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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2008, 12:21:32 PM »
all bodybuilding mags seem to be nothing more than supplement catalogs, the first improvement is obvious for any of them, remore about 75% of the ads, ALSO have some criteria on screening of the ads, meaning the outrageous ads with unrealistic claims should not be allowed, it's insulting to the intelligence of the reader and not fair to the uneducated in the industry that believe this crap, i.e. naive teens.

that would be a start.

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2008, 12:23:40 PM »
You can get rid of all the fitness models and put freaky mass monsters only instead.
If I want to see some hot chic,i prefer to buy some porno mags.

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2008, 12:26:20 PM »
if I had to buy a Mag, it would be Flex, then MD, then MuscleMag, only then I would buy an Ironman Mag.

Flex, MD, MuscleMag, Muscle & Fitness and only then Ironman.  :-\

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2008, 12:30:44 PM »
Simply copy the MD formula it works and I only pick up their magazine because nothing comes close, see here is why that formula works, flex, m&f is picked up by schmoes they are not dedicated to bodybuilding, MD because it has real content people make it a point to pick up month in a and month out hence they are growing by leaps and bounds.

Now here is your mistake, you think that posting a few swimsuit photos will help sales, well you know by now that dont work, magazines that have full hardcore sections dont sell anymore, its not 1980 anymore its 2008 that stuff dont sell in magazines hence FHM is already out of business and almost all that banked on bikini or even sex photos are heading to bankrupcy court.

So this is the only way to rescue the mag.

Real content, stop with those stupid pages on how to do pushups and how many reps and sets to do for chest, you dont need those fly by night readers.

Now lets remember tabloids make money, why because they have juicy gossip.

So the cover should stop reading "Add 12 inches to your arm in 14 days" and start reading something about industry gossip, and stuff like "The truth about Dbol" etc real stuff not the stupid shit

The content should be Q&A's with pros and write ups from pros just like MD, make sure the Q&A are real not every answer is "Drink nitrotech"

Write about steroids that sells end of story and that has a following,

You have 2 choices be out of business guaranteed within 12-18 months or make drastic changes ASAP

I understabd you are up against the same mindset of people that dont listen, people like old guys at blockbuster who didnt think netflix is a threat people like steve balmer that laughed at google, my point being they need to learn its a new world and give younger guys who keep up with that world total control and let them change everything about the mag.


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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2008, 12:41:08 PM »
Go with the old format, just make it the same size as other mags on the shelf ( so it won't get lost.)

Do a 50% -50% first half new articles on real workouts. Use Kris from kegged muscle for your photos he has unique and beautiful shots. The second half, reprint old articles from 60's 70' and 80's, with same pics, just format the page a little different. The second half should be like the stuff over on IronAge ( a great site.)

have old school adds, if Muscle tech ( or anyone ) wants an ad, work with them to make a specific retro ad for IronMan.

Get behind Vince Taylor as an editor / monthly contributor. Get him on the staff make him a part of things, he has a loyal following.

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Exactly.  retro articles would be great.   Id subscribe in a heartbeat...

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2008, 12:45:27 PM »
1st get those 2 xrep guys to stop lying about not talking gear - it insults the readers intelligence.

2nd no more ghost written articles.

3rd start funding and reporting real ongoing scientific studies,

for example:

take 10 guys with equal caloric and macronutirent ratios, but work them with different workout styles i.e. hit, volume, doggcrapp, take the results for hypertrophy and strength. then start again with strength workouts i.e. westside, metal malitia, 5x5 etc. then compare the 2 winners.

compare steroids. like dbol vs deca. ( obviously run this in a country where its allowed) for muscle gain and strength.

yes these sorts of studies have been done before, but very few have totally reliable testing methods etc.

the potential is endless, and you wouldn't even need to pay the participents - many would get involved for both the love of the game, and for some the publicity.

thats just to get you going. if you want any more tips, get me on the payroll 8)
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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2008, 12:49:51 PM »
Sure, there are exceptions, but as a general trend, magazines are going the way of the dodo.  Not exactly a conspiracy theory.

