Obama's Speech—A Brief for Whitey

[candidizzle]

ho damn another reason to hate you, you stupid leftist media - brainwashed teen.

you have no idea who i am or what i have done in american politics.  all you know is i am a white kid thats into bodybuilding at posts under "candidizzle".    


dont act like you know ANYTHING about the u.s. government, its politicians, and the way things are ran. you dont.

[candidizzle]

THIS black chick is hot!

[chaos]

you have no idea who i am or what i have done in american politics.  all you know is i am a white kid thats into bodybuilding at posts under "candidizzle".    


dont act like you know ANYTHING about the u.s. government, its politicians, and the way things are ran. you dont.

You're 18, stole 10grand from your family to feed your cocaine addiction, were a fat slob, now a skrawny slob, and you are a race traitor.

You have done nothing in politics or for the American people.

[G o a t b o y]

more entitlements? says who? who supports that? are you considering national healthcare an entitlement? do you consider the fire deparment and police department and usps entitlement programs?

Last I checked, the police and fire departments were financed by local taxes, not the federal government.  And the USPS is a joke.  FedEx and UPS do a far better job.  And nationalizing the health care system would be a joke.  It would only be better for the uninsured.  For anyone who currently has insurance, it would be far, far worse.

[calmus]

And nationalizing the health care system would be a joke.  It would only be better for the uninsured.  For anyone who currently has insurance, it would be far, far worse.

And on what do you base that statement? A theory you came up with on your drive home?

[candidizzle]

 ;Dyou guys are hilarious.

[240 is Back]

I don't know how I feel about universal coverage.

I have really good health insurance NOW, but I went for 18 months without coverage after the baby was born (he took my spot on the plan - adding a 3rd person was an insane $ jump).  Finally, I got off my ass and got regular coverage with a small monthly bill on my own.

I would hate to see my quaility of service decline because 40 million people climbed on free.  On the other hand, I have 2 neices (with lazy parents) without coverage and I worry about them a lot, and know that someone who would cover them would take away that worry.

Actually though, seeing as hilary failed in 1993 with her efforts and quickly got in bed with big medicine, I think nobody will get it accomplished and its all lip service.

[calmus]

I don't know how I feel about universal coverage.

I have really good health insurance NOW, but I went for 18 months without coverage after the baby was born (he took my spot on the plan - adding a 3rd person was an insane $ jump).  Finally, I got off my ass and got regular coverage with a small monthly bill on my own.

I would hate to see my quaility of service decline because 40 million people climbed on free.  On the other hand, I have 2 neices (with lazy parents) without coverage and I worry about them a lot, and know that someone who would cover them would take away that worry.

Actually though, seeing as hilary failed in 1993 with her efforts and quickly got in bed with big medicine, I think nobody will get it accomplished and its all lip service.

Think about it rationally. If it's funded the same way that social security is funded (payroll deductions),  then there's no reason for the quality of your service to decline. 

Studies indicate that in the long run, access to preventive care will mean cheaper insurance for all of us.

[G o a t b o y]

And on what do you base that statement? A theory you came up with on your drive home?

Knowing how socialized medicine works in countries that have it.

Right now, if I need a CAT scan, I can get one within days... if I need an operation, I will get it within a week or two.  If I need to see a specialist, I can get an appointment within a week.

In socialized medicine countries, the government tells you what you do and don't get, and you wait forever for it.

[calmus]

Knowing how socialized medicine works in countries that have it.

Right now, if I need a CAT scan, I can get one within days... if I need an operation, I will get it within a week or two.  If I need to see a specialist, I can get an appointment within a week.

In socialized medicine countries, the government tells you what you do and don't get, and you wait forever for it.

Except we're not getting socialized medicine.

If you'd bothered to look at the candidates' proposals, you would know that none of them call for "uniform" coverage, just universal coverage.

If you want additional coverage, you can have it.  Most people who are covered through their jobs won't miss a beat.

[candidizzle]

monster lack of using your own mind. brutal attempt at repeating conservative talking points. epic lack of knowledge.

 

[timfogarty]

It would only be better for the uninsured.  For anyone who currently has insurance, it would be far, far worse.

I know, let's make it even easier for the health insurance companies to drop the people they don't want.  Then those who still have health insurance will have it even better.


I know again, let's privatize the fire department.  That way rich people will have even better fire protection, and poor people don't have much to lose anyway.

[G o a t b o y]

Except we're not getting socialized medicine.

