Author Topic: Weight loss diet for a large woman (Read 4753 times)

peroni · « **on:** March 20, 2008, 06:36:22 AM »

I'm always interested in hearing other people's opinion, so long as it's an intelligent one, of course. I have a female client who's stuck in the 180's. She's a large frame person who's dropped roughly 70 pounds so far. She's also 5'9 so 130 lbs is not the goal. We're looking to get around 165 ish. Here's a diet I gave her

1) 1/3 - 1/2 cup oats w/ protein powder sprinkled on top

2) 2 yogurts (low sugar) or pc fruit and handful of raw unsalted almonds or protein shake (30 grams and low fat... @ 350 calories)

3) salad w/ grilled fish or chicken or turkey sand, handful of raw veggies instead of chips

4) same as 2

5) lean meat chicken or fish (3-4 ounces) with large side of broc or asparagus, small side of complex carbs
add salad if none at lunch

6) same as # 2 or 4

water intake is 8-10 glass' daily and she supplements with flax oil ( no caffeine in diet to thwart the inner body conversion necessary to uptake the omegas)

assume the exercise is in order and feel free to offer suggestions.
Thanks

peroni · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2008, 06:23:07 PM »

Hey guys. I enjoy hearing/reading other people's opinions (so long as they're intelligent and educated) so I thought I'd throw this one out there.
I have a client who's down from 260 to @ 185 now. She's 48 years old, 5'9 and a endomorph with a slight bit of meso thrown in. The exercise is in place. She drinks enough water and supplements with flax oil for the hdl benefits as well as the slight metabolism boost. (She doesn't consume caffeine so there's nothing thwarting the inner body conversion of the flax)
Here's her diet
1) 1/3 -1/2 cup oatmeal or 2 eggs with ezekiel toast
2) yogurt (low sugar) or cottage cheese or pc fruit and handful of raw unsalted almonds
3) turkey sandwich or salad w/ grilled chicken or fish
4) same as # 2
5) 3-5 ounces of lean meat or chicken or fish. small side of comlex carbs and large side of broc or asparagus
6) same as #2

Thoughts/suggestions?

Deicide · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2008, 07:14:44 PM »

Quote from: peroni on March 20, 2008, 06:23:07 PM

Hey guys. I enjoy hearing/reading other people's opinions (so long as they're intelligent and educated) so I thought I'd throw this one out there.
I have a client who's down from 260 to @ 185 now. She's 48 years old, 5'9 and a endomorph with a slight bit of meso thrown in. The exercise is in place. She drinks enough water and supplements with flax oil for the hdl benefits as well as the slight metabolism boost. (She doesn't consume caffeine so there's nothing thwarting the inner body conversion of the flax)
Here's her diet
1) 1/3 -1/2 cup oatmeal or 2 eggs with ezekiel toast
2) yogurt (low sugar) or cottage cheese or pc fruit and handful of raw unsalted almonds
3) turkey sandwich or salad w/ grilled chicken or fish
4) same as # 2
5) 3-5 ounces of lean meat or chicken or fish. small side of comlex carbs and large side of broc or asparagus
6) same as #2

Thoughts/suggestions?

Get her off those carbs...just meat, fish, eggs and green veggies...broccoli, etc...that's it for carbs....and a zero carb whey isolate would help too...just my opinion...

smaul · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2008, 02:27:38 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on March 20, 2008, 07:14:44 PM

Get her off those carbs...just meat, fish, eggs and green veggies...broccoli, etc...that's it for carbs....and a zero carb whey isolate would help too...just my opinion...

Too harsh, she'll not be able to hack it mentally. On top of that she will rebound like crazy when she comes off the diet.

Looks like she's already lost a lot of weight so stick with that, if it ain't broke, why fix it?

peroni · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2008, 05:04:41 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on March 20, 2008, 07:14:44 PM

Get her off those carbs...just meat, fish, eggs and green veggies...broccoli, etc...that's it for carbs....and a zero carb whey isolate would help too...just my opinion...

Your body is very dependent upon carbs and complex are the most efficient and healthy so I can't cut those out.

Bluto · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2008, 05:36:17 AM »

what made her fat in the first place maybe she got issues

Deicide · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2008, 06:05:54 AM »

Quote from: peroni on March 21, 2008, 05:04:41 AM

Your body is very dependent upon carbs and complex are the most efficient and healthy so I can't cut those out.

