difference in effectiveness of insulin from person to person

[candidizzle]

so i have no idea whether or not this is true...but gh15 said that your body is either going to "love it or hate it" (insulin, that is)..and that some guys will blow up off of it and some guys wont gain nearly as much.

im wondering what the difference between those two guys would be?   maybe its their insulin sensitivity? and if so..   if it was how sensitive you are toinsulin...well then i wonder whether it would be more beneficial to a guy who is already super sensitive to insulin, or to a guy who is ver insulin resistant?? 

it might seem obvious..   that the "insulin sensitive" guy would get the better gains....but i am thinking that maybe it would be the other way around..??   because, a guy that is already super sensitive to insulin is already reaping(to some degree) the anabolic benefits of insulin WITHOUT having to inject exengenous(sp?) insulin; while a guy who is insulin resistant might not be reaping any of the anabolic benfits of insulin untill he injects that outside source.. 

what do you guys think

[Vet]

uh? 


Sorry, but i'm confused by your question. 


Different people have differing degrees of insulin senstivity. Thats why insulin doses must be tailored for each individual diabetic.  Its based on how the individuals bodies respond to the insulin.  Not only that, but that sensitivity can change with exercise, if you are sick or not, stress, and a number of other factors. 

[candidizzle]

uh? 


Sorry, but i'm confused by your question. 


Different people have differing degrees of insulin senstivity. Thats why insulin doses must be tailored for each individual diabetic.  Its based on how the individuals bodies respond to the insulin.  Not only that, but that sensitivity can change with exercise, if you are sick or not, stress, and a number of other factors. 

sorry doc, but im not talking about medical usage of insulin..   

i am talking about the difference in effectiveness of insulin supplementation in regards to building muscle for bodybuilders..

[Vet]

sorry doc, but im not talking about medical usage of insulin..   

i am talking about the difference in effectiveness of insulin supplementation in regards to building muscle for bodybuilders..

   Yeah, so was I. 

[Luolamies]

Dave Palumbo once said that as a rule of thumb the "skinny" guys get more out of it (bodybuilding wise) than the chubby ones. So, the more sensitive you are the more you get out of it.

Ps. Insulin is THE MOST DANGEROUS hormone to be used by bodybuilders. Fuck up once and bye bye...

[kcballer]

  Yeah, so was I. 

hahaha candizzle owned

[candidizzle]

Dave Palumbo once said that as a rule of thumb the "skinny" guys get more out of it (bodybuilding wise) than the chubby ones. So, the more sensitive you are the more you get out of it.

Ps. Insulin is THE MOST DANGEROUS hormone to be used by bodybuilders. Fuck up once and bye bye...

thanks man.  i guess that does make sense..i was just thinking, maybe over thinking..

[candidizzle]

hahaha candizzle owned

obviously vet doesn't know shit about bodybuilding if he knew thats what i was talking about in his original reply....

[Vet]

obviously vet doesn't know shit about bodybuilding if he knew thats what i was talking about in his original reply....

Look stupid, read what I highlighted:

author=Vet link=topic=208265.msg2876542#msg2876542 date=1207075774]

Different people have differing degrees of insulin senstivity. Thats why insulin doses must be tailored for each individual diabetic.  Its based on how the individuals bodies respond to the insulin.  Not only that, but that sensitivity can change with exercise, if you are sick or not, stress, and a number of other factors. 

You can't make it any simpler than that, especially considering the fucked up rambling question you posted in the first place. 

[Arnold jr]

Dave Palumbo once said that as a rule of thumb the "skinny" guys get more out of it (bodybuilding wise) than the chubby ones. So, the more sensitive you are the more you get out of it.

Ps. Insulin is THE MOST DANGEROUS hormone to be used by bodybuilders. Fuck up once and bye bye...

When he talks about this he's referring to one thing...getting fat.

Anyone who takes/uses insulin is going to gain size off of it...but if you gain fat easy then insulin will inevitably make you fatter then need be. It is truly the hardgainers drug...and I say that as someone who hates the term "hardgainer" because it's a term thrown around way to loosely...most people who claim that description are in fact lying to themselves.

[Vet]

When he talks about this he's referring to one thing...getting fat.

Anyone who takes/uses insulin is going to gain size off of it...but if you gain fat easy then insulin will inevitably make you fatter then need be. It is truly the hardgainers drug...and I say that as someone who hates the term "hardgainer" because it's a term thrown around way to loosely...most people who claim that description are in fact lying to themselves.

