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what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« on: March 20, 2008, 01:44:53 PM »
Ok so I will be on very low carb soon, so whats worth to take to help keep muscle (and how much)?
From food (+2 protein shake/day) I eat about 240g protein, I am 6'2" and 244 pounds.
On traning days I drink 30g bcaa and 15g eaa's during my workout, and before it 4g L-Arginine.
For fats I eat 2tbs peanut butter.

Plan to buy:

fish-oil, (how much daily?)
Acetyl-L- Carnitine, (1.8g morning, during traning, before bed?)

what else should i buy?
Oh and I just ordered two bottle MAN Scorch. No ECA posts pls, thanks!

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2008, 02:38:15 PM »
micellar casein

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 02:55:40 PM »
Trueprotein shipping is to expensive for me. :(
But maybe I just buy simple Calcium Caseinate, not a bad idea thanks.

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2008, 03:09:12 PM »
Trueprotein shipping is to expensive for me. :(
But maybe I just buy simple Calcium Caseinate, not a bad idea thanks.

If you're in need of cheaper protein, check out Whey Tech (by BodyTech, from Vitamin Shoppe). A 5-lb. jug is $25-$28.

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2008, 04:35:34 PM »
Ok so I will be on very low carb soon, so whats worth to take to help keep muscle (and how much)?
From food (+2 protein shake/day) I eat about 240g protein, I am 6'2" and 244 pounds.
On traning days I drink 30g bcaa and 15g eaa's during my workout, and before it 4g L-Arginine.
For fats I eat 2tbs peanut butter.

Plan to buy:

fish-oil, (how much daily?)
Acetyl-L- Carnitine, (1.8g morning, during traning, before bed?)

what else should i buy?
Oh and I just ordered two bottle MAN Scorch. No ECA posts pls, thanks!


HOW ABOUT THIS...BUMP YOUR PROTIEN UP TO 300 G DIALY. AT LEAST 300 GRAMS.  spread that out into 6 meals. at each meal consume some fiber(veggies) in order to keep the protien moving and to better digest the protien. the fiber will also keep blood sugar more stable, speed the metabolism, and make you burn fat more efficiently.

take as much fish oil as you can afford to take. otpimally, 15-20 grams per day. but if you can afford more, then do more.

if you can, substitute "udo's" oil for the peanut butter, and keep your protein sources LEAN.

cut out the protien shak, only take one, and have it be immidietly postworkout with some udos oil(or peanut butter if you cant get the udo's)

l-carnitine is good, but just take it one time...in the morning on an empty stomach.

move 15grams of the bcaa's and 10 grams of the eaa's to pre workout, and continue with the other 15 grams bcaa's and 5 grams eaa during workout.


if you want to get other supplements, good choices are an extra strength green tea, a lean casien protein for before bed, a non-caloric pre workout N.O. product... thats about it.

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2008, 05:37:24 PM »
I didnt start bodybuilding last week. I know how to eat. On traning days (5days/week) with the 35g bcaa and 15g eaa's thats 290g protein. I drink 1/4 of the bcaa, eaas 10mins before my traning.
I used to eat 350+ gramms of protein, but for a while I only eat 240-290 and I noticed absolutely no difference!

Any of you have heard about Cissus Quadrangularis?

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 07:16:04 PM »
I didnt start bodybuilding last week. I know how to eat. On traning days (5days/week) with the 35g bcaa and 15g eaa's thats 290g protein. I drink 1/4 of the bcaa, eaas 10mins before my traning.
I used to eat 350+ gramms of protein, but for a while I only eat 240-290 and I noticed absolutely no difference!

Any of you have heard about Cissus Quadrangularis?
 

:D

http://www.lipidworld.com/content/5/1/24
http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/forum/printthread.php?t=1285

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2008, 07:26:43 PM »
I didnt start bodybuilding last week. I know how to eat. On traning days (5days/week) with the 35g bcaa and 15g eaa's thats 290g protein. I drink 1/4 of the bcaa, eaas 10mins before my traning.
I used to eat 350+ gramms of protein, but for a while I only eat 240-290 and I noticed absolutely no difference!

Any of you have heard about Cissus Quadrangularis?
 

:D

http://www.lipidworld.com/content/5/1/24
http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/forum/printthread.php?t=1285

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Dude, Candi is right on this one. You said you eat 240 g. of protein, no carbs and 2 tbsn. of PB (~16 g. Fats).

That is roughly 960 cal. from protein and 135 cal. from Fat for a total of 1,095 cal. Is that correct?

Spend your money on food and not Cissus  :-\

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2008, 09:53:47 PM »
thanks busyb.


i try to help a guy out, and he cops an attitude! lol. ;D

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2008, 12:12:27 AM »
Trueprotein shipping is to expensive for me. :(
But maybe I just buy simple Calcium Caseinate, not a bad idea thanks.

don't have to order from trueprotein ,  micellar casein or milk protein isolate ( its cheaper ) are the best solution , maybe milk protein is even better solution , you can use it in your PWM , for MRP , before bed

casein is more anticatabolic protein , because of that he is great for use when you are on diet

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2008, 08:53:41 AM »
Who said I am on no carb?? I am on 190g carb right now, but yesterday I was on 210g. I will take more fat as the carb is lowering. Plus 45g bcaa eaa mix is protein too, but if we dont count that:

4*240 cal (protein)
4*190 cal (carb)
9*30  cal (fat - 3tbs peanutbutter from today)
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1990 cal

Plus I am planning to add 2-3g fish oil per meal.

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Re: what is worth to take when cutting to prevent muscle loss?
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 09:28:23 AM »
Who said I am on no carb?? I am on 190g carb right now, but yesterday I was on 210g. I will take more fat as the carb is lowering. Plus 45g bcaa eaa mix is protein too, but if we dont count that:

4*240 cal (protein)
4*190 cal (carb)
9*30  cal (fat - 3tbs peanutbutter from today)
--------
1990 cal

Plus I am planning to add 2-3g fish oil per meal.

Ok, good, you left out that vital info before...