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McCain may have more party cross-over support
« on: March 27, 2008, 09:47:53 AM »
GOP Looks to 'McCain Democrats'
By: David Paul Kuhn
March 27, 2008 11:48
politico.com

A new analysis of March polling data suggests that John McCain's cross-party support surpasses that of either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.

According to data provided by the Gallup Organization at Politico’s request, in a hypothetical contest between McCain and Obama, McCain wins 17 percent of Democrats and those leaning Democratic, while Obama wins 10 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaners.

In a potential contest with Clinton, McCain wins 14 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaners while Clinton wins 8 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaners.

By way of comparison, exit polls in 2004 reported that George W. Bush won 11 percent of Democrats and John F. Kerry won 6 percent of Republicans.

The new analysis, calculated from a compilation of the Gallup Organization’s daily polls between March 7 and 22, seems to indicate that there are more “McCain Democrats” than the much-ballyhooed “Obama Republicans” — or “Obamacans,” as they are sometimes referred to.

The polls were aggregated at Politico’s request as part of an effort to assess the cross-party appeal of each candidate. The compilation created a larger sample size, allowing pollsters to more accurately decipher voting patterns by party affiliation.

McCain’s potential to win more crossover votes than either of the Democrats, a finding that also surfaces in surveys conducted by Fox News/Opinion Dynamics and in private GOP polls, could upend the political calculus for the November general election.

Equally important, Gallup finds that McCain wins independents against either Democrat—48 to 23 percent against Clinton, and 40 to 31 percent against Obama.

In 2004, exit polls showed independents cast 26 percent of the vote, splitting their support evenly between Bush and Kerry.

Both the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign are depending upon McCain’s potential appeal to Democrats and independents to compensate for the depleted Republican ranks.

“Democrats currently have a lead in voter identification; it’s axiomatic that you have to look beyond your party’s base to get to 50 percent,” said Frank Donatelli, the deputy chairman of the RNC.

Late February polling by the RNC, passed along to top officials in the McCain campaign, also found that more Democrats said they would vote for McCain than Republicans said they would vote for Obama, according to an RNC operative and a senior adviser to the McCain campaign.

“There will be something in the range of a quarter of Democrats available or accessible to him when the this Democratic contest is over but that doesn’t mean we won’t have to work for them,” said a senior McCain adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

That estimate may prove optimistic, though not wildly.

A Fox News poll released last week also found that McCain wins 18 percent of Democrats while Obama wins 11 percent of Republicans. McCain maintains his advantage among independents in the Fox poll as well.

Clinton, according to the Gallup findings, hemorrhages slightly less Democrats than Obama. But Obama more than compensates for Clinton’s strength among Democrats with his greater capacity to narrow McCain’s advantage among independents. Private polling conducted by Republican strategist Tony Fabrizio reflects the same trend.

“There’s going to be McCain Democrats,” Fabrizio said, adding that it was only a question of whether they will be a small sliver of the political left or a movement toward McCain.

If Obama is the Democratic nominee, the McCain adviser said the campaign will target male and female blue collar white Democrats, a group viewed by Republicans as Obama’s soft spot.

“They already sense that he may be too liberal,” the adviser added. “They tend to also agree with McCain on the war and on social issues and we’ll have to satisfy them that McCain agrees with them on the economy.”

McCain’s appeal to Democrats has some Republican strategists envisioning a Ronald Reagan-like road map for the 2008 race. Today, most of the so-called Reagan Democrats have become independents.

“One similarity between 1980 and 2008 is you have a very tough Democratic primary,” said the RNC’s Donatelli, who served as the political director in the Reagan White House. “After that ended, there were a lot of bruised feelings and Democrats who would not vote for the winner.”

Gallup published results Wednesday that showed evidence supporting a similar scenario for 2008. Twenty-eight percent of Clinton’s supporters say they would vote for McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee. The data, aggregating the same period of March polling, also showed 19 percent of Obama’s supporters pledging to back McCain if Clinton wins the nomination.

“The bulk of the Democrats you would try to appeal to are not Harvard-educated lawyers who are feminists. They’re working class Democrats that you have more of a shot at getting. And the core of that appeal is social conservatism, right to life, Second Amendment, and obviously national security,” Donatelli said.

Comparing Reagan to McCain, Donatelli said “both of them were and are viewed as mavericks, and a lot of that is character, and a lot of that is the persona of the individual. And it’s issue based too, because you’ve challenged the orthodoxy on occasion.”

Democrats say they must undercut McCain’s maverick image in order to shore up their flank.

“People tend to confuse maverick with moderate,” said Steve Rosenthal, a Democratic leader in mobilizing voters. Rosenthal said Democrats must position McCain as a conservative and introduce them to the “real John McCain” on issues ranging from abortion to the war in Iraq to the environment.

“If Republicans are successful in defining John McCain as a moderate who can work across party lines and is a straight talker, then we will be in a real battle to win Democrats in some of these swing states,” he continued.

