How important is the US Constitution?

[War-Horse]

I can't believe I had to vote for that numb nuts.

I was listening to the Michael Savage show today. The shit he was taking about that happened under Bush's watch made my fvcking blood boil.

Man, I'm really worried about our country.

the first time i could see.  The second time.....unbelievable.   LOL

[w8tlftr]

the first time i could see.  The second time.....unbelievable.   LOL

First time AND second time, for me, was the lesser to two evils.

Bush is not a Reagan conservative and that really bothers me but Herman Munster John Kerry didn't do anything to make me want to vote for him and I really really dislike John Edwards.

This election will be no different. I have to choose which one I think will do the least amount of damage.

[War-Horse]

Probably have to go with Obama then....

[w8tlftr]

Probably have to go with Obama then....

Dude, I can't afford that guy. More taxes means less disposable income for me and my wife to invest in our retirement and my children's college funds. Besides, what frickin' genius raises taxes when our economy is in a down spiral? Hey, food and gas more expensive? Let's raise taxes!

Plus I fully expect race relations to go in the toilet. You think America has "entitlement" issues now? Oh boy, wait until he's elected.

[calmus]

Dude, I can't afford that guy. More taxes means less disposable income for me and my wife to invest in our retirement and my children's college funds. Besides, what frickin' genius raises taxes when our economy is in a down spiral? Hey, food and gas more expensive? Let's raise taxes!

Yeah, so let's keep borrowing money instead.... 

[Dos Equis]

Dude, I can't afford that guy. More taxes means less disposable income for me and my wife to invest in our retirement and my children's college funds. Besides, what frickin' genius raises taxes when our economy is in a down spiral? Hey, food and gas more expensive? Let's raise taxes!

Plus I fully expect race relations to go in the toilet. You think America has "entitlement" issues now? Oh boy, wait until he's elected.

True.  It's worse than just raising taxes, it's bringing back class warfare, pitting "the rich" and "the corporations" against "the middle class."

None of us can afford this guy, particularly if he has a Democrat House and Senate.   

[calmus]

True.  It's worse than just raising taxes, it's bringing back class warfare, pitting "the rich" and "the corporations" against "the middle class."

None of us can afford this guy, particularly if he has a Democrat House and Senate.   

Hahaha, grandpa psych major whiling his life away in honolulu knows more about who can afford this guy than the fools working at Goldman Sachs, NY.   

[24KT]

USA is still the best place in the world to live.

I agree! (not counting Canada, Switzerland, or France of course)

"The US is still the best nation in the country" - Spiro Agnew   

[w8tlftr]

I agree! (not counting Canada, Switzerland, or France of course)

"The US is still the best nation in the country" - Spiro Agnew   

With the exception of, I'm sure, better food and beer don't all the countries you listed have higher taxes and a higher unemployment rate?

AND no NFL football? 

[OzmO]

With the exception of, I'm sure, better food and beer don't all the countries you listed have higher taxes and a higher unemployment rate?

AND no NFL football? 

The whole football thing probably outweighs all the other stuff.   

[24KT]

With the exception of, I'm sure, better food and beer don't all the countries you listed have higher taxes and a higher unemployment rate?

AND no NFL football? 

They also have universal healthcare, less crime, ...and women can show their boobies in public without getting arrested.

[24KT]

The whole football thing probably outweighs all the other stuff.   

   You would take football over beer & boobies?     

[OzmO]

  You would take football over beer & boobies?     

boobies were never mentioned......

[Hedgehog]

I take it very serious.  These days you have Harvard professors saying it needs to be scraped for the times...   Bullshit, why would they want to scrap it when they have guys like John Yoo fully willing to mangle the fuck out of it...

Why should we take something that was written 200+ years ago serious?

I agree that a Constitution is a very serious thing.

But this is two separate issues that often get mixed up:

One is the issue of whether a constitution should be respected - I say: Definitely.

The other one, is whether an ancient document, written during a time when slavery existed, democracy wasn't developed, et al, should be treated as some kind of supreme document - I say: No. Fcuking. Way.


There is no logical reason to as why the "founding fathers" would've had a better grasp of what democracy is than our current society.

We as a civilization develops. With it, our democracy should follow.

[Hedgehog]

"The US is still the best nation in the country" - Spiro Agnew

You mean the former US vice-president

Spiros Anagnostopoulos?

