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CHICAGO —  Barack Obama's controversial pastor and the church he's served for 36 years may be in hot water over statements he has made from the pulpit in support of the Illinois senator's run for the White House.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. preaches that he follows the righteous path, but when it comes to the federal tax law, his Trinity United Church of Christ may have crossed the line.

Wright praised Obama from the pulpit on Jan. 13 in what was billed as his final sermon at the Chicago church.

"There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction," Wright said during his sermon, according to recordings obtained by FOX News.

It was not the first time Wright appeared to endorse Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright.

The title of Obama's second book, "The Audacity of Hope," was taken from a sermon by Wright.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama's upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that.

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In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

FOX News purchased the video recordings of Wright's sermons from the church.

"It's pretty clear an indirect endorsement of Barack Obama — that's not something you're supposed to do according to the tax code," said Andrew Walsh, a professor at Trinity College who specializes in religion in politics.

The tax code bans churches from participating in or intervening in a political campaign. Violations can result in the loss of a church's tax exempt status.

The Obama campaign issued a statement in response to FOX News' inquiries about Wright's sermons.

"Senator Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church," said Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman.

"Senator Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees."

Click here to visit Trinity United Church of Christ Web site.

Obama defended Wright's longtime activism for blacks in America last week at a campaign event in Ohio.

"Jeremiah Wright ... has said some things that are considered controversial because he's considered that part of his social gospel," Obama said.

The Internal Revenue Service wouldn't comment on whether it is looking into potential tax violations at Trinity United. The church declined to make Wright available for an interview.

Congregant Dwight Hopkins, a professor of Theology at the University of Chicago, said there is no basis for the IRS to go after the church.

"From the church side they will say it's theology," said. "If it wasn't a senator running for president and it wasn't his church, then I think we could say all kinds of things."

The IRS has written dozens of letters warning churches against political advocacy from the pulpit. Yet it has revoked a church's tax-exempt status only twice in the last half-century.

Walsh said it's not typical for the IRS to enforce the rules.

"There's a tension here between the desires of the religious leaders to say important things in the public marketplace and the IRS rules, and so most of the time, the IRS does not enforce these rules," Walsh said.

The public scrutiny of these sermons comes in the wake of last month's revelation by the head of the United Church of Christ that the IRS is investigation a speech Obama gave at the denomination's national conference last year in Connecticut.

In a certified letter, Marsha Ramirez, IRS director, EO Examinations, wrote:

"Our concerns are based on articles posted on several Web sites including the church's which state the United States Presidential Candidate Senator Barack Obama addressed nearly 10,000 church members gathered at the United Church of Christ's biennial General Synod at the Hartford Civic Center, on June 23, 2007. In addition, 40 Obama volunteers staffed campaign tables outside the center to promote his campaign."

The church and the Obama campaign have denied that any inappropriate political advocacy occurred during this speech.

Wright's sermons often address themes of white supremacy and black repression, and critics have called them racially divisive.

Some remarks attributed to Wright that have been posted on the Internet and cited in press accounts include:

“Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college.

"Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.

"We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. ... We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. ... We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. ... We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means.

"And ... And ... And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this shit!"

Click here to hear an audio clip of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. WARNING: Contains offensive language.

Once Wright's remarks were widely publicized last year, Obama backed out of his plans for his pastor to speak at his Feb. 10 presidential announcement.

Obama met Wright after college while working with local churches in Chicago to tackle problems of drug abuse and unemployment in inner-city neighborhoods. Wright preached an Afrocentric theology that interpreted the Bible through shared suffering of African Americans.

For Obama, this experience was a spiritual turning point. He has written that he had been exposed to various faiths during his life but never formally adopted one until after meeting Wright.

“Inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones,” he wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance."

“Those stories — of survival, and freedom, and hope — became our story, my story.”

CHICAGO —  Barack Obama's controversial pastor and the church he's served for 36 years may be in hot water over statements he has made from the pulpit in support of the Illinois senator's run for the White House.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. preaches that he follows the righteous path, but when it comes to the federal tax law, his Trinity United Church of Christ may have crossed the line.

Wright praised Obama from the pulpit on Jan. 13 in what was billed as his final sermon at the Chicago church.

"There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction," Wright said during his sermon, according to recordings obtained by FOX News.

It was not the first time Wright appeared to endorse Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright.

The title of Obama's second book, "The Audacity of Hope," was taken from a sermon by Wright.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama's upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that.