Which ones would those be?

The only magazines I've see go away over the last 10-15 years have been Muscle Media and Pump!

Pump's demise seem to, as I've said elsewhere, coincide with the demise of the supplement company that backed (So Cal Sports, I believe), whose main products were prohormones and ma-huang-based fatburners. A handful of upstart publications came from companies like that.

MuscleTech would have met the same fate (and perhaps MuscleMag International, along with it) had the company not shifted its focus from Hydroxycut and the prohormones (Anotesten and Nortesten) to Cell-Tech and Nitro-Tech.

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2008, 07:25:53 AM »
peary rader's ironman was always a solid mag selling quality equipment and giving good advice from day one, and yes they even gave steroid advice back in the day.
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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2008, 04:22:12 AM »
I have read  IRONMAN since 1970s. (but now I did not)

*More pro bber columns ,even top amateurs.
*More foreign edition (has Japanese already).because too many bb mags in US already,
but like in Asia ,still need more bb mags here (local language & English both).

*more contest reports ,not just NPC.
Need World's ,European ,Asian......amateur contest's reports....

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2008, 12:44:20 PM »
*More foreign edition (has Japanese already).because too many bb mags in US already,
but like in Asia ,still need more bb mags here (local language & English both).

for most of the bodybuilding mags, including Ironman, the foreign editions are franchises.  they are separate local companies that pay a licensing fee to use the name.    they have their own editors, staff, and printers. they have the right to use each others content, but mostly they do not.

The September 2004 issue of Australian Ironman had a very nice article about me and my website.    The US version had the right to reprint it, but chose not to.

They sent me a few copies of that issue of Australian Ironman, and the most noticeable thing about it is how uncluttered it seems.  fewer ads, but also lots of space between the text, headlines and pics. 

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2008, 01:23:48 PM »
I, too, am a fan of the little yellow IronMan. If you could find a way to copy that mix (say 40% bodybuilding, 40% WL, PL, Strongman, 20% other), you'd have a great magazine.

Throw in a section for half naked fitness girls, and a few pages for a decent, but not assholish drug guru, and it would be all the better.

I think the  best years for IronMan were the Peary Rader years and that short period(1998-2000) where they were a bit more experimental. 

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2008, 05:02:51 PM »
The magazine is fine.  Print magazines are on their way to death.  Just let it be.

This reminds me of those posts where people ask how to make bodybuilding marketable.  As if people believe there is anything that can be done.  ;D

Print mags in general, yes, nitche mags like bodybuilding mags not necessarily...

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2008, 06:19:05 PM »
I heard when Peary Rader was retiring and wanted someone to take over the magazine. I always thought that would be a great job. However, why would anyone nowadays want to be the editor of a muscle magazine?

What has changed is that guys used drugs in the old days but it was insider/underground stuff and no one was really admitting to using such drugs. Today those drugs are classified as illegal to own and use without a prescription. Sort of changes everything.

What information do bodybuilders need to become Mr Olympia or Mr Universe? Do they need to know how to train and which equipment is best, etc.? Or do they need a guru to advise them on which drugs to take and for how long and how to avoid gynocomastia, if that is avoidable?

The drug use has killed hypertrophy theory and it seems irrelevant because just about everyone believes you just need the right drugs and genetics and voila, Mr Olympia. That isn't true but many believe it to be. The point is people aren't buying magazines to find information any more. That is the difference between today and the good old days.

I would advise John Balik to hire a true expert in bodybuilding. He could also introduce proper scientific experts in bodybuilding to his team. That is, if there are any such experts out there. It would be refreshing if someone came along and was honest about the supplements. Guess that magazine wouldn't have any ads then! How hard is it to actually pay photographers and writers for good photos and articles? I remember issues of the old magazines that had full page photos of every Mr America. Stuff like that would still be a treat to have.

