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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2008, 01:37:54 PM »
i have noticed that when i truly believe something is going to happen, it does happen.


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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2008, 02:21:00 PM »
i have noticed that when i truly believe something is going to happen, it does happen.



Yes.  :)

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2008, 02:22:24 PM »
mainly just with females.

but with other things too.


i think that has to do more with confidence being attractive though.

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2008, 02:31:02 PM »
WHY dont you post some real research. No quantum physicist would ever agree with you unless he was a moron.

Why don't you do the research?

The whole idea is to not believe anything unless proven through your own research. Don't believe what I say, please! Just do the research yourself so that you don't get lost in the vast ocean of misinformation. I can't explain quantum physics simply.No one in this thread has been able to provide any clear definition of it. Therefore it's the responsibility of the inquisitive individual to reach out beyond this thread and do some research himself. The docu I posted before is pretty good but I don't promise that it will answer all of your questions, as it didn't for me.
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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2008, 02:32:13 PM »
FYI, I've done years and years of study - Environmental Engineering and Molecular Biology specifically, but I was greatly interested in Physics in my earlier years and read up a whole lot of it, not to mention studied it as part of the Engineering course anyway. So I'm not one of those people who've done nothing more than seen a few you tube videos of 'experts' claiming that nothing is real because at the sub-atomic level, energy and matter seem to lose their distinct identities (and hence properties) and more or less become interchangeable or exhibit dual behavior (where one state contradicts the other).
And yet you still admire that batshit crazy biatch Ayn Rand and her pseudo-'science' of objectivism!?   :o   8)

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2008, 03:18:21 PM »
And yet you still admire that batshit crazy biatch Ayn Rand and her pseudo-'science' of objectivism!?   :o   8)

I won't say I admire Ayn Rand - it's closer to worship really :P

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2008, 04:35:10 PM »
I won't say I admire Ayn Rand - it's closer to worship really :P
Hmmm. Well, you are certainly a smart enough guy; this Rand thing is obviously just a foible.  ;)

Fark had a good thread on her/Atlas Shrugged the other day. Enjoy: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3488250

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2008, 04:53:07 PM »
yes

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2008, 06:06:42 PM »
AHAHAH someone deleted my post


ill comment on this thread later i have too much schoolwork to do.

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2008, 06:40:24 PM »
Do you think a giant penis could actually be running the entire show? Like the giant penis architect behind the universe?




Of course, in all seriousness, Gary Busey is behind everything.


im working on this now actually. the PUT or PENIS UNIFYING THEORY.

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2008, 06:42:16 PM »
We need Daddywaddy aka Mr Johnny Falcon to clear this up for us!

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2008, 07:41:33 PM »
Interesting things to think about regarding "reality"

- How much can I influence my own reality? Can my thoughts influence future events beyond their influence on my behaviour and actions? And can we really prove that thoughts on their own can not influence future events, or if they can?
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cause and effect. Each of our thoughts and actions cause ripple effects no matter how small. If we even just look at a person we will effect their reality in one way or another. But if we pee on some random person in the street he will have a story to tell for the rest of his life. Therefore, it is wise to evaluate the probabilities that make up a decision making trial. We must consider the probabilities logically while at the same time be conscious of our emotional states, decide based on desired emotional response and logical winning outcome, and throw a bit of intuition into the mix and we would be much better decision makers/realty constructors.


- Is the concept of "destiny" a human concept to find meaning? Or is it a real thing, planned out by a superior intelligence?
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This is interesting because although it may seem as if we create our own lives as we go along, the world stage seems to unfold as a grand play or a magnificent game. This is the hindu metaphysical axiom, where God puts on the show and lives as all of the things in existence, but for the fun of it, forgets he is God, and plays the many roles. Who knows?


- Should one only believe in what science can prove, since the "frame of reference" science operates in don't include the elements needed to give answers to the existensial questions we all ask ourselves? (at least not at this point). If so, does your choice optimize your happiness?
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Such a belief system is more like a prison for your own mind. You can't even prove who you are. All you can do is give your name, address and occupation. That's just a mask, but who puts it on?


- Can believing in a reality where you can influence events with your thoughts or where you just simulate everything yourself actually be beneficial, even if it might be completely false? Can stone hard rationality in certain areas of your mental life actually be a burden?
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Works for me so maybe that's part of my 'destiny'


- Can you derive a few "maxims" that guides you to living an optimal life, given that your whole "reality" is filled with so many unanswered questions and so much uncertainty? If so, what are these conclusions about life, and what do they give you in your life?
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Is there anything people can agree on? How about this?
10 Rules for being a human being
1.    You will receive a body. You may like it or hate it, but it's yours to keep for the entire period.
2.    You will learn lessons. You are enrolled in a full-time informal school called, "life."
3.    There are no mistakes, only lessons. Growth is a process of trial, error, and experimentation. The "failed" experiments are as much a part of the process as the experiments that ultimately "work."
4.    Lessons are repeated until they are learned. A lesson will be presented to you in various forms until you have learned it. When you have learned it, you can go on to the next lesson.
5.    Learning lessons does not end. There's no part of life that doesn't contain its lessons. If you're alive, that means there are still lessons to be learned.
6.    "There" is no better a place than "here." When your "there" has become a "here", you will simply obtain another "there" that will again look better than "here."
7.    Other people are merely mirrors of you. You cannot love or hate something about another person unless it reflects to you something you love or hate about yourself.
8.    What you make of your life is up to you. You have all the tools and resources you need. What you do with them is up to you. The choice is yours.
9.    Your answers lie within you. The answers to life's questions lie within you. All you need to do is look, listen, and trust.
10.    You will forget all this.


