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"Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« on: March 25, 2008, 07:05:22 AM »
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledg-ment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
 Qur'an, Sura 9:29

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so much for the religion of peace       :o   :o   :o   :o

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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2008, 07:10:46 AM »
do you have a solution, Eldon, or are you just here to piss and moan about it?


LMAO... liberal whiners... they have all the problems in the world but not a single solution! HA!

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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2008, 07:20:57 AM »
U know this guy isn't a Lib...whats ur solution. We could give more aid to the nations actively combating islamic extremists...but in may cases sited on his two threads...we're already there with either troops, monetary support, or both.
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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2008, 07:32:00 AM »
U know this guy isn't a Lib...whats ur solution. We could give more aid to the nations actively combating islamic extremists...but in may cases sited on his two threads...we're already there with either troops, monetary support, or both.

Republicans solve problems.  Liberals cry about them. 

He's sure acting like a lib.  Starting dozens of threads per week about "how upset he is" at these groups.

Admittedly, he's helpless to change the situation - you can't do much about a billion folks you hate.  So instead of accepting the reality of the situation, he's pissing and moaning on a message board about - gasp - how much he doesn't like that.

Fucking whiner.  Libs whine.  Repubs fix things.

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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2008, 07:44:43 AM »
U know this guy isn't a Lib...whats ur solution. We could give more aid to the nations actively combating islamic extremists...but in may cases sited on his two threads...we're already there with either troops, monetary support, or both.
remove the CIA and live and let live :)

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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2008, 12:19:32 PM »
Republicans solve problems.  Liberals cry about them. 

He's sure acting like a lib.  Starting dozens of threads per week about "how upset he is" at these groups.

Admittedly, he's helpless to change the situation - you can't do much about a billion folks you hate.  So instead of accepting the reality of the situation, he's pissing and moaning on a message board about - gasp - how much he doesn't like that.

Fucking whiner.  Libs whine.  Repubs fix things.

More idiotic drivel, surprised I am not.

Do you remember your 911 period. Why was this behaviour acceptable if you did it, but it's unacceptable for anybody else?

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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2008, 05:19:12 PM »
FUCK YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2008, 05:23:08 PM »
FUCK YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Do you believe Sharia = a good idea, dear Haidor? What about Quran statement Eldon posted? Are you willing to fight for a world based on total Islamic rule where everyone = under Islamic control, if the opportunity presented itself?

If so, how would this, based upon rational criteria, make this world a better place to live for everybody? (which of course should be the one and only goal of any civilized society)  ::)


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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2008, 05:41:52 PM »

Do you believe Sharia = a good idea, dear Haidor? What about Quran statement Eldon posted? Are you willing to fight for a world based on total Islamic rule where everyone = under Islamic control, if the opportunity presented itself?

If so, how would this, based upon rational criteria, make this world a better place to live for everybody? (which of course should be the one and only goal of any civilized society)  ::)


you really think I'm qualified to answer such a question? ;D

I'm flattered.

I'll look up the verses this douche is talking about.
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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2008, 05:45:47 PM »
you really think I'm qualified to answer such a question? ;D

I'm flattered.

I'll look up the verses this douche is talking about.

In reality, Debussey was trying to piss you off. It did not work ;D

What = funny, is that if you were to interpret the Quran by teh letter (which a muslim "should do"), then you have a problem: The Quran contains like 3000 contradictions or something. How the fuck do you interpret something by the letter when it gives you 2 or more different answers? :P

When it all comes to it all: We're all gonna die, it can happen at any time, this earth is probably gonna get squished, and we really don't know fuck about life or the universe or anything.
Make life a blast while it last, and have as much fun as possible, your way.

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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2008, 05:53:19 PM »
In reality, Debussey was trying to piss you off. It did not work ;D

What = funny, is that if you were to interpret the Quran by teh letter (which a muslim "should do"), then you have a problem: The Quran contains like 3000 contradictions or something. How the fuck do you interpret something by the letter when it gives you 2 or more different answers? :P

When it all comes to it all: We're all gonna die, it can happen at any time, this earth is probably gonna get squished, and we really don't know fuck about life or the universe or anything.
Make life a blast while it last, and have as much fun as possible, your way.