Your body is NOT dependent on carbs. Maybe she lacks the willpower...but you don't NEED carbs....carbs are as a general rule counter productive to weight loss since they force the pancreas to continuously pump out insulin which helps stores macronutrients (including fat) and it is an antagonist hormone of glucagon which releases fat. Never mind that you cannot have high HGH secretion simultaneously with high insulin secretion naturally; they too are antagonist hormones...

peroni · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2008, 06:52:46 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on March 21, 2008, 06:05:54 AM

Your body is NOT dependent on carbs. Maybe she lacks the willpower...but you don't NEED carbs....carbs are as a general rule counter productive to weight loss since they force the pancreas to continuously pump out insulin which helps stores macronutrients (including fat) and it is an antagonist hormone of glucagon which releases fat. Never mind that you cannot have high HGH secretion simultaneously with high insulin secretion naturally; they too are antagonist hormones...

No offense, but you might want to read up a little more. I don't want to get off subject, but your body very much needs carbs. They fill numerous roles in living things, such as the storage and transport of energy (starch, glycogen) and structural components (chitin). Additionally, carbohydrates and their derivatives play major roles in the working process of the immune system, fertilization, pathogenesis, blood clotting, and development. To cut them out would be very unhealthy and unwise.

peroni · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2008, 06:55:31 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on March 21, 2008, 05:36:17 AM

what made her fat in the first place maybe she got issues

Good point. She used to drink a lot but has quit a year ago. She won't readily admit to it, but I suspect, like a lot of overweight female clients, she's an emotional eater. From what she's said, I'm gathering that she's working on that and has has achieved a pretty good level of control over it. Otherwise, it would be a no win situation.

peroni · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2008, 06:59:49 AM »

Quote from: smaul on March 21, 2008, 02:27:38 AM

Too harsh, she'll not be able to hack it mentally. On top of that she will rebound like crazy when she comes off the diet.

Looks like she's already lost a lot of weight so stick with that, if it ain't broke, why fix it?

She's plateaued

newmom · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2008, 07:10:33 AM »

good for her on loosing almost 80llbs. Is she at a plateau or just looking to change her diet. I mean for me being overweight and still loosing 3-4 llbs a week, I eat my carbs (1 slice of wheat bread in the am) and cup of rice at lunch and no more for the day. But everyone is different. Great job in helping her

Deicide · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2008, 08:12:39 AM »

Quote from: peroni on March 21, 2008, 06:52:46 AM

No offense, but you might want to read up a little more. I don't want to get off subject, but your body very much needs carbs. They fill numerous roles in living things, such as the storage and transport of energy (starch, glycogen) and structural components (chitin). Additionally, carbohydrates and their derivatives play major roles in the working process of the immune system, fertilization, pathogenesis, blood clotting, and development. To cut them out would be very unhealthy and unwise.

You should tell that to the Inuits...they don't eat any carbs...

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/2

peroni · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2008, 11:40:32 AM »

Quote from: newmom on March 21, 2008, 07:10:33 AM

good for her on loosing almost 80llbs. Is she at a plateau or just looking to change her diet. I mean for me being overweight and still loosing 3-4 llbs a week, I eat my carbs (1 slice of wheat bread in the am) and cup of rice at lunch and no more for the day. But everyone is different. Great job in helping her

Thank you very much

Princess L · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2008, 02:00:56 PM »

I would look at doing a Zone type diet (do not think percentages). Go with about 1 gram protein per pound of LBM (NOT bodyweight), about 1.3 grams carbs per lb./LBM and about .40xlbm for healthy fats, but be sure to include the hidden fats in that number (ie; egg yolks). Take all those numbers - divide by 5. Take one of those numbers and divide it in half. That gives you 4 meals and 2 snacks. Each meal/snack includes each macronutrient.

So say her LBM is 130
That would be ~130 grams protein
~169 grams carbs
~52 grams fat
Each meal would be ~26 grams protein, ~34 grams carbs, 10 grams fat and each snack would be half that.
That's 1600~1700 cals per day, which for someone her size is good.

candidizzle · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2008, 02:24:27 PM »

ive got to agree with deicide. cut out her carbs. shes not an athlete, she doesnt need high intensity energy calories. and even if she was an athlete, she should only eat carbs pre/post workouts.

the enemy of fat metabolism is insulin. if you want to burn fat, you have to drop your insulin levels way down. then you can burn fat. that means no carbs. veggies are fine, they dont count as carbs.

and saying "she wont be able to hack it" and "she will rebound one she comes off the diet"....both of those are completely cock-a-mammy. and you should be slapped for saying that. if she cant stick to the diet, she doesnt want to lose weight. period. no excuses, tell that fat bitch to control what she puts in her mouth, its not hard. and she willl rebound when she comes off teh diet? ANYBODY will "rebound" and put on fat if they return to eating shity. healthy eating is a LIFELONG habit.