Please answer these questions, or go fuck a hooker and have some blow.
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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2008, 07:58:22 PM »
there is no destiny, the YOU is your brain. knock out the brain and there you go, give certain drugs and change the YOU.

simple as that.

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2008, 07:59:47 PM »
Is reality an illusion?



Someone has watched "The Matrix" one too many times.  ::)
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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2008, 08:13:19 PM »
there is no destiny, the YOU is your brain. knock out the brain and there you go, give certain drugs and change the YOU.

simple as that.

How is a piece of matter conscious? How would I go about introducing myself as my brain? And what about the outer body phenomena? Where does creativity originate?
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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2008, 04:46:21 AM »
Defenition of Illusion: "something that deceives by producing a false or misleading impression of reality". "Psychology. a perception, as of visual stimuli (optical illusion), that represents what is perceived in a way different from the way it is in reality"

We can not disprove that the reality we percieve as the world we live in, is indeed a big fucking simulation kinda like in the Matrix. The whole "objective world" gouverned by laws and all that shit might simply not be what we percieve. In a dream, we see and feel a constructed physical reality. Its usually seen and felt with some inconsistency (If you're into lucid dreaming, try looking at your watch in your dream twice and see if the time matches ;D ), but it is still from what we know a "reality" simulated by our brains that feels real there and there.

Thus, it is possible that reality is an illusion.

End note: The question is pretty hard to answer :P

This statement does not prove a thing. Reality can still be an illusion (see Debusseys earlier post), yet an illusion constructed upon rules which have consequences. Not to say that it IS an illusion, there is no way to REALLY know, but this exact quote does not prove a thing.


Your dream is not a reality and it's most certainly not physical. An object in a dream isn't real / palpable like the solid version of the same object that's sitting in front of you in reality (like a watch, to go by your own example). Going by what you say, a thought in your head be it in the form of a dream or a fantasy is the same as actually undergoing the equivalent physical experience. Are you saying your fantasizing about, say for instance, sleeping with a person is as real as the actual physical experience of the same?

You say we cannot disprove that 'the reality we percieve as the world we live in, is indeed a big fucking simulation kinda like in the Matrix'. But that is a meaningless argument. I cannot disprove that everything that has happened in my life is actually being controlled by a monkey that's going about it's business in some African jungle or something absurd like that. That doesn't mean I can therefore treat said absurd hypothesis with the same degree of seriousness or think it has as much validity as the fact that my own actions are responsible for what happens in my life (taking into account other factors such as environmental influence, the pre-existing conditions, context and so on). Because such possibilities are endless and basing an argument on such a premise would make arguing pointless or proving a point impossible.

There are absolute laws in reality that are universal - the fact that 2 objects attract each other with a force that is directly proportional to (the product of) their mass and indirectly proportional to the (square of the) distance between them i.e. the law of gravitational attraction is equally valid for all matter in any corner of the Universe, just like the fact that the sum of the squares of the 2 smaller sides of a right angled triangle is equal to the square of the hypotenuse, just like the fact that a human body needs food, water and air and optimal conditions to stay alive and so on.


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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2008, 05:22:55 AM »
yes especially in contemporary bodybuilding.  all drugs(illusion)

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2008, 06:00:11 AM »
figgs - your number 6 rule could liberate every mind on the planet if they truly 'got it'.
powerful...

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2008, 10:08:09 AM »
Why don't you do the research?

The whole idea is to not believe anything unless proven through your own research. Don't believe what I say, please! Just do the research yourself so that you don't get lost in the vast ocean of misinformation. I can't explain quantum physics simply.No one in this thread has been able to provide any clear definition of it. Therefore it's the responsibility of the inquisitive individual to reach out beyond this thread and do some research himself. The docu I posted before is pretty good but I don't promise that it will answer all of your questions, as it didn't for me.

dude i have read much quantum physics by real physicists and there is no misinformation besides personal theories extrapolated from research and wild conclusions like your own. You sound like Goswami.

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2008, 10:10:33 AM »
How is a piece of matter conscious? How would I go about introducing myself as my brain? And what about the outer body phenomena? Where does creativity originate?

1.as the system becomes more complex emergent phenomenon are inevitable.

2.your second question makes no sense and is not worth a reply.

3.possibly DMT induced as it is an endogenous psychedelic. It is simply a perceptual shift, similar to REM paralysis.

