Sports Illustrated's view on steroids, Arnold and the ASC.

[HUGEPECS]

I have to agree.  But I'm sure Arnold is pretty aware of it actually and he's got to make some changes sometime soon.  I don't know what he'll do, but I'm pretty sure this is already something on his mind-he knows that more and more people are going to start seeing that as hypocritical...and their kinda right.

Arnold doesn't need to do shit about it. it's not the first time those fat asses at SI are writing about ASC, and it won't be the last time. Arnold has more important things on his mind then to pay attention to those GIRLY MEN.....

[MikeThaMachine]

I have to agree.  But I'm sure Arnold is pretty aware of it actually and he's got to make some changes sometime soon.  I don't know what he'll do, but I'm pretty sure this is already something on his mind-he knows that more and more people are going to start seeing that as hypocritical...and their kinda right.

WTF does it matter, by all reason Charlie Wilson should have been kicked out of office for doing coke, DUI, hit and run etc... But because of him Afghanistan was able to defeat the Soviets and basically bring an end to the Soviet Union. Just because you have a past or do things some may find immoral doesn't mean you can't be a great leader or do great things to change the world. Sometimes people need to get over it and stop looking at all that is negative and focus on whats positive.

[Smokincrazy]

Did you guys bother to read the article?It was as pro steroid as anything Ive read in years.Christ,they almost praised Tony Fitton in the second part of the article.This was a very fair article devoid of the usual assanine foolishness of Don Hooten or the aptly named DICK POUND.The author absolutely kills George Mitchell in it.Read the WHOLE thing.

Definitely right.   

[kcballer]

What's a "REAL ATHLETE"?  Squat 465x10 and tell me you dont have to be athletic to do it.  Doesnt take any athletic ability to that,huh?
 

i don't really consider that a massive athletic acheivment no.  Impressive yes, but not overly athletic, i've seen a guy lift some pretty big weights 500lb bench press for a few reps type of weight, and he struggled to walk hardly what i'd call athletic, besides that's in the gym, on stage i don't see the bodybuilders squatting (and i wouldn't want to) all you see is them posing.  It's about asthetics not what you lift, because the strongest aren't always the best looking.  This is why i don't consider them as athletes the same way i consider a basketball or football player. 

[Smokincrazy]

i don't really consider that a massive athletic acheivment no.  Impressive yes, but not overly athletic, i've seen a guy lift some pretty big weights 500lb bench press for a few reps type of weight, and he struggled to walk hardly what i'd call athletic, besides that's in the gym, on stage i don't see the bodybuilders squatting (and i wouldn't want to) all you see is them posing.  It's about asthetics not what you lift, because the strongest aren't always the best looking.  This is why i don't consider them as athletes the same way i consider a basketball or football player. 

Athletes come in all shapes and forms.  To me high intensity plyometrics is athletic.  Bowling and car racing arent athletic.   A lot more people can catch/throw baseball or football than squat 500 for reps.  Bodybuilding is two parts: Training to get muscle and then presenting it

[Palpatine Q]

Did you guys bother to read the article?It was as pro steroid as anything Ive read in years.Christ,they almost praised Tony Fitton in the second part of the article.This was a very fair article devoid of the usual assanine foolishness of Don Hooten or the aptly named DICK POUND.The author absolutely kills George Mitchell in it.Read the WHOLE thing.

Agreed. Although he did take a giant shit on the BBing culture, which is SOP for these guys.

[muscleforlife]

WTF does it matter, by all reason Charlie Wilson should have been kicked out of office for doing coke, DUI, hit and run etc... But because of him Afghanistan was able to defeat the Soviets and basically bring an end to the Soviet Union. Just because you have a past or do things some may find immoral doesn't mean you can't be a great leader or do great things to change the world. Sometimes people need to get over it and stop looking at all that is negative and focus on whats positive.

Does this mean you think Spitzer shouldn't have resigned?
He was cleaning up wall street and large corporations.  He really did think with his small head and not his brain.
Sandra

[Swedish Viking]

WTF does it matter, by all reason Charlie Wilson should have been kicked out of office for doing coke, DUI, hit and run etc... But because of him Afghanistan was able to defeat the Soviets and basically bring an end to the Soviet Union. Just because you have a past or do things some may find immoral doesn't mean you can't be a great leader or do great things to change the world. Sometimes people need to get over it and stop looking at all that is negative and focus on whats positive.

  I'm not talking about Arnold's past. I'm talking about his present.  He's representing himself as a leader in healthy, environmentally sound living nowadays.  This is going to be a bigger and bigger blight on his reputation.  I'm not saying he needs to do something about it, I'm saying I think he will.  And I think that's good. 

[hipolito mejia]

But that's how the public see it.  It's not just him, if you lined up a whole bunch of sports writers and sent them along, they'd all come up with similar views.  These guys deal with real athletes on a daily basis, to go to the ASC and see a bunch of muscle chicks in thongs, acne covered fan boys sweating in otomix shows, and the 'pros' with more drugs in them than a local pharmacy.  At least athletes who use can still lay claim to actualy ability. 

 You Beat me to it.