If you'd bothered to look at the candidates' proposals, you would know that none of them call for "uniform" coverage, just universal coverage.

If you want additional coverage, you can have it.  Most people who are covered through their jobs won't miss a beat.

Any way you look at it, it's still a transfer program, taxing money from those who have insurance (and either pay for it directly or indirectly in the form of it being a portion of their total compensation) to give it away free to those who don't.  Welcome to the "People's Republic of Amerika". 

[G o a t b o y]

I know again, let's privatize the fire department.  That way rich people will have even better fire protection, and poor people don't have much to lose anyway.

Someone really needs to teach you libs that fire departments are not part of the federal government. 

Last I checked, the police and fire departments were financed by local taxes, not the federal government. 

[candidizzle]

so theres no such thing as federally funded firefighters?


 
this is gonna be good.

[Camel Jockey]

so theres no such thing as federally funded firefighters?


 
this is gonna be good.

State and locally funded.

[G o a t b o y]

I know, let's make it even easier for the health insurance companies to drop the people they don't want.  Then those who still have health insurance will have it even better.

   Good job throwing up a red herring.



The point is, I don't want to see America's health care system, the best in the world, turn into the clusterfucck they have in Europe just so those too cheap to buy insurance can ride on my dime while I have to wait in line for months behind them. 

[calmus]

Someone really needs to teach you libs that fire departments are not part of the federal government. 

  What's your point, beach bum? Does it matter if it's the fed or state? you're willing to pay for UHC in Texas as long as Texas sponsors it? 

[calmus]

   Good job throwing up a red herring.



The point is, I don't want to see America's health care system, the best in the world, turn into the clusterfucck they have in Europe just so those too cheap to buy insurance can ride on my dime while I have to wait in line for months behind them. 

Quit acting like your paranoid fantasies will turn into reality.  The whole system is not going to be socialized.

When we got social security, they didn't take away retirement funds, did they? 

[G o a t b o y]

Quit acting like your paranoid fantasies will turn into reality.  The whole system is not going to be socialized.

When we got social security, they didn't take away retirement funds, did they? 

If most people end up covered under the federal system, the government will eventually call all the shots in the health care system, deciding who gets what and when.  It will end up like Europe in the end. 

[timfogarty]

Any way you look at it, it's still a transfer program, taxing money from those who have insurance (and either pay for it directly or indirectly in the form of it being a portion of their total compensation) to give it away free to those who don't.  Welcome to the "People's Republic of Amerika". 

like over crowded emergency rooms filled with people with no insurance, with little problems turning into big problems because of lack of routine care, isn't costing you billions.

[240 is Back]

I don't know how I feel about it.  Seeing what happened in 1993, we know that hilary couldn't/wouldn't do it, even with Bill giving her a blank check.  no more progress in 16 years.  it's a great way to get elected... you are basically telling every 1 in 6 voters that you will give them free healthcare.

But I don't think they'll get it done.  

besides, when you don't have medical coverage, you still get ER treatment (more expensive, but it's there- no one is ever denied).  It's after they find something broken that a lack of health care means you don't get fixed.

[G o a t b o y]

like over crowded emergency rooms filled with people with no insurance, with little problems turning into big problems because of lack of routine care, isn't costing you billions.

I don't know how it is where you live, but here there are hospitals all over the place, in both rich and poor neighborhoods.  All of the charity cases get routed to taxpayer-funded Ben Taub hospital.  Sure it costs me money, but at least I don't have to wait in line behind them and get crappy care, since I'd be going to Memorial City hospital instead.

[calmus]

I don't know how I feel about it.  Seeing what happened in 1993, we know that hilary couldn't/wouldn't do it, even with Bill giving her a blank check.  no more progress in 16 years.  it's a great way to get elected... you are basically telling every 1 in 6 voters that you will give them free healthcare.

But I don't think they'll get it done. 

besides, when you don't have medical coverage, you still get ER treatment (more expensive, but it's there- no one is ever denied).  It's after they find something broken that a lack of health care means you don't get fixed.

  We didn't get it because the bitch wouldn't negotiate with insurance cos.

[calmus]

I don't know how it is where you live, but here there are hospitals all over the place, in both rich and poor neighborhoods.  All of the charity cases get routed to taxpayer-funded Ben Taub hospital.  Sure it costs me money, but at least I don't have to wait in line behind them and get crappy care, since I'd be going to Memorial City hospital instead.

And here we have a perfect example of "Can't see beyond my own nose" syndrome.