The irony of the puppy thread...

[G o a t b o y]

worse....what becomes of them when you have animal killers & killers of innocent people return to society

Ahhh, so you've seen First Blood also?   

[~flower~]

You are turning this into something that is is clearly not. I never said don't enjoy your life. I am not mourning over it all the time. I spend too much time trying to pay the bills and get my money together and stare at Dennis Wolf's most muscular. I didn't say they should feel gulity I said they should get their priorities straight. Big Difference.

  and you have your priorities straight by being concerned with other people's priorities

     

[knny187]

Ahhh, so you've seen First Blood also?   

Rambo didn't kill innocent civilians

or puppies

[Brutal_1]

 So you think it'd be better if this was considered just another day at the office?



  Maybe that's why the world is so fucked up, because people just say oh well.


   Maybe some people are more compassionate and are able to care about more than one cause or issue at a time.

     Maybe if more people could do that it would help stop the fuckeduppideness of the world.
   

Well, what exactly do you think these kids are out there to do? Talk politics???  They're there to kill...so yeah, for them, death IS just another day at the office.

I agree about people becoming apathetic, which only allows things like this to continue.  My only point is, there are/were MANY other opportunities to make noise about this long before this video came out.


Yes...the world is f@@@@ up....that's when the "black boots" come in to clean it up...SEMPER FI!

[G o a t b o y]

Rambo didn't kill innocent civilians

or puppies

Sure he did.  Besides, what do you care?  He was Army, not USMC.

[Brutal_1]

worse....what becomes of them when you have animal killers & killers of innocent people return to society

They didn't go to boot camp and months of intense training for "returning back to society"  

[kiwiol]

You are turning this into something that is is clearly not. I never said don't enjoy your life. I am not mourning over it all the time. I spend too much time trying to pay the bills and get my money together and stare at Dennis Wolf's most muscular. I didn't say they should feel gulity I said they should get their priorities straight. Big Difference.

Their priorities is not for you to rectify or help improve mate. I'll be honest with you - I don't give a shit about a lot of the bad stuff in the world cause I've been through some incredibly traumatic phases of life myself. Do I like the fact that there is so much suffering in the world and / or that I can't do much about it at present? Absolutely not. So do I then use that as an excuse to try and stop others from expressing indignation at a cold blooded act of atrocity that in the grand scheme of things doesn't measure up to the worst out there? Again, not at all.

You keep saying that people shouldn't get so worked up because there is worse stuff happening elsewhere to people. I'm just saying that the worse stuff is always happening and therefore, you should just carry on with your life and do what you can to help, because you can't let the worse stuff make you turn a blind eye towards something that's less insignificant.

[knny187]

They didn't go to boot camp and months of intense training for "returning back to society"  

they didn't go to bootcamp to learn how to kill innocent farmers & civilans

dumbass

 

[Brutal_1]

they didn't go to bootcamp to learn how to kill innocent farmers & civilans

dumbass

 

I saw that comeback a mile away...

[MB_722]

Wrong. Everything has a value only in a context. You might treasure a possession of yours that I don't give a shit about. So when that thing breaks, I'm not going to feel anything unlike you who is going to feel a lot of pain. In the same way, in your scale of evaluation, a person's life has a lot of value compared to an animal's life that has no value. In the case of someone like ~Flower~, the animal has an equal value, meaning she'd be just as indignant if the guy were throwing a baby or a kid over the cliff.

There are tons of lonely people and even normal people to whom their pets matter as much as a family member does. While to others, the same animals are actually repulsive. One group's preference or scale of value doesn't make the other group's opposing value true or false - every person decides what is important and what is not, what is worthy of love and what is not and so on.

It isn't necessarily what value a human has compared to an animal. There are more valuable animals than people sometimes and useless people. Humans are still above them.

At the end of the day it's an animal and we are humans. There is a difference.

[JOHN MATRIX]

dogs are worthless nuscances that need to be exterminated.

[kiwiol]

dogs are worthless nuscances that need to be exterminated.

 

[roc]

you don't get either you sick asshole. not only is it a deplorable act but it does not represent the high standards of the marines and how we should represent ourselves as compasionate human beings.  are you related to michael vick?
   that puppy didn't do a thing to that prick!!

