Author Topic: Dairy - still don't know if it's good or bad. (Read 2036 times)

TrueGrit · « **on:** March 18, 2008, 02:39:22 PM »

Talk to some and it's evil, sugar-laden shit that is only intended for baby cows. Talk to others and it's one of the all time greatest muscle builders and a cheap, effective protein with tons of calcium.

So what do you think?

Meltdown · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2008, 02:48:10 PM »

Low fat milk is fine 30grams protein in 600ml and only half a gram of fat.Drink milk and Harden the Fuk up.

candidizzle · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2008, 02:50:33 PM »

its great if you have rtouble eating enough food. instead of water have milk. but for myself, id rather eat as much food as possible...so ill save those carb and proteins for whole food, and drink water with a calcium tablet instead.

TrueGrit · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2008, 02:51:01 PM »

But then someone will tell you that it's full of lactose and triggers more insulin spikes than previously believed

FrenchFrie · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2008, 03:23:14 PM »

don't stare at it, EAT IT !

Brutal_1 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2008, 04:04:16 PM »

Quote from: TrueGrit on March 18, 2008, 02:39:22 PM

Talk to some and it's evil, sugar-laden shit that is only intended for baby cows. Talk to others and it's one of the all time greatest muscle builders and a cheap, effective protein with tons of calcium.

So what do you think?

Interestingly enough,

one of the smartest guys I knew in the field of nutrition was STRONGLY opposed to humans consuming cow's milk. He loved milk and advocated it all the time...but for the many other alternatives to cow's milk. Another tidbit of info, when comparing nutrient ratios, both micro/macro, goat's milk has the closest structure to human breastmilk. hmmm Also, it's contraindicated to give a newborn cow's milk....hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Just some thoughts to chew on...

NeverTrustABlonde · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2008, 04:14:56 PM »

bad if you're lactose intolerant.....

240 is Back · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2008, 04:21:28 PM »

Dairy is great. I'm up to almost a gallon of milk per day.

OTHstrong · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2008, 06:47:15 PM »

Milk is good for you, too many calories for contest diet though

PANDAEMONIUM · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2008, 06:54:43 PM »

Quote from: TrueGrit on March 18, 2008, 02:39:22 PM

Talk to some and it's evil, sugar-laden shit that is only intended for baby cows. Talk to others and it's one of the all time greatest muscle builders and a cheap, effective protein with tons of calcium.

So what do you think?

Good thread. I'm not as read up on the "science" part of this as I should be, but I will say that I'm a very strong believer in drinking lots of milk for muscle/bulk gains. A long time ago when I first started lifting, I read about how the old-time strongmen, and guys like Paul Anderson, consumed massive amounts of milk. So I followed their lead. Luckily, I'm not lactose intolerant and I've grown to love the taste of 1% milk. For the past ten years, I'll average at least half a gallon a day, usually closer to a gallon. Mind you, every now and then I'll not drink any milk at all for days on end and get that protein from other sources, and also to keep my body "guessing". But I'm a big believer in milk. As for drinking it to stay "lean", I don't know about that. I'm not "lean", nor do I care to be, so the sugar content (lactose) in milk doesn't bother me. I do believe, though, that milk is pretty low on the glycemic index...meaning it's not like drinking a cup of high fructose corn syrup.

240 is Back · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2008, 06:57:51 PM »

honestly, I don't think I added an ounce of muscle for 2 years... sleeping less, eating less, and just getting leaner but not bigger. Since I added a shitload of milk, my muscles are just a bit rounder and fuller.

FrenchFrie · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2008, 06:59:42 PM »

dont u north american know CHEESE ?

chris-a · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2008, 12:49:51 AM »

pasteurized milk = poison. raw milk = health food.

GoneAway · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2008, 12:53:09 AM »

milk is for babies! when u grow up, u have to drink beer!

LatsMcGee · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2008, 01:46:45 AM »

Quote from: chris-a on March 19, 2008, 12:49:51 AM

pasteurized milk = poison. raw milk = health food.

Damn right.

Tombo · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2008, 02:08:56 AM »

I've been told alot of the shit is insoluable and your kidney's aren't a fan and you can develop stones from it..

anyone know anything about this?

Stark · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2008, 02:11:24 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 18, 2008, 04:21:28 PM

Dairy is great. I'm up to almost a gallon of milk per day.

But is it also good if you are on a low carb diet?

TrueGrit · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2008, 02:54:36 AM »

Quote from: Stark on March 19, 2008, 02:11:24 AM

But is it also good if you are on a low carb diet?

I've been told no. Apparently it is higher on the insulin index than people had previously thought.

I thought Panda's post was interesting as I've definitely found that drinking milk helps gains but I tend to get mild sinus problems from it..

Swedish Viking · « **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2008, 03:23:03 AM »

Quote from: chris-a on March 19, 2008, 12:49:51 AM

pasteurized milk = poison. raw milk = health food.

Damn straight x 2...for some. For the time being I have cut it out, but I'd for sure never start eating/drinking pasteurized dairy again.

rccs · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2008, 03:42:27 AM »

When I reduce my milk intake I loose weight and muscle hardness. Some other aspect is that I get hungrier...

RZA · « **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2008, 03:55:16 AM »

Why drink milk if it's pasteurised? Of course, if you're lactose intolerant, the answer is simple. On the other hand, it's like most things, good if you balance it with the rest of your diet and your training of the moment. I drink it mostly in the morning and I'll eat cheese also at lunch, specially if I train heavy at that moment. If the glycemic index is actually higher than what most thought, then maybe post-workout could be a right time also.

TrueGrit · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2008, 04:22:14 AM »

No, it's relatively low on the GI but is surprisingly high on the Insulin index.

RZA · « **Reply #22 on:** March 19, 2008, 04:25:23 AM »

Then would a source of fibers with it help? Certain fruits for example?

TrueGrit · « **Reply #23 on:** March 19, 2008, 04:29:30 AM »

Quote from: RZA on March 19, 2008, 04:25:23 AM

Then would a source of fibers with it help? Certain fruits for example?

I'm not totally sure. Fibre can help reduce insulin secretion can't it.

RZA · « **Reply #24 on:** March 19, 2008, 04:33:27 AM »

Quote from: TrueGrit on March 19, 2008, 04:29:30 AM

I'm not totally sure. Fibre can help reduce insulin secretion can't it.

Yes. Vegetables of course are the best source. People with diabetes are urged to eat vegetables to control their glycemia. But I don't see myself having vegetables every time I have a glass of milk. Bad combination.