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The Qur'an cannot be interpreted completely literally, if you are to do it correctly. Al Ghazali comments that the Qur'an has 7 layers of meaning, which can be interpreted only by the knowledgeable people (the deepest of which by spiritual people, i.e. Sufis). So I'm going to guess that what appears to be contradictions on the surface = has deeper meanings.  :P

But even without such knowledge, the outsider (infidel = you) can admit that without context the meaning is lost... which is what is being done here. I don't care to defend the Qur'an to such people because they won't listen. I don't think you have the antagonistic prejudice that these people do, so I'll do the work to find out the meaning for you.  :)
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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2008, 05:57:00 PM »
The Qur'an cannot be interpreted completely literally, if you are to do it correctly. Al Ghazali comments that the Qur'an has 7 layers of meaning, which can be interpreted only by the knowledgeable people (the deepest of which by spiritual people, i.e. Sufis). So I'm going to guess that what appears to be contradictions on the surface = has deeper meanings.  :P

But even without such knowledge, the outsider (infidel = you) can admit that without context the meaning is lost... which is what is being done here. I don't care to defend the Qur'an to such people because they won't listen. I don't think you have the antagonistic prejudice that these people do, so I'll do the work to find out the meaning for you.  :)

Good stuff :) Looking forward to see how this quote = interpreted dear Haider.

Ps: That soda after the workout was wonderful, as was the BigMac later the same day. Gotta eat big to get big after training big!

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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2008, 06:23:48 PM »
Good stuff :) Looking forward to see how this quote = interpreted dear Haider.

Ps: That soda after the workout was wonderful, as was the BigMac later the same day. Gotta eat big to get big after training big!
lol, I've debunked this one before. I'm looking forward to refreshing my memory. You'll get an answer (via PM) when I have time (school work).
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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2008, 04:40:38 AM »
lol, I've debunked this one before. I'm looking forward to refreshing my memory. You'll get an answer (via PM) when I have time (school work).

Why don't you debunk it here so I can debunk you?

The Qur'an cannot be interpreted completely literally, if you are to do it correctly. Al Ghazali comments that the Qur'an has 7 layers of meaning, which can be interpreted only by the knowledgeable people (the deepest of which by spiritual people, i.e. Sufis). So I'm going to guess that what appears to be contradictions on the surface = has deeper meanings.  :P

But even without such knowledge, the outsider (infidel = you) can admit that without context the meaning is lost... which is what is being done here. I don't care to defend the Qur'an to such people because they won't listen. I don't think you have the antagonistic prejudice that these people do, so I'll do the work to find out the meaning for you.  :)

Here's the problem, you as a normal muslim cannot interpret the koran directly so you need it interpreting for you.

Fact is this is bullshit, anyone can interpret it any which way they like because I could find two Sufis with interpretations with contradict each other.

I know that it's impossible but could you please also debunk my statements of the koran condoning and promoting slavery?
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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2008, 07:14:47 AM »
Why don't you debunk it here so I can debunk you?

Here's the problem, you as a normal muslim cannot interpret the koran directly so you need it interpreting for you.

Fact is this is bullshit, anyone can interpret it any which way they like because I could find two Sufis with interpretations with contradict each other.

I know that it's impossible but could you please also debunk my statements of the koran condoning and promoting slavery?
Ask nicely hon   :-*
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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2008, 08:21:13 AM »
Ask nicely hon   :-*

Pretty please with pork grinds on top :-*
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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2008, 08:42:16 PM »
Ask nicely hon   :-*

Psychological hindrance. You are yet young and thus may still grow up.

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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2008, 12:03:30 PM »
More idiotic drivel, surprised I am not.
Do you remember your 911 period. Why was this behaviour acceptable if you did it, but it's unacceptable for anybody else?

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why do you talk like yoda?

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Re: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2008, 12:14:42 PM »
why do you talk like yoda?

He's a future relative that came back to warn of the islamic thread we face. I speak like him out of respect.
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