“Against McCain,” Rosenthal said, “it’s clear this is going to be an extremely close race. Anybody who thought that Democrats were going to waltz to the White House in 2008 is crazy.”

© 2007 Capitol News Company, LLC

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Re: McCain may have more party cross-over support
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2008, 09:52:01 AM »
I understand the "McCain Democrats", since he has always been an independant and moderate, but I can't figure out the "Obama Republicans".  From a policy perspective, Obama is very liberal (certainly moreso than Hillary), not really a centrist at all.  Is it just that people haven't figured that out yet?
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Re: McCain may have more party cross-over support
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2008, 09:56:13 AM »
mccain better win some dems.

cause a lot of far-right conservatives aren't going o bother voting.

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Re: McCain may have more party cross-over support
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2008, 09:58:07 AM »
I understand the "McCain Democrats", since he has always been an independant and moderate, but I can't figure out the "Obama Republicans".  From a policy perspective, Obama is very liberal (certainly moreso than Hillary), not really a centrist at all.  Is it just that people haven't figured that out yet?

many constitutional repubs don't like nation-building, elective wars, etc.

they might see a candidate singing "bomb bomb iran" as a sign this candidate will in fact, bomb iran.

They might choose a dem who promises to end 1 war and not start another.

Bombing iran would mean a 3rd elective war* and 3rd nationbuilding effort when the first two aren't going well.





*Afghanistan offerred to turn over all Osama and Al-Q leadership to the USA alive or in pine boxes, and we declined, preferring a 6-year war effort where Osama slipped away.  Go figure!

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Re: McCain may have more party cross-over support
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2008, 10:14:32 AM »
I don't understand Obama republicans either...he is very liberal in ideas.

McCain has been on both sides of the isle.  He may lose far rightwingers but he will gain significantly more independents.  I think the Obama issue with Rev Wright has affected independent voters (but not his base).

I think McCain has backed off some of his tough talk on Iran.  Iran is a true threat but I think McCain is too smart and militarily experienced to stretch the military any farther.  His speech the other day (yesterday I think) was actually quite good.

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Re: McCain may have more party cross-over support
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2008, 10:16:31 AM »
many constitutional repubs don't like nation-building, elective wars, etc.


So they'll pick someone who will add shitloads of new entitlement programs when we already can't afford to pay for the ones we already have, effectively marking our once great economy for the scrap-heap of history?


Bill Clinton said it best:  "it's the economy, stupid!"







Oh, and before anyone goes on about the "cost of the Iraq war", a few things need to be considered:  Military spending is discretionary to an extent, and at some point in the future our commitment in Iraq or military spending in general can and will be scaled down.  Entitlement programs on the other hand are forever... it is politically impossible to eliminate them once entrenched and they take on a life of their own with ever-growing costs. 

Also, the "iraq cost" numbers are inflated by the liberal media.  Before we went into Iraq, many of those units were based in Germany at high costs.  What do you thing it has cost us to maintain large bases around the world since the end of WWII? We still have most of those bases, which have nothing to do with "Iraq".  An honest number would factor out the "costs" we would bear anyway, and only consider the incremental costs of Iraqi operations (as opposed to those units being based in Germany, Korea, Japan, Italy, or even stateside).  It ends up being a much smaller number than what gets reported.
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Re: McCain may have more party cross-over support
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2008, 11:10:12 AM »
GOP Looks to 'McCain Democrats'
By: David Paul Kuhn
March 27, 2008 11:48
politico.com

A new analysis of March polling data suggests that John McCain's cross-party support surpasses that of either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.

According to data provided by the Gallup Organization at Politico’s request, in a hypothetical contest between McCain and Obama, McCain wins 17 percent of Democrats and those leaning Democratic, while Obama wins 10 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaners.

In a potential contest with Clinton, McCain wins 14 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaners while Clinton wins 8 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaners.

By way of comparison, exit polls in 2004 reported that George W. Bush won 11 percent of Democrats and John F. Kerry won 6 percent of Republicans.

The new analysis, calculated from a compilation of the Gallup Organization’s daily polls between March 7 and 22, seems to indicate that there are more “McCain Democrats” than the much-ballyhooed “Obama Republicans” — or “Obamacans,” as they are sometimes referred to.

The polls were aggregated at Politico’s request as part of an effort to assess the cross-party appeal of each candidate. The compilation created a larger sample size, allowing pollsters to more accurately decipher voting patterns by party affiliation.

McCain’s potential to win more crossover votes than either of the Democrats, a finding that also surfaces in surveys conducted by Fox News/Opinion Dynamics and in private GOP polls, could upend the political calculus for the November general election.

Equally important, Gallup finds that McCain wins independents against either Democrat—48 to 23 percent against Clinton, and 40 to 31 percent against Obama.

In 2004, exit polls showed independents cast 26 percent of the vote, splitting their support evenly between Bush and Kerry.

Both the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign are depending upon McCain’s potential appeal to Democrats and independents to compensate for the depleted Republican ranks.

