.

Yet another contest at which Bertil Fox got screwed.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2008, 04:14:43 PM »
BTW, this guy Paul Jean Guillaume, also claimed to be natural.




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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2008, 04:19:00 PM »
Paul Jean-Guillaume weighed 176, so you never know.  Being screwed over was a common thing in Bertil's career.  In the documentary "Death and the bodybuilder" an IFBB judge of his day even said that it wasn't enough for Bertil to simply have the physique and everything that went with it.  He specifically stated that personality played a role.  :-\
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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2008, 04:53:45 PM »
Paul Jean-Guillaume weighed 176, so you never know.  Being screwed over was a common thing in Bertil's career.  In the documentary "Death and the bodybuilder" an IFBB judge of his day even said that it wasn't enough for Bertil to simply have the physique and everything that went with it.  He specifically stated that personality played a role.  :-\
Bertil fox had a tremendous physique with unparalleled thickness for his era. But he had serious self-esteem issues which caused him to project himself as a loser during pre-judging. Also he hit his mandatory poses awkwardly and missed his peak for a few shows. However, at the 83 Mr. Olympia, he was at his best and he actually posed well enough to make Arnold Schwarzenegger jump out of his seat and yell, "Yeahh. that's a Mr. Olympia right there!" Samir won and Bertil got given an unfair 5th place. From this, HE NEVER RECOVERED! And like Mentzer, after his 5th place at the '80 Olympia, he Snapped. Only instead of becoming a Meth addict and wandering the streets, he blew away his girlfriend and her mother with a gun.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2008, 05:51:53 PM »
Did mentzer really do meth??    Man this sport leaves em to rot in hell.. :-\

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2008, 07:09:19 PM »
Was Ashley there?  That guy was awesome way back when.  I liked him better than Gaspari in those days.  One of the greats from those days.
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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2008, 08:19:15 PM »
Did mentzer really do meth??    Man this sport leaves em to rot in hell.. :-\
Mike wasn't some dumb drug addict, but he got into amphetamine use because he believed it made him extremely productive. He started using before the 80 Olympia. Then after his 5th place finish, he became convinced that sinister forces were conspiring against him. He started a fitness magazine and was putting in 15 hour days and starting using more and more speed to handle everything. Then his dad died, his magazine crumbled and things started to spiral downward.  Amphetamines used to excess can cause psychosis. He totally snapped and spent about 7 years wandering the streets of LA, seeing aliens, directing traffic and hallucinating. He became such a raving lunatic, he was institutionalized over 10 times. Then, when he got off the Meth, he started to get back to normal..became a trainer and started doing pretty good again, although he kept drinking heavily. Unfortunately between his genetic predisposition for heart problems, the juice, and amphetamine abuse, he died in his mid 50's. His brother Ray died two days later of kidney failure. Sad. He had a great physique in his prime and was a pretty bright guy.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2008, 08:25:38 PM »
for a guy claiming to be 100% natural.....he sure did shrink after not competing

BINGO-if he was drug free back in the 90's he would be the same size, or close to it.

Plus there are no drug free BBer's that had his hardness and cuts.


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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2008, 08:28:27 PM »
BTW, this guy Paul Jean Guillaume, also claimed to be natural.





Paul WAS drug free. there is no doubt on that one.

I trained around the guy for years-and he was 100% clean. He won the Nationals at Middleweight-176#.

He did get bigger in the pro's but not over 210 or so.

Best physique I ever saw. Blew Nasser away for shape.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2008, 08:31:41 PM »
Paul WAS drug free. there is no doubt on that one.

I trained around the guy for years-and he was 100% clean. He won the Nationals at Middleweight-176#.

He did get bigger in the pro's but not over 210 or so.

Best physique I ever saw. Blew Nasser away for shape.
I also believe he happened to be natural.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2008, 09:06:23 PM »
Let this be a lesson to all black men.  He looks very happy and it because appears to be living half way civilized (aka white).  Your jive talk and weak tribal monotone is a recipe for misery and false manhood.  But do whatever you want :)
Civilization didn't start nor end with white people. There are ends of the spectrum in all cultures. Claim those KKK degenerate and Columbine idiots as being civilized. But it seems like ignorance is genetic to the human race...   
just remember that during the next mall shooting, or white guy who have black men have sex with their wives while they jerk off. Yep, to be civilized...woo hoo :-\

Just say Mike Ashley looks good and move on. Just like Shawn Ray or Beau Matlock (not a ASC winner) or Vince Taylor, all look good for their age.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2008, 09:08:58 PM »
Paul Jean-Guillaume weighed 176, so you never know. 

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Yes, and he's also short, so that may have something to do with why he was a pro bodybuilder at only 176lbs.   ::)

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2008, 09:13:08 PM »
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Yes, and he's also short, so that may have something to do with why he was a pro bodybuilder at only 176lbs.   ::)

How tall was he he? I always thought that he was 5'9-5'10. It was the other Frenchman, Thierry Pastel that was like 5'2.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2008, 09:18:32 PM »
bertil had some issues but his physique at his peak was awesome.

i don't understand why the powers that be let morons judge bbing contests. you want to get large paying audiences at your venue, you need the best quality physiques. to get the best quality physiques, you reward the best on the night so they go away motivated to come back better than ever next time = larger audience. it's not hard.

bertil was a genetic monster with a gift to inspire awe that, in any other sport, would have been promoted and rewarded to the extreme. instead of doing this, as typical with the ifbb and why they still don't get asses on seats, they just let fox languish, become unmotivated and fade away.

i was a big fan of brutal and if i saw him on the cover of a mag or an training article, i paid attention and money, as did my school friends. makes me wonder now what we could have seen from fox if he was given fair play and motivated to get even better.

what he did in the end might have happened anyway. he may have been a lunatic for all i know but i don't see the sense in fucking over a guy with issues, especially if said guy is willing to put some effort in to accomplish something in his life. all that does is confirm to him that society sux and there's no use trying to improve because you will never be treated any different. this is how fox ended up...sad.  

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2008, 03:33:14 AM »
Paul Jean-Guillaume weighed 176, so you never know. 
Never look at just bodyweight to determine if someone is natural.


He won the Nationals at Middleweight-176#.

He did get bigger in the pro's but not over 210 or so.



You do not put on 34lbs of LBM after you've turned pro without drugs.

As far as Ashley, he wasn't anything close to natural. Had gyno too.

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Re: Mike Ashley
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2008, 05:43:08 AM »
Never look at just bodyweight to determine if someone is natural.

You do not put on 34lbs of LBM after you've turned pro without drugs.

As far as Ashley, he wasn't anything close to natural. Had gyno too.

never look at what someone says either, no matter how many stacks of bibles he swears on while at the same time being a devout christian.

some people are good liars and some are better.