Markus Ruhl and Scott Steiner's chest injuries

[GoneAway]

thanks for the replies everyone. dont have pics, but it's the same as what has happened to scott and ruhl. my left pec is almost identical to ruhl's right one. i will definately lay off all chest exercises for a while, as it does get worse with the more training/pressure u apply to the area.

In Steiner's case, it's not a tear but nerve damage.

likely, but the result is the same - tendons tearing off the bone and wasting away. anyone who has this problem will know when cartilage is gone, as u can feel the bone under the skin, where there used to be padding ontop of bone.

yes to all of it. There has always been pain. My strength has improved, it's taken quite abit of time to regain it. Not sure when I'll be at 100% I am still heating and stretching about 2-3 times a day. It happened about 15 months ago.

I've got one square pec and the other is round. IMO it looks like shit   

has the physiotherapist been able to stop urs getting worse than it was 15 months ago? we're in a similar boat - i also get pain in certain areas of my chest, like a buising sensation when i push on it. seems to be only where the tears have happened, coincidentally.

im going to the doc next week and asking to be referred to a chest specialist (as he suggested). i dont recommend anyone get a chest xray for this, as an xray only looks at the bones. anyway, if i do find a way to stop this getting worse or a way to fix the aesthetical appeal to it, i'll let everyone here know.

[webcake]

You may have already anwsered this Goneaway, but does/did it hurt? I just rememeber in a interview with Ruhl he said he didn't feel any pain or anything, he just noticed this gap forming over time.

[BEAST 8692]

speaking of pec tears

i heard that our good friend layne norton got a pretty bad pec tear recently

he's getting surgery soon

PIP to his bodybuilding career

layne getting a torn pec is interesting in that the widely held belief has always been that this type of injury normally affects the steroid user due to some imbalance between tendon and muscular strength.

i hope the tear wasn't too bad and that he gets back on top of his field again. he's a very marketable and positive athlete.

[GoneAway]

You may have already anwsered this Goneaway, but does/did it hurt? I just rememeber in a interview with Ruhl he said he didn't feel any pain or anything, he just noticed this gap forming over time.

its a burning sensation that comes and goes, but flares up when im doing something using my chest, like writing, typing or working out. it feels like a bruise when i push on certain areas (near the sternum and near the intercostals). burning sensation is associated with nerve damage.

not sure y markus may not have pain/burning, but everyone is different. he may not have overtrained like i may have, but if we both have same condition, it will attack him anyway. markus said theres no cure, but ive been told that nerve damage doesnt always stem from the chest, so u have to look at other areas of the body to see if there are any problems elsewhere. alot of medical practioners dont know this, and never treat the problem in the longterm by attacking the root.

[arce377]

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[Bear]

Shawn Davies had a similar thing where part of his inner chest had to be removed for some reason!!!!!!!

[Deicide]

Wonder what Markus looks like these days...

He probably is clean, meaning only about 500 mg of testo a week...

I met him at a FIBO...really nice guy....crazy ass shoulders he had....

[gtbro1]

  Well it is too late for you my friend.,...your Olympia and WCW dreams have been smashed.


              gtbro1 md

[donrhummy]

Looks like it's started on Holyfield too.

[GoneAway]

Looks like it's started on Holyfield too.

possibly. i cant seem to find any front-on pics of him apart from that one. should have more of an idea of what causes this within the week, after i see the chest specialist. i feel it's definately something that causes the ligaments and tendons attaching to the ribs and sternum to become weak... we'll see

[MB_722]

has the physiotherapist been able to stop urs getting worse than it was 15 months ago? we're in a similar boat - i also get pain in certain areas of my chest, like a buising sensation when i push on it. seems to be only where the tears have happened, coincidentally.

yes I feel better after I see the physiotherapist.

A burning sensation is a good way in putting it. I still get it from time to time. Flared up this past week. I gave it some heat and stretched it out. It feels ok now.

Becareful with it.