RelatedStories
As Obama Talks Religion, Questions Surround His Controversial Pastor "Hillary ain't never been called a black. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

FOX News purchased the video recordings of Wright's sermons from the church.

"It's pretty clear an indirect endorsement of Barack Obama — that's not something you're supposed to do according to the tax code," said Andrew Walsh, a professor at Trinity College who specializes in religion in politics.

The tax code bans churches from participating in or intervening in a political campaign. Violations can result in the loss of a church's tax exempt status.

The Obama campaign issued a statement in response to FOX News' inquiries about Wright's sermons.

"Senator Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church," said Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman.

"Senator Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees."

Click here to visit Trinity United Church of Christ Web site.

Obama defended Wright's longtime activism for blacks in America last week at a campaign event in Ohio.

"Jeremiah Wright ... has said some things that are considered controversial because he's considered that part of his social gospel," Obama said.

The Internal Revenue Service wouldn't comment on whether it is looking into potential tax violations at Trinity United. The church declined to make Wright available for an interview.

Congregant Dwight Hopkins, a professor of Theology at the University of Chicago, said there is no basis for the IRS to go after the church.

"From the church side they will say it's theology," said. "If it wasn't a senator running for president and it wasn't his church, then I think we could say all kinds of things."

The IRS has written dozens of letters warning churches against political advocacy from the pulpit. Yet it has revoked a church's tax-exempt status only twice in the last half-century.

Walsh said it's not typical for the IRS to enforce the rules.

"There's a tension here between the desires of the religious leaders to say important things in the public marketplace and the IRS rules, and so most of the time, the IRS does not enforce these rules," Walsh said.

The public scrutiny of these sermons comes in the wake of last month's revelation by the head of the United Church of Christ that the IRS is investigation a speech Obama gave at the denomination's national conference last year in Connecticut.

In a certified letter, Marsha Ramirez, IRS director, EO Examinations, wrote:

"Our concerns are based on articles posted on several Web sites including the church's which state the United States Presidential Candidate Senator Barack Obama addressed nearly 10,000 church members gathered at the United Church of Christ's biennial General Synod at the Hartford Civic Center, on June 23, 2007. In addition, 40 Obama volunteers staffed campaign tables outside the center to promote his campaign."

The church and the Obama campaign have denied that any inappropriate political advocacy occurred during this speech.

Wright's sermons often address themes of white supremacy and black repression, and critics have called them racially divisive.

Some remarks attributed to Wright that have been posted on the Internet and cited in press accounts include:

“Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college.

"Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.

"We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. ... We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. ... We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. ... We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means.

"And ... And ... And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this shit!"

Click here to hear an audio clip of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. WARNING: Contains offensive language.

Once Wright's remarks were widely publicized last year, Obama backed out of his plans for his pastor to speak at his Feb. 10 presidential announcement.

Obama met Wright after college while working with local churches in Chicago to tackle problems of drug abuse and unemployment in inner-city neighborhoods. Wright preached an Afrocentric theology that interpreted the Bible through shared suffering of African Americans.

For Obama, this experience was a spiritual turning point. He has written that he had been exposed to various faiths during his life but never formally adopted one until after meeting Wright.

“Inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones,” he wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance."

“Those stories — of survival, and freedom, and hope — became our story, my story.”

CHICAGO —  Barack Obama's controversial pastor and the church he's served for 36 years may be in hot water over statements he has made from the pulpit in support of the Illinois senator's run for the White House.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. preaches that he follows the righteous path, but when it comes to the federal tax law, his Trinity United Church of Christ may have crossed the line.

Wright praised Obama from the pulpit on Jan. 13 in what was billed as his final sermon at the Chicago church.

"There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction," Wright said during his sermon, according to recordings obtained by FOX News.

It was not the first time Wright appeared to endorse Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright.

The title of Obama's second book, "The Audacity of Hope," was taken from a sermon by Wright.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama's upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that.

RelatedStories
As Obama Talks Religion, Questions Surround His Controversial Pastor "Hillary ain't never been called a black. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

FOX News purchased the video recordings of Wright's sermons from the church.

"It's pretty clear an indirect endorsement of Barack Obama — that's not something you're supposed to do according to the tax code," said Andrew Walsh, a professor at Trinity College who specializes in religion in politics.

The tax code bans churches from participating in or intervening in a political campaign. Violations can result in the loss of a church's tax exempt status.

The Obama campaign issued a statement in response to FOX News' inquiries about Wright's sermons.

