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Good grief.  And this is the man's spiritual advisor??   :-\

Obama’s Spiritual Adviser Questioned U.S. Role in Spread of HIV, Sept. 11 Attacks
by FOXNews.com
Friday, March 14, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., senior pastor, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, March 2005. (Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service)

Barack Obama’s longtime pastor once questioned America’s role in the spread of the AIDS virus and suggested that the United States bore some responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.


Confronted with the content of some of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.’s sermons, parts of which have been aired this week on FOX News, the Obama campaign continues to pull away from the pastor’s rhetoric, but is stopping short of a full repudiation.

Wright has retired as leader of Trinity United Church in Chicago; he delivered his last sermon there in February. Obama has attended the church for 20 years and calls Wright his spiritual adviser.

Wright’s supporters say his Afro-centric sermons accurately portray black America and contend his sermons are widely studied by theologians. But critics are now calling attention to some of his words from the pulpit.

In DVD copies of his sermons available for purchase, Wright can be seen questioning America’s role in the spreading of the HIV virus that leads to AIDS. In another speech, made in the days after 9/11, he suggested that American foreign policy invited the terror attacks.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye,” Wright said.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”

The pastor also said: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

Late Thursday, the Obama campaign said it has distanced itself from certain comments made by the pastor. But it did not fully repudiate Wright himself — as some critics have called for.

“Senator Obama has said before that he profoundly disagrees with some of the statements and positions of Reverend Wright, who has preached his last sermon as pastor at the church,” Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said. “Senator Obama deplores divisive statements whether they come from his supporters, the supporters of his opponent, talk radio, or anywhere else.”

Last year, Obama rescinded an invitation to Wright to deliver the invocation at his presidential announcement. He also issued a statement saying personal attacks have no place in politics after Wright delivered an attack on Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton.

But Obama’s longtime relationship with Wright is continuing to spark controversy.

“This is not just someone that Barack Obama has a casual relationship with,” said Tom Bevan, executive editor of RealClearPolitics.com. He noted that Wright married Barack and Michelle Obama, and Wright’s words were the inspiration for the title of Obama’s book, “The Audacity of Hope.”

“Barack Obama has not out and out distanced himself from all of these comments … ,” said Patricia Murphy, editor of CitizenJanePolitics.com. “It’s unclear if he rejects all of these statements. I would assume that he does, but I think he is going to be pushed where he needs to come out and fully explain his relationship with his pastor.”

Some of Wright’s statements have raised eyebrows at a time the Internal Revenue Service is scrutinizing tax-exempt religious organizations for alleged violations of rules barring them from participating in political campaigns.

Prior to his retirement last month, Wright delivered commentary from the pulpit in which he praised Obama, as well as remarks focusing on the racial divide between Obama and Clinton.

“There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction,” Wright said during his Jan. 13 sermon.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama’s upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright said. “Hillary would never know that.

“Hillary ain’t never been called a black. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

In a Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

So far the Clinton campaign has been quiet over Wright’s comments.

Wright has declined interview requests from FOX News.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/obamas-spiritual-adviser-questioned-us-role-in-spread-of-hiv-sept-11-attacks/

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“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye,” Wright said.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, ...”

These are factual statements

"...and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost."

This conclusion is consistent with the Blowback theory offered by members of the CIA.

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Is this a factual statement? 

The pastor also said: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

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Is this a factual statement? 

The pastor also said: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
I don't know. Do you know for sure?

The blacks had the Tuskegee experiments done on them by our government.  I'll cut them some slack when it comes to a few paranoid beliefs.

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Bitter old BB, can't wait to cast stones.

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I don't know. Do you know for sure?

The blacks had the Tuskegee experiments done on them by our government.  I'll cut them some slack when it comes to a few paranoid beliefs.

Oh come on.  I don't know for certain if the government invented cancer in a lab as a means of exterminating all Asian people either.  Afterall, we did put Japanese Americans in concentration camps and signed the Gentlemen's Agreement to preclude Asian immigrants.  

You don't have to be concerned about the fact Obama's spiritual advisor has some kooky beliefs, but I am.  I haven't read up on the guy, but he has apparently made a number of pretty bizarre comments.    

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In defense of all the candidates, let's just face reality.

It's really hard (probaby impossible) to find a well known Christian Pastor who's NOT a bit kooky.   It just kind of goes with the territory.  Just look at the nutbags that McCain has to get cozy with just to appease the religious right.  It's really kind of sad.    

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Oh come on.  I don't know for certain if the government invented cancer in a lab as a means of exterminating all Asian people either.  Afterall, we did put Japanese Americans in concentration camps and signed the Gentlemen's Agreement to preclude Asian immigrants.  

You don't have to be concerned about the fact Obama's spiritual advisor has some kooky beliefs, but I am.  I haven't read up on the guy, but he has apparently made a number of pretty bizarre comments.    