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2008, 06:42:00 PM »
Here's an idea:

VOUCH FOR YOUR ADVERTISERS

When supplement company X wants to purchase a full page ad (~$5k) for some product (say: Protein Powder X), someone from IRONMAN should head to the nearest GNC and buy a tub of said protein powder and send it off to a qualified lab for a full quality analysis.

Send the labs bill to the supplement company, then and only then should the ad go to print... with the lab analysis included.

Granted, the snakeoil companies would no longer advertise in IRONMAN, but you can bet most supplement consumers would pick up a copy of the mag... the increase in readership and prestige afforded by an IRONMAN magazine endorsement would allow you to charge whatever you want for ad space.

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2008, 07:22:10 PM »
i say go all the way out law lots of talk about scandal and steroids you wont be able to go mainstream as flex and muscle mag have that part wrapped up i say go sub culture look at how busy this place is and its main talks are gossip and drugs
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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2008, 07:29:06 PM »
Maybe John surrounds himself with staff who agree with him? Not a formula for getting original ideas out there. I never bought that positions of flexion stuff. Neither should anyone else.

I stopped writing for muscle magazines after my articles in Ironman in 2000-01. I prefer to post my ideas on the internet or keep them to myself. Few editors have a clue about hypertrophy. It is a waste of my time to write for them.

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2008, 07:32:49 PM »
dedicate the magazine to the followin years:

1983 thru 1997.

That's it.

haney and dorian year.

You have ironage for all the old shit, and getbig/md for everything coleman on.

the 'golden years' of bodybuilding were teh best.
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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2008, 08:23:33 PM »
You guys need to change everything.
Seriously, that's the last mag that I would read

if I had to buy a Mag, it would be Flex, then MD, then MuscleMag, only then I would buy an Ironman Mag.

The magazine needs more contest coverage/bodybuilding talk, advice from personal trainers.

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2008, 08:37:38 PM »
Thanks.  I try :-*  Anyway, when you sneak dudes into the basement, how do you keep your parents from hearing?  Serious question

We don't have basements here in Ireland... they'd be moats pretty quickly.


I was actually being serious with my comment though Panda, you're not funny enough to contribute so little.

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2008, 08:38:29 PM »
We don't have basements here in Ireland... they'd be moats pretty quickly.


I was actually being serious with my comment though Panda, you're not funny enough to contribute so little.

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coming from an unemployed thirty something "guy" who lives with "his" parents, I'll take that as a compliment :-*

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2008, 08:44:42 PM »
coming from an unemployed thirty something "guy" who lives with "his" parents, I'll take that as a compliment :-*

...wow, running someone else down about something they openly admitted and presumably aren't ashamed of, that's very original coming from you Panda.

I was being serious... you contribute nothing to this board... just as you've contributed nothing to this discussion... your posts are painfully predictable and unfunny; the same lame catchphrases; the same lame putdowns; the same painfully obvious transference of your own latent homosexuality.

You, sir, could be replaced with an automated response program.


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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2008, 08:45:40 PM »
...wow, running someone else down about something they openly admitted and presumably aren't ashamed of, that's very original coming from you Panda.

I was being serious... you contribute nothing to this board... just as you've contributed nothing to this discussion... your posts are painfully predictable and unfunny; the same lame catchphrases; the same lame putdowns; the same painfully obvious transference of your own latent homosexuality.

You, sir, could be replaced with an automated response program.


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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2008, 08:50:05 PM »
:-\

...an emoticon does not constitute discussion.

Either give us your thoughts on how to improve IRONMAN magazine or run back to one of your soon-to-be-deleted troll boards where you can accuse others of your own homosexual tendencies.

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2008, 09:03:01 PM »
Sure it does.  FOR EXAMPLE.... " :'( " means your sister gave me a bad blowjob last night :D
what does it mean when The Luke uses " :'( " ?

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Re: IRONMAN Magazine - how would you improve it?
« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2008, 09:06:00 PM »
what does it mean when The Luke uses " :'( " ?

 ;D

hahaha I ain't even gonna go there.  What "he" does in the privacy of "his" own family isn't any of my business...I just don't like it when "his" sister overcharges for a BJ :D