Ron Paul and Americas economy

[Bindare_Dundat]

[Hedgehog]

JOIN THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!

Sport a "Jesus Freak" T-shirt, don't take a shower for umpteen days, surf the web for obscure "truth" websites, go to convents with a Jansport backpacker snug tight, stay on a steady diet of Peanut Butter Sammiches, and you could also become a RON PAUL believer!

j/k bro.

Nice clip though.

I think it's nice to see a different voice, what I didn't like about the "Ron Paul Maniacs" was that they somehow made him out to be some kind of "pop" anti-government, pro-conspiracy theory-dude.

He's a guy with a different political agenda than many Republicans.

Political diversity is refreshing.

That's why I think a parliamentary system
 is superior to a two-party system.

[Deicide]

JOIN THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!

Sport a "Jesus Freak" T-shirt, don't take a shower for umpteen days, surf the web for obscure "truth" websites, go to convents with a Jansport backpacker snug tight, stay on a steady diet of Peanut Butter Sammiches, and you could also become a RON PAUL believer!

j/k bro.

Nice clip though.

I think it's nice to see a different voice, what I didn't like about the "Ron Paul Maniacs" was that they somehow made him out to be some kind of "pop" anti-government, pro-conspiracy theory-dude.

He's a guy with a different political agenda than many Republicans.

Political diversity is refreshing.

That's why I think a parliamentary system
 is superior to a two-party system.

Agreed.

[shootfighter1]

I also agree.
Some of the Ron Paul supporters are...interesting...but his message is clear enough and based on common sense + logic.  hopefully, more people take note.

[G o a t b o y]

I also agree.
Some of the Ron Paul supporters are...interesting...but his message is clear enough and based on common sense + logic.  hopefully, more people take note.

He should have distanced himself from the nut-bags... repudiated them very early in his campaign so people realize their nutty policies are not his.  True libertarianism is not radical or earth-shaking... it's very much in line with the way our country was run in the first 150 years of its existance, and is the only current political philosophy that is true to the Constitution.

[calmus]

I have a doctor's appointment today. I'll be sure to ask him about what the Fed should do.   

[G o a t b o y]

I have doctor's appointment today. I'll be sure to ask him about what he thinks the Fed should do.   

At least Paul has a decent understanding of this stuff.  Ask Bush about the Fed, and his response would be, "Fed?  Yeah, I been fed... dinner was an hour ago."

[calmus]

At least Paul has a decent understanding of this stuff.  Ask Bush about the Fed, and his response would be, "Fed?  Yeah, I been fed... dinner was an hour ago."

You mean he knows enough to be dangerous.

[G o a t b o y]

You mean he knows enough to be dangerous.

Dangerous to the socialist state the current crop of politicians have been building, perhaps.   

[shootfighter1]

What does that mean calmus?  (Implying that Ron Paul was an OB/GYN doctor and therefore not educated enough on economics and politics?)

I just went back and listened to the whole clip.  Its worth the 6 minutes.  Really makes a lot of sense.  Finally, someone who speaks straight without being blind faith in his political party.

[calmus]

No president understands enough about what kind of regulation/risk management is needed for all the derivatives floating around the markets today.  These products were designed by people with advanced degrees in math/hard sciences, and even people like Chuck Prince could not understand them.  ANd it was his job (post SOX) to make sure they didn't bite Citi in the ass.

Bush doesn't want to regulate, period, which is stupid. A good president is someone who will appoint the right investigators and facilitate Congress and the agency in passing the right statutes/promulgating required rules, and not treat this as a partisan question.  He also won't go on tv and act like he knows something, which Bush did.

Both Bush and Ron Paul are basically doing the same thing. Talking about shit they don't have the slightest clue about.  Spouting homespun wisdom might have worked before the 1980s.  Now there's whole new beasts out there. And you just can't knock them out without knowing what you're doing.

Bottom line: someone like Bernanke knows a whole lot more about this than Ron Paul.  Although I don't know if he's the man (or Christopher Cox) to usher in the required regulation.  Maybe he can if God will tell Bush it's ok to regulate.

