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McCains view on War, in his own words.
« on: March 06, 2008, 11:54:13 PM »
War is a miserable business. The lives of a nation's finest patriots are sacrificed. Innocent people suffer and die. Commerce is disrupted, economies are damaged Strategic interests shielded by years of patient statecraft are endangered as the exigencies of war and diplomacy conflict. However heady the appeal of a call to arms, however just the cause, we should still shed a tear for all that will be lost when war claims its wages from us. Shed a tear, and then get on with the business of killing our enemies as quickly as we can, and as ruthlessly as we must.

There is no avoiding the war we are in today, any more than we could have avoided world war after our fleet was bombed at Pearl Harbor. America is under attack by a depraved, malevolent force that opposes our every interest and hates every value we hold dear We must expect and prepare for our enemies to strike us again. As in all wars we must endure before we prevail. Only the complete destruction of international terrorism and the regimes that sponsor it will spare America from further attack.

As the president has explained, this war will have many components. But American military power is the most important part. When it is brought to bear in great and terrible measure it is a thing to strike terror in the heart of anyone who opposes it. No mountain is big enough, no cave deep enough to hide from the full fury of American power. Yet our enemies harbor doubts that America will use force with a firm determination to achieve our ends, that we will use all force necessary to achieve unconditional victory. We need to persuade them otherwise, immediately.

Fighting this war in half measures will only give our enemies time and opportunity to strike us again. We must change permanently the mindset of terrorists and those parts of Islamic populations who believe the terrorist conceit that they will prevail because America has not the stomach to wage a relentless, long-term, and, at times, ruthless war to destroy them. We cannot fight this war from the air alone. We cannot fight it without casualties. And we cannot fight it without risking unintended damage to humanitarian and political interests





The United States is not waging war against a religion or a race. For too long our enemies have been allowed, even by America's purported friends in the region, to sow their hatred of us throughout the Islamic world. Should the conduct of our war incidentally help inflame that hatred it may indeed increase the threat to regimes in the Middle East and elsewhere whose stability is a strategic interest of the United States. But that threat will be infinitely greater should we fail in our mission or delay victory by one day longer than necessary.
We must reject appeals to suspend military operations to accommodate the religious practices of affected populations. Fighting during Ramadan is no more a war against Islam than fighting during Hanukkah and Christmas is a war against Judaism and Christianity. Nor should we agree to a cease-fire to feed starving Afghans. It wouldn't work anyway. The Taliban have no interest in feeding their peopleTheir only aim is to prevent our victory, and only our victory will alleviate the suffering of innocent Afghans.

It is clear that to destroy bin Laden and his associates we will first need to destroy the regime that protects them. To achieve that end, we cannot allow the Taliban safe refuge among the civilian population. We must destroy them, wherever they hide. That will surely increase the terrible danger facing noncombatants, a regrettable but necessary fact of war But it will also shorten the days they must suffer war's cruel reality.

Nor should we delay or shrink from helping those Afghans committed to the destruction of our enemies. The Northern Alliance wants to destroy the Taliban regime. So do we. That is reason enough to give them all the air support and other assistance they need to take Mazar-e-Sharif, Kabul and any other Taliban territory they can conquer just as quickly as possible.

We have been sparing in the amount of ordnance we have dropped on the Taliban front lines. We have not yet employed B-2s and B-52s, the most destructive weapons in our airborne arsenal, against them. We shouldn't fight this war in increments. The Taliban and their terrorist allies are indeed tough fighters. They'll need to experience a more impressive display of American firepower before they contemplate surrender.

Munitions dumps and air defenses are necessary targets. But so are the Taliban soldiers. Those soldiers and their commanders will not become dispirited, abandon the regime, and become intelligence assets in our war against terrorists until a great many of their comrades have been killed by the United States armed forces.

The president of Pakistan, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has been our good and steadfast ally in a war that would, if unsuccessful, threaten his regimePakistan has a legitimate interest in who rules its chronically unstable eastern neighbor. But al Qaeda and time, not the violence of our campaignnor the ups and downs of Afghan politics, are the greater threats to our friend's interests and to ours Keeping our priorities straight will serve all our interests best.