FUCK! i hate people with excuses about why they eat what they eat.

peroni · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2008, 07:14:02 PM »

"tell that fat bitch to control what she puts in her mouth, its not hard." - Candidizzle

Wonderful advice. Get some therapy for your anger and stop pretending you know anything about nutrition.

candidizzle · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2008, 07:18:44 PM »

bitch shut the fuck up ive fogotten more about nutrition than youll ever know

peroni · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2008, 07:20:42 PM »

Quote from: candidizzle on March 21, 2008, 07:18:44 PM

bitch shut the fuck up ive fogotten more about nutrition than youll ever know

And spelling too. You're obviously a scholar of the highest order in both fields. You've proven that in both of your posts.

candidizzle · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2008, 07:26:52 PM »

yah IMA fukin JEENYUS!!!

heres my point= tell that fat bitch to stop eating carbohydrates.

benchmstr · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2008, 07:38:21 PM »

Quote from: peroni on March 20, 2008, 06:23:07 PM

Hey guys. I enjoy hearing/reading other people's opinions (so long as they're intelligent and educated) so I thought I'd throw this one out there.
I have a client who's down from 260 to @ 185 now. She's 48 years old, 5'9 and a endomorph with a slight bit of meso thrown in. The exercise is in place. She drinks enough water and supplements with flax oil for the hdl benefits as well as the slight metabolism boost. (She doesn't consume caffeine so there's nothing thwarting the inner body conversion of the flax)
Here's her diet
1) 1/3 -1/2 cup oatmeal or 2 eggs with ezekiel toast
2) yogurt (low sugar) or cottage cheese or pc fruit and handful of raw unsalted almonds
3) turkey sandwich or salad w/ grilled chicken or fish
4) same as # 2
5) 3-5 ounces of lean meat or chicken or fish. small side of comlex carbs and large side of broc or asparagus
6) same as #2

Thoughts/suggestions?

have you considered cocaine

bench

candidizzle · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2008, 07:59:39 PM »

heres what im going to do..ill help you out bro..

replace the flax with fish oil... flax has omega-6 as well as omega-3, you only want the omega 3. shes already getting omega-6.

meal one, 1 whole egg, 8 egg whites, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal two, 4 oz meat, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal three, 4 oz meat, 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal four, 4 oz meat, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal five, 4 oz meat, 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal six, 6 oz meat, small serving green veggies, 5 caps fish oil

plenty of water

cardio 2x per day 45 minutes on a 5 degree inlcine at 3 mph

benchmstr · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2008, 08:58:06 PM »

Quote from: candidizzle on March 21, 2008, 07:59:39 PM

heres what im going to do..ill help you out bro..

replace the flax with fish oil... flax has omega-6 as well as omega-3, you only want the omega 3. shes already getting omega-6.

meal one, 1 whole egg, 8 egg whites, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal two, 4 oz meat, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal three, 4 oz meat, 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal four, 4 oz meat, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal five, 4 oz meat, 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal six, 6 oz meat, small serving green veggies, 5 caps fish oil

plenty of water

cardio 2x per day 45 minutes on a 5 degree inlcine at 3 mph

i figured you of all people would agree with my last statement

bench

candidizzle · « **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2008, 09:00:54 PM »

Quote from: benchmstr on March 21, 2008, 08:58:06 PM

i figured you of all people would agree with my last statement

bench

i fgures that was a reference to me.. lol

but; nah.. coke was horrible for my body composition. i got fatter and lost muscle at the same time. (dont eat for 10 hours and then binge eat on shit foodfor an hour, dont eat for 10 hours, binge eat on shit food for an hour...ect..plus no sleep..)

newmom · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2008, 05:10:53 AM »

can I ask why all the fish oil, my doctor wants me to take just to fish oil vitamins a day

peroni · « **Reply #24 on:** March 22, 2008, 05:45:31 AM »

Quote from: candidizzle on March 21, 2008, 07:59:39 PM

heres what im going to do..ill help you out bro..

replace the flax with fish oil... flax has omega-6 as well as omega-3, you only want the omega 3. shes already getting omega-6.

meal one, 1 whole egg, 8 egg whites, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal two, 4 oz meat, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal three, 4 oz meat, 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal four, 4 oz meat, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal five, 4 oz meat, 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter, unlimited green veggies, 2 caps fish oil
meal six, 6 oz meat, small serving green veggies, 5 caps fish oil

plenty of water

cardio 2x per day 45 minutes on a 5 degree inlcine at 3 mph

Following your advice, with all the meat, oil, and fiber, she'll poop her way to 160 in 2 weeks time! On top of that, her kidneys will be beat up from too much protein.