[HTexan]

so steroids are the cause of these tears?

[Monster81]

so steroids are the cause of these tears?

no ,its not, its all because of muscle tech stay away from it,

[honest]

so steroids are the cause of these tears?

No but their long time use does contribute to it, i did mine years ago, and backed off straight away, Dennis James has a small tear there as well if you see any front on most musculars, the secret is to know its torn, it wont get better but you can make it worse. So back off and really slow your reps down especially on the negative and back off on the weight.

high dosages of Test over long periods of time, calcifies tendons and ligaments making it easy to tear them, infact high dosgae of anything including the therapuetic deca will do it, Stanozyl is the worst. Deca and hgh can assist in re strengthening but only at low dosages like under 4iu daily and below 200mg per week for deca, any higher and you get the same issues as with other anabolics.

[GoneAway]

thanks honest.

its not caused directly by steroids, as ive never taken them in my life. yet i probably do overtrain, and have trained in the gym for 2 hours at a time during a certain period, after which i cut it down to 1 hour. how markus ruhl got it, 14 years after he built such a huge chest, i dont know. maybe he changed his routine in last couple of years. for dennis james, it seems he may have had it earlier, but had fatty tissue or some implant put in, and it hasnt gotten any worse since. he looks normal in most relaxed shots.

honest, how did u manage to stop urs from getting any worse? any pics?

[Triple-H_2005]

Steiner is a nut job in real life. He's been to the pen a couple of times over the years for assaults on people.

The pen? 

County lockup for a few days?  Yes.  Federal go-away-bye-bye?  No.

[Big_Tymer]

you find anything out goneaway?  my left pec slightly goes off to the side.  i dont know if its been like this forever or ive just noticed it.  The symmetry is pretty close, but not exact. Can only tell if i draw a line down my chest to see.  Ive never felt any pain or anything to make me think I may have injured my chest.

[BayGBM]

Looks like it's started on Holyfield too.

Wow!  Holyfield too?!?!?  Is this a relatively new type of injury?  Steiner and Rhul are the first guy's I ever noticed it on.  Did any big name guys from the 90's 80's or 70's suffer from this?  Who? 

[Epic_Monster]

i know this has been brought up before, but i'm noticing something like this on my own chest and am worried about turning out like these guys. been to docs, they say its untreatable.

for any doctors in the house, is this able to be prevented from getting any worse?

below are pics of Markus and Scott at stages where u can clearly see the tendons attaching to the sternum have torn off, leaving a gap down the middle between the left and right pecs (in scotts case). Markus' tearing has started on his right pec, lower sternum area. thanks for any help.

Just start wearing knife armour like Steiner!

[GoneAway]

you find anything out goneaway?  my left pec slightly goes off to the side.  i dont know if its been like this forever or ive just noticed it.  The symmetry is pretty close, but not exact. Can only tell if i draw a line down my chest to see.  Ive never felt any pain or anything to make me think I may have injured my chest.

ive booked an appointment with a sports medicine professional, since there's basically nothing that any of the so-called 'doctors' are noticing. so i'll be seeing them this weekend.

[MB_722]

ive booked an appointment with a sports medicine professional, since there's basically nothing that any of the so-called 'doctors' are noticing. so i'll be seeing them this weekend.

It's amazing how they don't notice anything. Annoying too.

[Danimal77]

He is very tall and big.

Since when is 5'11"-6'0" tall? BTW, that IS his REAL height.

[Mussolini]

do your pecs look like this guys?

[Big_Tymer]

^ damn that is bad.  could he get some kind of surgery done to like actually cut part of the muscle out to make them more symmetrical?

[GoneAway]

do your pecs look like this guys?

thats very odd. its almost like he's flexing one side and not the other. but no, mine look more like scott steiner in this pic, where there are gaps where the tendons have come off the bone, and the muscle has rolled back into itself.

it's pretty clear on steiner's left pec in the middle pic. simple compare it to his 'normal' chest.