[webcake]

Cant believe some people here can actually justify that behaviour

[CalvinH]

That poor doggy wasn't hiding weapons of mass destruction
He didn't deserve to die

[MisterMagoo]

Here we are 5 years into the war, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians dead, still more starved to death due to American sanctions and miscellaneous deaths due to 10 years of bombing prior to invasion and there is huge outrage because a puppy was killed. It is sad yes, but can you compare that to all the chaos and mayhem that the American invasion has caused to human beings? Loss of life, injuries, mental and physical, not to mention to American soldiers and only after a puppy is chucked off a cliff ( admittedly, it was cute) are people up in arms. Something is seriously messed up here. People need to get their priorities straight.

yes, because lord knows us wacky liberals haven't been howling for, oh, the past five years about the massive injustices concerning the iraq invasion. 

[knny187]

I was up last night & it was on the News.

The Marine Corps is doing an investigation & already has said that if the puppy was alive or dead....the course of action will be the same.

They just want to make sure it's 'authentic' (as being a real marine in the situation portrayed) before they jump the shark.

This is not the image the Marine Corps wants to be known for.  They will make an example out of this kid I'm sure.

[hamood]

I was thinking the same thing when I read the thread, but didn't reply at the time, figuring everyone would dismiss it as though I'm a terrorist sympathizer  

No disrespect to the cute puppy, but was a thread ever started here at the Haditha massacre of innocent Iraqis by US Marines?  Or many of the other similar atrocities?

[Bruffy]

Would the American solider do the same thing if he was on his homeland, probably not.  So why does do it elsewhere, IE: MICHAEL (D)VICK..  Just because he is in the war doesn't give him a licence to do something senseless.  He must get his rocks off by praying on the innocent instead of focusing on his mission.  Typical dickhead with no conscious or morals regardless of what his circumstances are.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

The puppy was innocent, hell given the opportunity it could probably blend into our culture and become an American puppy. The same can not be said for Iraqis, thats why no one really cares that they are being killed.

hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spinnis]

The puppy was already dead, are you guys blind?

[MB_722]

no one is saying what this marine did was honourable. That is really beside the point of this story.

The story here is people's reaction to the dog, all the while people are getting killed in the region.

[Brutal_1]

GOD BLESS THE USMC!!!  You gotta problem with that, leave!

[knny187]

no one is saying what this marine did was honourable. That is really beside the point of this story.

The story here is people's reaction to the dog, all the while people are getting killed in the region.

I think most are forgetting the main thing....

Whether this dog was alive or dead....this is not an image how the the Marine Corps wants to be represented by.

If it was a child, adult, cat, or dog....this is not a thing a Marine does....plain & simple.

[knny187]

Marines Disciplined for Tossing Puppy

By AUDREY McAVOY,AP
Posted: 2008-06-12 10:46:10
Filed Under: Nation News
HONOLULU (June 12) -- The Marine Corps said Wednesday it was expelling one Marine and disciplining another for their roles in a video showing a Marine throwing a puppy off a cliff while on patrol in Iraq.

The 17-second video posted on YouTube drew sharp condemnation from animal rights groups when it came to light in March.

The clip shows two Marines joking before one hurls the puppy into a rocky gully. A yelping sound is heard as it flips through the air.

"That's mean. That's mean, Motari," an off-camera Marine is heard telling the Marine who tossed the black and white dog. The off-camera Marine snickered slightly afterward.

Lance Cpl. David Motari, assigned to the 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment at Kaneohe Bay, is "being processed for separation" from the Marine Corps, the Marine Corps said in a news release. He also received unspecified "non-judicial punishment."

The Marine Corps didn't say what role Motari played in the clip.

The video was viewed tens of thousands of times before YouTube took it down because of a violation of the site's terms of use.

"The actions seen in the Internet video are contrary to the high standards we expect of every Marine and will not be tolerated," Marine Corps Base Hawaii said in a news release. "The vast majority of Marines conduct their duties with honor and compassion that makes American people proud."

The second Marine, Sgt. Crismarvin Banez Encarnacion, also received unspecified "non-judicial" punishment.

Encarnacion is assigned to the Weapons and Field Training Battalion, Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego.

First Lt. Binford Strickland, a Marine Corps Base Hawaii spokesman, said the service may not reveal what roles the two men played in the video because that was part of the investigation. He said releasing such information would violate the Privacy Act.

Strickland declined to provide details about the disciplinary measures taken against the men for the same reason.




Like I said...the Marine Corps is not...& will not toleate this type of behavior.  I didn't serve 10 years in the Corps & didn't see this shit coming.

This is very "un becoming" of a Marine