We have a great many interests in the world that were, until September 11, of the first order of magnitude, and the central occupation of American statesmen. No longer. Now we have only one primary occupation, and that is to vanquish international terrorism. Not reduce it. Not change its operations. Not temporarily subdue it. But vanquish it. It is a difficult and demanding task that will affect many other important interests, favorably in the long run, but in short run, in some instances, unfavorably. That cannot be helped, and we should not make victory on the battlefield more difficult to achieve so that our diplomacy is easier to conduct.
We did not cause this war. Our enemies did, and they are to blame for the deprivations and difficulties it occasions. They are to blame for the loss of innocent life. They are to blame for the geopolitical problems confronting our friends and us. We can help repair the damage of war. But to do so, we must destroy the people who started it.

Veterans of war live forever with the memory of war's merciless nature, of the awful things that had to be done by their hand. They did not recoil from their terrible duty because they knew that the freedom they defended was worth dying and killing for.

War is a miserable business. Let's get on with it.

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2008, 11:57:30 PM »


YEEAAAHHH BUDDAYYY!!!! LIGHT WEIGHT!!!!!!

We should send Joe over there to destroy some Talibans.

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2008, 12:04:11 AM »
War is a miserable business. Lets get on with it.

Ruthless logic.

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2008, 10:15:09 AM »

YEEAAAHHH BUDDAYYY!!!! LIGHT WEIGHT!!!!!!

We should send Joe over there to destroy some Talibans.



LOL.






Ive always noticed that cheney, bush, mcain, Romney etc, dont have any of their kids over there, but sure are willing to send ours for 5-10 tours............at least until they die......theyll keep using other peoples kids to fight a NON-WAR.

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2008, 10:53:31 AM »
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There is no avoiding the war we are in today
Wrong.  Iraq was an unnecessary war of Aggression perpetrated by the Bush Administration.  It had zero to do with the 9/11 attacks.

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When it is brought to bear in great and terrible measure it is a thing to strike terror in the heart of anyone who opposes it. No mountain is big enough, no cave deep enough to hide from the full fury of American power.
I guess OBL's escape at the mountains of Tora Bora is an exception to this assertion.

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We must change permanently the mindset of terrorists and those parts of Islamic populations who believe the terrorist conceit that they will prevail because America has not the stomach to wage a relentless, long-term, and, at times, ruthless war to destroy them.
Oh yeah, no problem.  We'll change 5000 years of middle eastern mindset and hatred for America for our interference in their lives over the last few decades.

What?  Someone called me yellow?!  Let's kill them.  It doesn't matter if we have the legal or moral right!  Nobody questions the guts of America! 

How predictable this crapola is.

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The United States is not waging war against a religion or a race.
Of course not.  I mean whoever heard that the enemy is Islamofascists? 

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Now we have only one primary occupation, and that is to vanquish international terrorism.

And while we are at it, let's rid the world of evil as well. 

What classic doublespeak.  We must kill the enemy!  Who's that?  The international terrorists!  Who's that?  It's not arabs or muslims.  Then Who is it?  International Terrorists!

We are going to rid the world of a tactic.  That's great.  Meanwhile every muslim and arab under the sun is villified as the enemy.

Please deliver us from nutjobs like Bush and McCain.

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2008, 10:56:26 AM »
lol Decker,  your new trend of sarcasm is hilarious! 

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 11:04:53 AM »
lol Decker,  your new trend of sarcasm is hilarious! 
It just gets to a point where you can't believe what you're reading anymore. 

The BS is so transparent from these pro-war douchebags yet it still persuades some people out there.  I try to be civil but garbage like this is insulting.

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2008, 11:18:48 AM »


LOL.






Ive always noticed that cheney, bush, mcain, Romney etc, dont have any of their kids over there, but sure are willing to send ours for 5-10 tours............at least until they die......theyll keep using other peoples kids to fight a NON-WAR.




Once again..lib dumbasses talking out their ass...(besides decker)

 " and his son James (Jimmy) enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps in 2006, began recruit training later that year and by the end of 2007 was stationed in Iraq as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom."

His other son is at the Naval Academy and will do his part as well...much more then u've done.
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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2008, 11:28:43 AM »




LOL.    Yeah, and Ill bet hes on the front lines just like "Prince Harry" or what ever his name is... ::)


And BTW, I pay ALOT of taxes every year so I can send dumbasses like you to IRAQ....