4.Define creativity?

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2008, 05:38:33 PM »
None of us has any clue just what the hell we are all living in but for sure we can alter our own reality as to how we see it...We all have our own version of a reality tunnel...And there are powers in place on earth who are pulling the strings to alter our reality tunnel which benefits them...We must pull back...Get in this game of tug a war or you will be cast aside...

Just look at what is winning pro bodybuilding shows these days...Guys like Jay Cutler are weird looking freaks who are being force fed down our throats as to what is a winning type of physique...So people's reality changes and starts to believe that its true....Is it though?

A smelly kid in my gym from India basically makes just about everyone puke by his body stench but my guess is when he goes home to his parents or wife or what ever, he smells to them like a bed of fucking roses...What is the true reality as to how this kid smells? Answer is there isn't one..But the more people you get into thinking that he smells like a bucket of shit, the perception will be that the guy reeks and needs to be hosed off...But does he?..

Marlyn Monroe was seen as a beauty like no other...But today she would be seen like a bucket of shit if you stripped the clothes off to some. what is the truth?    iMOP there is no truth's...What if 2+2 doesn't not equal 4? Then what? Is red really red or blue really blue? Look at your finger Thur a microscope and tell me that your looking something solid...

We are all tuned into a certain frequency that seeswhat we see...Can we change the frequency? I think so...If i want to wake up one day and see things as funny, i could make my mind laugh all fucking day at everything and everything...Even if someone was torchering you, you have the ability to see it as funny if you really wanted to...

Dance down the road like i do and see how people look at you...Most think that I'm a fool for doing so but guess what. I have quite a few people following me...Most think its weird but what if everyone started doing it...And that became there new reality...The weirdness would be from the people won't don't dance as much as i do...

I have littrly danced for 4 days straight down every street in my home town...I've made alot of people smile by doing this...

I suggest that anyone who reads this, take a day off of work one sunny day and just get to the streets and dance...Drugs or no drugs, it does not matter...The real truths are not found inside churches with grown men draped in Velvet but are found on this living organism we call earth...And when you dance, the earth feels your energy and smiles....

Tviking

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2008, 05:49:54 PM »
None of us has any clue just what the hell we are all living in but for sure we can alter our own reality as to how we see it...We all have our own version of a reality tunnel...And there are powers in place on earth who are pulling the strings to alter our reality tunnel which benefits them...We must pull back...Get in this game of tug a war or you will be cast aside...

Just look at what is winning pro bodybuilding shows these days...Guys like Jay Cutler are weird looking freaks who are being force fed down our throats as to what is a winning type of physique...So people's reality changes and starts to believe that its true....Is it though?

A smelly kid in my gym from India basically makes just about everyone puke by his body stench but my guess is when he goes home to his parents or wife or what ever, he smells to them like a bed of fucking roses...What is the true reality as to how this kid smells? Answer is there isn't one..But the more people you get into thinking that he smells like a bucket of shit, the perception will be that the guy reeks and needs to be hosed off...But does he?..

Marlyn Monroe was seen as a beauty like no other...But today she would be seen like a bucket of shit if you stripped the clothes off to some. what is the truth?    iMOP there is no truth's...What if 2+2 doesn't not equal 4? Then what? Is red really red or blue really blue? Look at your finger Thur a microscope and tell me that your looking something solid...

We are all tuned into a certain frequency that seeswhat we see...Can we change the frequency? I think so...If i want to wake up one day and see things as funny, i could make my mind laugh all fucking day at everything and everything...Even if someone was torchering you, you have the ability to see it as funny if you really wanted to...

Dance down the road like i do and see how people look at you...Most think that I'm a fool for doing so but guess what. I have quite a few people following me...Most think its weird but what if everyone started doing it...And that became there new reality...The weirdness would be from the people won't don't dance as much as i do...

I have littrly danced for 4 days straight down every street in my home town...I've made alot of people smile by doing this...

I suggest that anyone who reads this, take a day off of work one sunny day and just get to the streets and dance...Drugs or no drugs, it does not matter...The real truths are not found inside churches with grown men draped in Velvet but are found on this living organism we call earth...And when you dance, the earth feels your energy and smiles....

Tviking

excellent post bro! you're right, reality is based on one's perceptions, but i believe there are some things are are black and white and not grey. for example 2+2 does equal 4 because if it didn't physics and mathematics couldn't exist

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2008, 05:52:05 PM »
If you don't mind spending a few minutes reading a somewhat confusing article, check this out and post your impressions/thoughts. This involves quantum mechanics so it would be nice if we could have some scientists, such as the True Adonis, offer their opinions!

http://www.integralscience.org/sacredscience/SS_quantum.html

Scientist...  ::)

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2008, 06:02:06 PM »
This is common knowledge.  :D



That's actually a really informative link. Thanks for sharing.


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thats cool but why should we listen to a bunch of guys with pompadours and mullets?

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Re: Is reality an illusion?
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2008, 06:18:27 PM »
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