[shootfighter1]

I disagree.  Ron Paul is talking more about basic philosophies.  Did you listen to the clip?  Based on your post, I'm assuming you didn't...

[calmus]

Can't watch it. I'm at work.  But I have watched enough of his "we need to get back to the basics" bs. 

The horse has already bolted the barn.  To get what he wants, the whole system would have to meltdown.... in which case we'll be living in caves and it won't matter anyway. 

[Hedgehog]

At least Paul has a decent understanding of this stuff.  Ask Bush about the Fed, and his response would be, "Fed?  Yeah, I been fed... dinner was an hour ago."

No, Bush's response when he was asked what he was gonna do if USA faced a financial crisis was:

"I would call the head of the Fed and see what they were gonna do"

Real smart guy, Bush.


Brightest bulb in the lighthouse he is not.

[calmus]

No, Bush's response when he was asked what he was gonna do if USA faced a financial crisis was:

"I would call the head of the Fed and see what they were gonna do"

Real smart guy, Bush.


Brightest bulb in the lighthouse he is not.

That's the appropriate response.


The inappropriate response was his comment that he was afraid there was going to be "too much regulation"

Anybody with half a brain knows that CDOs and derivatives are pretty much completely unregulated now, and are the major cause of all the hiccoughs in the securities and other markets. 

[stormshadow]

I have a doctor's appointment today. I'll be sure to ask him about what the Fed should do.   

You speak the language of a self righteous dictator.  Instead of letting people ask legitimate questions (like Ron does) you bash the person and dismiss them as unqualified to question the powers that be.

I don't care if its a farmer or a garbage man asking questions, they deserve to be addressed by our government.

[Bindare_Dundat]

No president understands enough about what kind of regulation/risk management is needed for all the derivatives floating around the markets today.  These products were designed by people with advanced degrees in math/hard sciences, and even people like Chuck Prince could not understand them.  ANd it was his job (post SOX) to make sure they didn't bite Citi in the ass.

Bush doesn't want to regulate, period, which is stupid. A good president is someone who will appoint the right investigators and facilitate Congress and the agency in passing the right statutes/promulgating required rules, and not treat this as a partisan question.  He also won't go on tv and act like he knows something, which Bush did.

Both Bush and Ron Paul are basically doing the same thing. Talking about shit they don't have the slightest clue about.  Spouting homespun wisdom might have worked before the 1980s.  Now there's whole new beasts out there. And you just can't knock them out without knowing what you're doing.

Bottom line: someone like Bernanke knows a whole lot more about this than Ron Paul.  Although I don't know if he's the man (or Christopher Cox) to usher in the required regulation.  Maybe he can if God will tell Bush it's ok to regulate.

But Obama knows it all huh? God, you're stupid.

[shootfighter1]

calmus, listen to it later if you have a chance.  Its more general philosophies and I don't think you would completely disagree.  R.P. is very much against this war, our policies of policing the globe (which is not helping our internation reputation or our budget), our fiscal irresponsibility and borrowing $ from other countries to finance our imbalanced budgets.  He's not the savior or some personal economic think tank.  He is just applying some basic economic principles and shining light on the fact that both sides need to rethink our policies and spending.

[calmus]

calmus, listen to it later if you have a chance.  Its more general philosophies and I don't think you would completely disagree.  R.P. is very much against this war, our policies of policing the globe (which is not helping our internation reputation or our budget), our fiscal irresponsibility and borrowing $ from other countries to finance our imbalanced budgets.  He's not the savior or some personal economic think tank.  He is just applying some basic economic principles and shining light on the fact that both sides need to rethink our policies and spending.

then why didn't he run as an independent?

As I've stated repeatedly (even before the graphic on spending was posted), the Republican party has become the party of deficit spending.  If he meant what he says, he should have had the courage of his convictions.

Also, his position on Fed intervention is outdated (to put it nicely).  Greenspan was a Republican appointee and he used his powers as a good Republican would... and largely facilitated the current mess.