"Senator Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church," said Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman.

"Senator Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees."

Click here to visit Trinity United Church of Christ Web site.

Obama defended Wright's longtime activism for blacks in America last week at a campaign event in Ohio.

"Jeremiah Wright ... has said some things that are considered controversial because he's considered that part of his social gospel," Obama said.

The Internal Revenue Service wouldn't comment on whether it is looking into potential tax violations at Trinity United. The church declined to make Wright available for an interview.

Congregant Dwight Hopkins, a professor of Theology at the University of Chicago, said there is no basis for the IRS to go after the church.

"From the church side they will say it's theology," said. "If it wasn't a senator running for president and it wasn't his church, then I think we could say all kinds of things."

The IRS has written dozens of letters warning churches against political advocacy from the pulpit. Yet it has revoked a church's tax-exempt status only twice in the last half-century.

Walsh said it's not typical for the IRS to enforce the rules.

"There's a tension here between the desires of the religious leaders to say important things in the public marketplace and the IRS rules, and so most of the time, the IRS does not enforce these rules," Walsh said.

The public scrutiny of these sermons comes in the wake of last month's revelation by the head of the United Church of Christ that the IRS is investigation a speech Obama gave at the denomination's national conference last year in Connecticut.

In a certified letter, Marsha Ramirez, IRS director, EO Examinations, wrote:

"Our concerns are based on articles posted on several Web sites including the church's which state the United States Presidential Candidate Senator Barack Obama addressed nearly 10,000 church members gathered at the United Church of Christ's biennial General Synod at the Hartford Civic Center, on June 23, 2007. In addition, 40 Obama volunteers staffed campaign tables outside the center to promote his campaign."

The church and the Obama campaign have denied that any inappropriate political advocacy occurred during this speech.

Wright's sermons often address themes of white supremacy and black repression, and critics have called them racially divisive.

Some remarks attributed to Wright that have been posted on the Internet and cited in press accounts include:

“Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college.

"Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.

"We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. ... We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. ... We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. ... We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means.

"And ... And ... And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this shit!"

Click here to hear an audio clip of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. WARNING: Contains offensive language.

Once Wright's remarks were widely publicized last year, Obama backed out of his plans for his pastor to speak at his Feb. 10 presidential announcement.

Obama met Wright after college while working with local churches in Chicago to tackle problems of drug abuse and unemployment in inner-city neighborhoods. Wright preached an Afrocentric theology that interpreted the Bible through shared suffering of African Americans.

For Obama, this experience was a spiritual turning point. He has written that he had been exposed to various faiths during his life but never formally adopted one until after meeting Wright.

“Inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones,” he wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance."

“Those stories — of survival, and freedom, and hope — became our story, my story.”


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Re: DOH!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2008, 06:11:40 PM »
I hope that if the pastor of my church has tax trouble, people are sure to include all his parishoners as being guilty as well.

if my mailman ever beats his wife, I hope everyone on his route gets restraining orders slapped on them.

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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2008, 06:12:41 PM »
better yet coach...


instead of spending the next 6 months telling us how bad Obama's pastor is (which isn't an attractive color on you)...

how about giving us 5 reasons why Mccain is the best man for the job.

Let's hear it :)

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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2008, 06:24:06 PM »
you)...

how about giving us 5 reasons why Mccain is the best man for the job.

Let's hear it :)
Don't you know ? Mc Cain was a POW,  he was tortured and took it like a champ for 5 years ,I think just that, qualify him to be the president of USA ::) ::)

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2008, 06:44:38 PM »
Hi Redneck,

If the same story was released about McCain, would you try to circulate it as well?

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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 07:45:41 PM »
fishing........







politics and religion are ugly no matter what side youre on....very unbecoming.


perhaps some new hobbies are in order Joe...

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2008, 08:35:39 PM »
fishing........







politics and religion are ugly no matter what side youre on....very unbecoming.


perhaps some new hobbies are in order Joe...

No, not fishing (unless sport) but I golf, back down to a 10 handicap ya know ;D

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2008, 08:37:01 PM »
Brutal meltdown, Coach...........


anyone got the cliff notes?
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 08:38:20 PM »
joe, instaed of bashing people you don't like, sell us on people you DO like.

5 reasons to vote for mccain over the others;?

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2008, 09:05:21 PM »
No, not fishing (unless sport) but I golf, back down to a 10 handicap ya know ;D

10 handicap? Wow...Your shooting in the 70's everytime out...Is there anything you can't do?