“Democrats currently have a lead in voter identification; it’s axiomatic that you have to look beyond your party’s base to get to 50 percent,” said Frank Donatelli, the deputy chairman of the RNC.

Late February polling by the RNC, passed along to top officials in the McCain campaign, also found that more Democrats said they would vote for McCain than Republicans said they would vote for Obama, according to an RNC operative and a senior adviser to the McCain campaign.

“There will be something in the range of a quarter of Democrats available or accessible to him when the this Democratic contest is over but that doesn’t mean we won’t have to work for them,” said a senior McCain adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

That estimate may prove optimistic, though not wildly.

A Fox News poll released last week also found that McCain wins 18 percent of Democrats while Obama wins 11 percent of Republicans. McCain maintains his advantage among independents in the Fox poll as well.

Clinton, according to the Gallup findings, hemorrhages slightly less Democrats than Obama. But Obama more than compensates for Clinton’s strength among Democrats with his greater capacity to narrow McCain’s advantage among independents. Private polling conducted by Republican strategist Tony Fabrizio reflects the same trend.

“There’s going to be McCain Democrats,” Fabrizio said, adding that it was only a question of whether they will be a small sliver of the political left or a movement toward McCain.

If Obama is the Democratic nominee, the McCain adviser said the campaign will target male and female blue collar white Democrats, a group viewed by Republicans as Obama’s soft spot.

“They already sense that he may be too liberal,” the adviser added. “They tend to also agree with McCain on the war and on social issues and we’ll have to satisfy them that McCain agrees with them on the economy.”

McCain’s appeal to Democrats has some Republican strategists envisioning a Ronald Reagan-like road map for the 2008 race. Today, most of the so-called Reagan Democrats have become independents.

“One similarity between 1980 and 2008 is you have a very tough Democratic primary,” said the RNC’s Donatelli, who served as the political director in the Reagan White House. “After that ended, there were a lot of bruised feelings and Democrats who would not vote for the winner.”

Gallup published results Wednesday that showed evidence supporting a similar scenario for 2008. Twenty-eight percent of Clinton’s supporters say they would vote for McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee. The data, aggregating the same period of March polling, also showed 19 percent of Obama’s supporters pledging to back McCain if Clinton wins the nomination.

“The bulk of the Democrats you would try to appeal to are not Harvard-educated lawyers who are feminists. They’re working class Democrats that you have more of a shot at getting. And the core of that appeal is social conservatism, right to life, Second Amendment, and obviously national security,” Donatelli said.

Comparing Reagan to McCain, Donatelli said “both of them were and are viewed as mavericks, and a lot of that is character, and a lot of that is the persona of the individual. And it’s issue based too, because you’ve challenged the orthodoxy on occasion.”

Democrats say they must undercut McCain’s maverick image in order to shore up their flank.

“People tend to confuse maverick with moderate,” said Steve Rosenthal, a Democratic leader in mobilizing voters. Rosenthal said Democrats must position McCain as a conservative and introduce them to the “real John McCain” on issues ranging from abortion to the war in Iraq to the environment.

“If Republicans are successful in defining John McCain as a moderate who can work across party lines and is a straight talker, then we will be in a real battle to win Democrats in some of these swing states,” he continued.

“Against McCain,” Rosenthal said, “it’s clear this is going to be an extremely close race. Anybody who thought that Democrats were going to waltz to the White House in 2008 is crazy.”

© 2007 Capitol News Company, LLC

The more I read stuff like this the more convinced I become McCain will win this thing (absent some scandal between now and November).  Can't imagine there will be a lot of Republicans voting for Obama.  As shootfighter noted, Obama is just too liberal to attract a sizeable number of Republican/conservative voters. 

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Re: McCain may have more party cross-over support
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2008, 11:17:14 AM »
Can't imagine there will be a lot of Republicans voting for Obama.  

Who should the anti-war Republicans vote for?

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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2008, 11:26:06 AM »
Who should the anti-war Republicans vote for?


In order to vote for Obama, they would have to decide that the "war" is so important to them they are willing to vote for someone holding policies they are against on almost every other issue.  There may be a few like that, but on balance people cast their votes on issues that effect them directly.  While the "war" makes great debate fodder, for most Americans it's something that does not touch them personally.
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2008, 11:27:13 AM »
Who should the anti-war Republicans vote for?

You're not an anti-war Republican. 

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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2008, 11:28:14 AM »

In order to vote for Obama, they would have to decide that the "war" is so important to them they are willing to vote for someone holding policies they are against on almost every other issue.  There may be a few like that, but on balance people cast their votes on issues that effect them directly.  While the "war" makes great debate fodder, for most Americans it's something that does not touch them personally.

Correct.  It would take an awful lot of single issue voters to make a difference.   

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Re: McCain may have more party cross-over support
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2008, 11:28:50 AM »
You're not an anti-war Republican. 

I never said I was.  I'm a pro-war republican.  I'm okay with the wars if that's what the ldeaders determine is necessary to maintain our standard of life.