[Bindare_Dundat]

calmus, listen to it later if you have a chance.  Its more general philosophies and I don't think you would completely disagree.  R.P. is very much against this war, our policies of policing the globe (which is not helping our internation reputation or our budget), our fiscal irresponsibility and borrowing $ from other countries to finance our imbalanced budgets.  He's not the savior or some personal economic think tank.  He is just applying some basic economic principles and shining light on the fact that both sides need to rethink our policies and spending.

He lumped Bush and Paul together, I can't take anything calmus says seriously anymore, where I at least gave him a chance and an open mind before. How can anyone say those two men are the same is beyond me.

Paul was talking about stuff that's affecting us before anyone even knew what day it was, that's why no one took him seriously, now that shit hit the fan all the othe canidates are saying some of the same things and are being praised for it like it was just new news.

[Bindare_Dundat]

He should have distanced himself from the nut-bags... repudiated them very early in his campaign so people realize their nutty policies are not his. 

He already addressed that issue at one of the debates.

[shootfighter1]

Ron Paul defines himself as a constitutionalist.  He states they are the traditional/original republicans.  Its extremely clear that he is not a Bush republican.  I don't know how you can maintain they are similar.

Running on an independent ticket does not work in this country.  I hate the 2 party system, but unless there is a major change, candidates need to ally with one party or the other.  We must concern ourselves with the message itself.  Ron, himself, is not some great poised political icon...its the message thats important, the message of balance and common sense.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Ron Paul defines himself as a constitutionalist.  He states they are the traditional/original republicans.  Its extremely clear that he is not a Bush republican.  I don't know how you can maintain they are similar.

Running on an independent ticket does not work in this country.  I hate the 2 party system, but unless there is a major change, candidates need to ally with one party or the other.  We must concern ourselves with the message itself.  Ron, himself, is not some great poised political icon...its the message thats important, the message of balance and common sense.

Thats the major difference between Paul and EVERY other canidate, he and his supporters know he is not as important as the MESSAGE.

McCaim, Obama, Hilary, they are all duplicitous politicians and people fall for their brand of delivery everytime.

[calmus]

Ron Paul defines himself as a constitutionalist.  He states they are the traditional/original republicans.  Its extremely clear that he is not a Bush republican.  I don't know how you can maintain they are similar.

I'm not sure what you mean by constitutionalist. If you mean "originalist" .... that's not a recommendation in my book.  Originalists appear to think that what worked in the eighteenth century should work for a country of 300 million with a $14 trillion GDP.  Originalists also think that a constitution is a code, which it is not. 

As the greatest supreme court justice john marshall said, let the judges not forget that it is a constitution they are expounding. He didn't say "applying" which is quite significant. It's not some rigid document that is stuck in the eighteenth century. 

Why are Bush and Ron Paul similar?  Well, they both like talking about complex things as if they're simple.  Granted, we could use more simplicity in some areas, but in a world as big as ours, that's not always going to be possible.  Both of them appear to be equally naive about that, albeit in different ways.

Running on an independent ticket does not work in this country.  I hate the 2 party system, but unless there is a major change, candidates need to ally with one party or the other.  We must concern ourselves with the message itself.  Ron, himself, is not some great poised political icon...its the message thats important, the message of balance and common sense.

Well, since the REpublican party isn't working for him, he might as well be an independent.  it's not like he would have had any less of a chance at the presidential nomination.  And he does want to be a political icon.  Why else does one run for president? 

[MB]

Why are Bush and Ron Paul similar?  Well, they both like talking about complex things as if they're simple.  Granted, we could use more simplicity in some areas, but in a world as big as ours, that's not always going to be possible.  Both of them appear to be equally naive about that, albeit in different ways.

RP isn't saying that fixing the economy will be simple.  Common sense will tell you that what he proposes (no US military presence abroad, heavily decreased government) will save money, no matter if it's 1808 or 2008.  Complex problems are best tackled by going back to basics.  Bush doesn't have a clue.