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2008, 09:07:27 PM »
10 handicap? Wow...Your shooting in the 70's everytime out...Is there anything you can't do?

Actually, it's low to mid 80's.

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2008, 09:08:03 PM »
Actually, it's low to mid 80's.

come on, i've asked 3 times now.

Give us 5 reasons to vote for Mccain!

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 09:15:39 PM »
Actually, it's low to mid 80's.
Fark! Obviously you should be running for President. You have no faults; have all the religious rectitude of a saint and are scrupulously politic; and have a low golf handicap. As an aside: Do you ever get bored of looking at yourself in the mirror?

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2008, 09:29:20 PM »

Jesus Christ, Coach posted the whole book of Revelation.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2008, 09:33:09 PM »
joe, you said you'll be actively campaigning for mccain this fall.

i've asked you 4 times now to please tell me 5 reasons why mccain is the best candidate...

You have an eager audience here.

In your own words, why Mccain?  (And please, don't tell me anything bad about the other candidates - that kind of negativity is unattractice... give us 5 reasons Mccain is the best.  No cut pastes!)

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 09:34:47 PM »
joe, you said you'll be actively campaigning for mccain this fall.

i've asked you 4 times now to please tell me 5 reasons why mccain is the best candidate...

You have an eager audience here.

In your own words, why Mccain?  (And please, don't tell me anything bad about the other candidates - that kind of negativity is unattractice... give us 5 reasons Mccain is the best.  No cut pastes!)

Yeah Joe, we need more shit we can use to make fun of you

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 09:35:44 PM »
come on, i've asked 3 times now.

Give us 5 reasons to vote for Mccain!

I can give probably give you 50 reasons, but since the majority of this site is prodominanly liberal, what would be the use? People make an issue because I put up my golf handicap, imagine how the libs on here would go off if I put why McCain should be elected.

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 09:36:55 PM »
I can give probably give you 50 reasons, but since the majority of this site is prodominanly liberal, what would be the use? People make an issue because I put up my golf handicap, imagine how the libs on here would go off if I put why McCain should be elected.

PRODOMINANLY? WTF?  Speak English or we'll kick your ass out to TJ before you can say Jack RObinson.

P.S. Nice excuse.  ::)

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 09:37:20 PM »

In your own words, why Mccain?  (And please, don't tell me anything bad about the other candidates - that kind of negativity is unattractice... give us 5 reasons Mccain is the best.  No cut pastes!)

I don't have to say anything negetive about the other candidates, they're doing just fine on their own.

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 09:38:27 PM »
1) senile
2) 3 former GOP senators have said McCain is mentally unstable and they would not want to see him with his finger on the button.
3) He will definitely invade Iran
4) Keating 5 scandal
5) He wants to stay in Iraq for 100 more years

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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2008, 09:40:02 PM »
Actually, it's low to mid 80's.

All depends on the slope...Of course a man of your stature and economic means doesn't go on a course unless its over 135 slope i'm sure...

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2008, 09:40:59 PM »
Actually, it's low to mid 80's.

I always thought you'd lie about your IQ.... but you didn't.

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2008, 09:47:33 PM »
joe, you said you'll be actively campaigning for mccain this fall.

i've asked you 4 times now to please tell me 5 reasons why mccain is the best candidate...

You have an eager audience here.

In your own words, why Mccain?  (And please, don't tell me anything bad about the other candidates - that kind of negativity is unattractice... give us 5 reasons Mccain is the best.  No cut pastes!)
He can't do it 240, just like he can't avoid taking shots at Milos whenever possible......it's in his religious nature to be judgmental and ignorant.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2008, 09:54:15 PM »
All depends on the slope...Of course a man of your stature and economic means doesn't go on a course unless its over 135 slope i'm sure...

No, it's a 115 slope with I think about a 67 rating, par 70.

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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 02:48:23 AM »
No, it's a 115 slope with I think about a 67 rating, par 70.

then in that case,for that course, you are pretty close to a 10 handicap but probably closer to a 15 handicap..

If your lowest score in the last 5 rounds was an 80, your handicap for that rating and slope would be a 12

If your lowest score in the last 5 rounds was an 83, your handicap for that rating and slope would be a 15

but if your lowest score in the past 5 rounds was an 85, your handicap would be closer to a 17

thats why i stated that you must be shooting in the mid to late 70's...I figured you probably were playing on a course out there of at least a 125 to 135 slope...