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2008, 12:09:29 PM »
Um....his son was at the front just like every other Marine..they don't play that shit. Ever been to Helmand province, Afghanistan.....describe d as the heaviest combat that the Brits have seen since WW2. Harry did his part...more then u have. U didn't send me to Iraq. Ur a lib...I'd be handing out stuffed bunnies if idiots like u were in charge. But thanks for paying ur taxes.
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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2008, 01:20:31 PM »
Um....his son was at the front just like every other Marine..they don't play that shit. Ever been to Helmand province, Afghanistan.....describe d as the heaviest combat that the Brits have seen since WW2. Harry did his part...more then u have. U didn't send me to Iraq. Ur a lib...I'd be handing out stuffed bunnies if idiots like u were in charge. But thanks for paying ur taxes.


You are a "Stuffed Bunny"  You just do what your told.

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2008, 02:03:46 PM »
Not to throw dirt on anyone's parade, but I believe McCain is the only one in the House that has children serving in the current war.

I did my 6 years in the Service.  We only defended democracy, not practice it  ;D

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2008, 05:29:35 PM »
Hey man its not my problem ur balls didn't drop at puberty....JB thanks for ur service.
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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2008, 06:57:38 PM »
It just gets to a point where you can't believe what you're reading anymore. 

The BS is so transparent from these pro-war douchebags yet it still persuades some people out there.  I try to be civil but garbage like this is insulting.

I hear ya there. When will the public wake the fuck up?

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2008, 08:17:14 PM »
we now have 2 murderers in da house !  ;D

So they killed some durkas.

Big fucking deal.


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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2008, 09:05:51 PM »
So they killed some durkas.republicans.

Big fucking deal.






There. Thats a more valid point.  8)

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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2008, 07:11:54 AM »
Lib ideology at its best.....picking the enemy over ur fellow countrymen. Ur so blinded by ur hate...I don't see anybody hoping to kill dems...but u guys are so deluded by ur naive world view..that I guess America is the bad guy.  ::) ::)
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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2008, 07:14:30 AM »
Lib ideology at its best.....picking the enemy over ur fellow countrymen. Ur so blinded by ur hate...I don't see anybody hoping to kill dems...but u guys are so deluded by ur naive world view..that I guess America is the bad guy.  ::) ::)



LOL.  Its just the internet, soldier.

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2008, 07:18:48 AM »
Its the internet if ur saying repub's should die..if we posted that dems should die..u'd have a shit-fit..yet another lib double standard.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2008, 08:00:56 AM »
Its the internet if ur saying repub's should die..if we posted that dems should die..u'd have a shit-fit..yet another lib double standard.




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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2008, 11:29:21 AM »
What a crock of shit.

 Funny how he's given the 'nationa defense' card just like that. He'll weaken this country and make it more hated if anything.

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2008, 11:57:41 AM »

hey WH, give credit where credit is due. hh6 is not just a "soldier", he's a socialist soldier !


one cannot fairly say the word soldier......without using the term socialist beforehand.


military = the largest social program in the US.

It wasn't until wild bill and the social engineers got involved. There was no "army wellfare"...u did ur job or got bounced..no "don't ask, don't tell"..EO classes, sexual harrassment slide shows etc etc. We weren't peace keepers...Reagan tried that shit and we got marines killed. Socialism came with Clinton..and it will only get worse should Comrade Obama gets in.



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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2008, 12:04:20 PM »

There. Thats a more valid point.  8)

 ::)

Unlikely since many Democrats don't have the stones to wear the uniform let alone serve anyone other than themselves.



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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2008, 04:34:22 PM »
::)

Unlikely since many Democrats don't have the stones to wear the uniform let alone serve anyone other than themselves.






Where do you gather this evidence?

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Re: McCains view on War, in his own words.
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2008, 04:46:47 PM »
Where do you gather this evidence?

Life experience and the years I wore the uniform.

I knew a lot of Republicans and Democrats when I served but NOT many "liberals."

BTW, I should I have said "liberals" not Democrats. My mistake.

Unfortunately, IMO, the Democratic party has been taken over by left-wing nuts. No more individual freedom just fascism with a smiley face. Everyone is entitled to everything at the expense of everyone else and the government will run everything. What ever happenend to a hand up not a hand out?

They're not any better than the ring-wing zealots in the Republican party that want the government to legislate morality.

Edited -- I meant NOT many instead of many liberals. My fault for not proof reading.