[hipolito mejia]

What's a "REAL ATHLETE"?  Squat 465x10 and tell me you dont have to be athletic to do it.  Doesnt take any athletic ability to that,huh?
 

I see your point, but The anabolics take a lot of merit away.

[hipolito mejia]

 A lot more people can catch/throw baseball or football than squat 500 for reps.  Bodybuilding is two parts: Training to get muscle and then presenting it

You can use steroids and somewhere along the line you'll squat 500 pounds......

You can use steroids and if you don't have talent you won hit (or at least see )a ball that comes at 95 MPH across the plate.

[timfogarty]

"By all accounts Schwarzenegger (who says he stopped using steroids well before it became illegal to sell or possess them without a prescription, in '90..."

I wish some reporter would challenge him on this.  Terminator 2 was 1991, Last Action Hero was 1993, True Lies was 1994, Terminator 3 was 2003.   Anyone believe he has been PED free for his action movies?

Kindergarden Cop was 1990, Junior was 1994, Jingle All The Way was 1996, the list goes on

[hipolito mejia]

I wish some reporter would challenge him on this.  Terminator 2 was 1991, Last Action Hero was 1993, True Lies was 1994, Terminator 3 was 2003.   Anyone believe he has been PED free for his action movies?

Kindergarden Cop was 1990, Junior was 1994, Jingle All The Way was 1996, the list goes on

Exactly.

[Mobil]

I wish some reporter would challenge him on this.  Terminator 2 was 1991, Last Action Hero was 1993, True Lies was 1994, Terminator 3 was 2003.   Anyone believe he has been PED free for his action movies?

Kindergarden Cop was 1990, Junior was 1994, Jingle All The Way was 1996, the list goes on

it says without a prescription. im sure he had a doc write all his meds. if u got that much money

[sync pulse]

it says without a prescription. im sure he had a doc write all his meds. if u got that much money

It used to be that gyms, (even the downtown Houston YMCA!) had lists and advertising for sports doctors that would supervise cycles.  The most mass with the least sides.  All pharmaceutical grade and legit.  I would be so happy if it were so again.

[FrenchFrie]

Because members of the general public, by and large, are ignorant on this subject.  Good journalists wouldn't cave in and agree with such ignorance.  The Arnold Classic weekend should be described objectively as what it is, not in a way which subscribes to what the public wants to hear.

problem is that what the writer said isnt only what the public wants to hear, but it's also an objective description of what it is 

[LatsMcGee]

a carnival of muscle porn

cartoonishly sculpted hulks

LOL....

"Yeah so this weekend I took my kids to the muscle porn carnival.  The lines were too long but the freakshow was top notch."

[timfogarty]

It used to be that gyms, (even the downtown Houston YMCA!) had lists and advertising for sports doctors that would supervise cycles.  The most mass with the least sides.  All pharmaceutical grade and legit.  I would be so happy if it were so again.

Repeal the Steroid Control Act of 1990.  That made possession without a script from a US doctor a felony, and also made it illegal for doctors to prescribe steroids for cosmetic or performance enhancing purposes.

[Moosejay]

problem is that what the writer said isnt only what the public wants to hear, but it's also an objective description of what it is 

Truth

[Moosejay]

"Yeah so this weekend I took my kids to the muscle porn carnival.  The lines were too long but the freakshow was top notch."

 

[Mobil]

Repeal the Steroid Control Act of 1990.  That made possession without a script from a US doctor a felony, and also made it illegal for doctors to prescribe steroids for cosmetic or performance enhancing purposes.

theres always loopholes... why is test, decca, anavar and winstrol still being produced by american pharmacy companies?

[FrenchFrie]

theres always loopholes... why is test, decca, anavar and winstrol still being produced by american pharmacy companies?

for people who use it for health related problems maybe? you know those people who are sick and have steroids prescribed to them by doctors for health reasons, and not for cosmetic enhancement....

[Moosejay]

Whenever I lecture I always talk about the + aspects of steroids...its necessary to do but always make the audience uncomfortable, although more attentive

[Luv2Hurt]

I think it takes a lot of guts and loyalty for Arnold to still be endorsing the ASC in the current political climate and with the public view on steroids.  He knows damn well that by being associated with the ASC it could be looked at as bad by the fear driven anti-steroid public.  I give him props for not running and staying true to his roots. 

[jason armstrong]

have you ever been?

if you havent, it might change your view a little. its a side show of freaks, sluts, and delusional people....

puffed up juice monkeys roaming around in all their "golds gym" gear looking like a walking cliche for all that is wrong for the 'sport"



are there good people there? sure. are there other things other than bodybuilding? of course. but you need to realize that what we see on the internet, magazines, and in the gyms are not what people typically see on a day to day basis. the shock value of a 230lb shredded dude is gone for us...

but to the average person, muscle girls in thongs in public, juiced up, loud bodybuilders ripping their shirts off, weird supplement gimmicks, MIDGET WRESTLING!.......

a freak show.....

mattc 's been to the ASC...he's waaay out of place though looks like an HIV patient pasty white smooth small 160 lbs....yuck....
but he's a millionaire canadian career college student that is a bb'ing expert!!!!

how dare you argue with this beast....

what a joke...he fits in like a sore fking nut .....