[24KT]

You mean the former US vice-president

Spiros Anagnostopoulos?

Could have been his original name.
For some reason, Americans feel the need to change their surnames in order to avoid umm... complications. 

[24KT]

Dude, I can't afford that guy. More taxes means less disposable income for me and my wife to invest in our retirement and my children's college funds. Besides, what frickin' genius raises taxes when our economy is in a down spiral? Hey, food and gas more expensive? Let's raise taxes!

Plus I fully expect race relations to go in the toilet. You think America has "entitlement" issues now? Oh boy, wait until he's elected.

w8tlftr, ...unless you're rich, and I mean very rich, you're not going to be looking at increased taxes.
What will happen is that money being spent now will be re-directed into other areas, and the tax cuts to the wealthy, and corporate welfare will end. Obamas focus will be helping Main Street in a way that's good for both Main Street & Wall Street.

[24KT]

True.  It's worse than just raising taxes, it's bringing back class warfare, pitting "the rich" and "the corporations" against "the middle class."

None of us can afford this guy, particularly if he has a Democrat House and Senate.   

The class warfare has been going on for the past 8 years and the middle class has been suffering heavy casualties.
What Obama, and Wall Street are realizing is that when the middle class suffers, EVERYONE suffers.
In most Western democracy, it's the middle class that keeps it all going. hurt them, and it's like shooting yourself in the foot.

[War-Horse]

The class warfare has been going on for the past 8 years and the middle class has been suffering heavy casualties.
What Obama, and Wall Street are realizing is that when the middle class suffers, EVERYONE suffers.
In most Western democracy, it's the middle class that keeps it all going. hurt them, and it's like shooting yourself in the foot.

Good post, Jag.   I dont understand the cry of tax increases when its really tax direction......focus back on our economy not others for the most part.    These obama plans can be done for the most part by cutting funding to non wanted projects and re directing to immigration, healthcare, job development.

[24KT]

Good post, Jag.   I dont understand the cry of tax increases when its really tax direction......focus back on our economy not others for the most part.    These obama plans can be done for the most part by cutting funding to non wanted projects and re directing to immigration, healthcare, job development.

I think Obamas immigration plans might hurt him in certain segments of the hispanic community, because he will require that immigrants come with skills. He might close the door on the droves of unskilled migratory labour the Republicans want in the USA so badly.

[Deicide]

Some people advocate applying the "spirit of the founding documents," rather than the literal meaning of the words in the documents.
Others advocate that we adhere to the "letter of the supreme law" and interpret the documents in strict accord with the written words.

How seriously do people take the US Constitution these days?

It's important AND should be ammended. Get rid of the three branches and replace it with a parlament.

[Deicide]

First time AND second time, for me, was the lesser to two evils.

Bush is not a Reagan conservative and that really bothers me but Herman Munster John Kerry didn't do anything to make me want to vote for him and I really really dislike John Edwards.

This election will be no different. I have to choose which one I think will do the least amount of damage.

Reagan never was a conservative; he spent up to the wazoo....and he wasn't a particularly good president. History, circumstances and chance allowed for him to have glory.

[Hugo Chavez]

Thats why I asked the question. With guys like George Bush, Yoo, Cheney, etc... blantantly ignoring/modifying the meaning of the Constitution and the people really doing dick all about it, I wondered how seriously people take the documents. I think people just give it lip service for the most part and take it for granted.

because ordinary people don't see the ultimate effects right away, so they're like, "tell me what you've lost, huh, huh tell me how things are changed"  They have no vision.  They lack the capacity to grasp the gradual shift and ask, "now that we've done this, what is next?"  They went to work the same as they did the day before, came home, ate, watched a movie, went to bed and got up like nothing is wrong.

[Hugo Chavez]

Why should we take something that was written 200+ years ago serious?

I agree that a Constitution is a very serious thing.

But this is two separate issues that often get mixed up:

One is the issue of whether a constitution should be respected - I say: Definitely.

The other one, is whether an ancient document, written during a time when slavery existed, democracy wasn't developed, et al, should be treated as some kind of supreme document - I say: No. Fcuking. Way.


There is no logical reason to as why the "founding fathers" would've had a better grasp of what democracy is than our current society.

We as a civilization develops. With it, our democracy should follow.

Oh boy, we have to talk...

[calmus]

Oh boy, we have to talk...

No you don't. He's Swedish, who gives a shit?