Until Obama adopts those views, I won't be concerned.

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I don't know. Do you know for sure?

The blacks had the Tuskegee experiments done on them by our government.  I'll cut them some slack when it comes to a few paranoid beliefs.

Oh for Gods sake Decker stop with the lawyer mumbo jumbo and use some common freaking sense >:(


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/obamas-spiritual-adviser-questioned-us-role-in-spread-of-hiv-sept-11-attacks/

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This pastor is a nut job.

If you hear some of his sermons, sounds like he hates America.  Not close to mainstream.  The fact that this is Obama's church and this idiot is a close friend and campaign supporter must raise eyebrows.

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This pastor is a nut job.

If you hear some of his sermons, sounds like he hates America.  Not close to mainstream.  The fact that this is Obama's church and this idiot is a close friend and campaign supporter must raise eyebrows.

Exactly.  Is this really someone we want advising the president? 

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For christ sake, you guys are defending this radical's statements?
This guy is speaking in 2008, not 1945!  Please have the sense to denounce what this guy is preaching.
How any of this is reasonable in a Christian/Baptist church preaching to hundreds (or more), is beyond me.
Sounds like this pastor is on the fringe, according to other baptist pastors that have recently been interviewed.
Recognizing the faults of the past do not make it reasonable to spew this garbage today!

I imagine Obama does not share all this pastor's radical views but it is still concerning that he is a friend and advisor.  Obama should be distancing himself from this guy if he wants to keep mainstream America.

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McCain spiritual advisors are no less kooky

All of these guys are wacko


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Oh for Gods sake Decker stop with the lawyer mumbo jumbo and use some common freaking sense >:(


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/obamas-spiritual-adviser-questioned-us-role-in-spread-of-hiv-sept-11-attacks/
Here's your common freaking sense:  We live in a free country.  That guy can think and say what he wants.

Did Obama parrot those controversial ideas?  No. 

So relax.

And as Straw Man pointed out, look at some of the lunatic rantings of the preachers supporting McCain before you start casting stones at your political opponents. 

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plz post some of those here for the rest of us Decker

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plz post some of those here for the rest of us Decker
Sure, no problem.  I won't even throw in the Falwell quotes.

“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.” - Jerusalem Countdown (revised edition, 2007, p. 114)

"Anyone who makes the life of Jewish people difficult or grievous, as did the Pharaoh, as did Hitler, will be cursed by God." - keynote address to AIPAC, (March 12, 2007)

"If you live your life and don't confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood, I'm going to say this very plainly, you're going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket." October, 2006[3]

"All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." [29].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee#Quotes


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Here's your common freaking sense:  We live in a free country.  That guy can think and say what he wants.

Did Obama parrot those controversial ideas?  No. 

So relax.

 

Thats not what I'm saying, he or his wife don't have to say it. Obama can denounce what his "spiritual advisor" said all day long, it's not going to change a thing. They have been apart of that church for 20 + years, your going to sit there and tell me he had no idea of what his "pastor" believed? Alot of what he said was right after 9/11.........Obama and his wife fully where this man stood.

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Sure, no problem.  I won't even throw in the Falwell quotes.

“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.” - Jerusalem Countdown (revised edition, 2007, p. 114)

"Anyone who makes the life of Jewish people difficult or grievous, as did the Pharaoh, as did Hitler, will be cursed by God." - keynote address to AIPAC, (March 12, 2007)

"If you live your life and don't confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood, I'm going to say this very plainly, you're going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket." October, 2006[3]

"All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." [29].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee#Quotes



I don't think anyone asked him for his advice before they ran for President.

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Thats not what I'm saying, he or his wife don't have to say it. Obama can denounce what his "spiritual advisor" said all day long, it's not going to change a thing. They have been apart of that church for 20 + years, your going to sit there and tell me he had no idea of what his "pastor" believed? Alot of what he said was right after 9/11.........Obama and his wife fully where this man stood.

Hahahaha..... who cares? He's still going to be president, and you're going to like it.

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What I want to know is when these two dunderheads are going to stop slinging mud and at least talk about an issue :(

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Hahahaha..... who cares? He's still going to be president, and you're going to like it.
You're still on this board (site), why? You haven't contributed anything to any board exept insults.....I think I hear your mom calling you for dinner...run along now!

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Here's your common freaking sense:  We live in a free country.  That guy can think and say what he wants.

Did Obama parrot those controversial ideas?  No. 

So relax.

And as Straw Man pointed out, look at some of the lunatic rantings of the preachers supporting McCain before you start casting stones at your political opponents. 

McCain has a spiritual advisor?  Who? 

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McCain has a spiritual advisor?  Who? 

Yes....we call him God ;)

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Yes....we call him God ;)

Good answer.   :) 

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