I'll agree with that.  Most of the "hardgainers" i know are not eating enough and they aren't lifting enough heavy weights.  The'll eat a can of tuna and slice of whole wheat bread for lunch, do an hour of cardio and then waste an hour of their evening with leg extensions, 1 legged hack squats, and isoleg presses when they need to be downing 3 times that amount of food, not doing as much cardio, and getting under a barbell to squat. 

[candidizzle]

Look stupid, read what I highlighted:

You can't make it any simpler than that, especially considering the fucked up rambling question you posted in the first place. 

that doesnt address my question at all, genius

[Vet]

that doesnt address my question at all, genius

You are seriously a first class fucking moron....

im wondering what the difference between those two guys would be?   maybe its their insulin sensitivity? and if so..   if it was how sensitive you are toinsulin...well then i wonder whether it would be more beneficial to a guy who is already super sensitive to insulin, or to a guy who is ver insulin resistant?? 

it might seem obvious..   that the "insulin sensitive" guy would get the better gains....but i am thinking that maybe it would be the other way around..??   what do you guys think

Different people have differing degrees of insulin senstivity. Thats why insulin doses must be tailored for each individual diabetic.  Its based on how the individuals bodies respond to the insulin.  Not only that, but that sensitivity can change with exercise, if you are sick or not, stress, and a number of other factors. 

that doesnt address my question at all, genius

Yup, box of wet rocks dumb.  Go shoot up kid.  With any luck, you'll overdose good.   

[candidizzle]

no, that doesnt address my question at all.

did i ask whether or nto people have varying degrees of sensitivty to insulin? no. in fact, i said this exact thing in my post. actually, my whole post was based around this.  so you saying that 
"Different people have differing degrees of insulin senstivity" is redundant and not needed.


im the stupid one?

 

[Vet]

im the stupid one?

 

Yes. 

[candidizzle]

Yes. 

[Vet]

Keep em rolling kid.  What was it you wanted me to say?  Some individuals are more sensitive to insulin than others.  This means they will have a greater effect from a smaller dose of insulin.   

[Rimbaud]

candi, What is your problem? Vet is one of the most knowledgable guys here. Why do you feel the need to come to this board & act like you know everything but ask for advice & when people tell you what you don't want to hear you start shit with them & to top it off you start shit with the regulars/nice guys here? You also get shitty with everyone who's opinion differs. What's up with all that?

[candidizzle]

candi, What is your problem? Vet is one of the most knowledgable guys here. Why do you feel the need to come to this board & act like you know everything but ask for advice & when people tell you what you don't want to hear you start shit with them & to top it off you start shit with the regulars/nice guys here? You also get shitty with everyone who's opinion differs. What's up with all that?

ummm...if im not mistaken it was vet who tried to "own" me..   i didnt stat anything with him..he came into my thread with an attitude, not the other way around

[Rimbaud]

No, someone else said that. I hope you're intelligent enough to know what I'm saying...basically drop the attitude & chill out. 

[benz]

candi
I heard if you point a gun at your head and pull the trigger it will help you with your metabolism, try it out.

[candidizzle]

No, someone else said that. I hope you're intelligent enough to know what I'm saying...basically drop the attitude & chill out. 

 iasked a question about varying degrees of insulin sensitivity and how they would effect a personals reactions to insulin usage as an anabolic agent. vet responded by saying "people have varying degreess of insulin sensitivity" and then gave some basic info on insulin resistance/sensitivity that everybody and there mom knows.   i said...soryy, thats not what i was asking..     and the dude copped an attitude, and allowed the notion of him "owning me" to stand...      why would i let this go?     so i say "he obviously doesnt know shit about bodybuilding if he knew what i was asking and that was his reply".. and then he continues with arguing and HE continues to escalate the argument, not i

if anyone one is in the wrong, tis not i..   maybe i should have let his attitude go, and not pay attention to the fact that he let the post claiming his "ownage" to stand... but was not me who started this
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[Rimbaud]

Do you understand I'm not just talking about this thread? It was a general statement about numerous posts.

[candidizzle]

yes but that is the basic pattern of most of my confrontations.

i dont come to this site to fight or argue

mother fuckers think they can cop an attitude with me simply cuz i let squad get away with libel and misrepresentation and let all these schmoes think i look like what dave wants them to think i look like...     and the fact that they themselves have never posted a picture, they can act like they look better than i DID in the pics that squad always posted...however,, i have a sneaking suspicion that most of these haters dont even look as "not as shitty" as i do in those horrible pics of me...    not to mention what i actually look like

i know what your saying though rimbaud and i have been trying to pay less attention to hating mother fuckers like benz and to stay positive with those that are positive with me

[benz]

Do you understand I'm not just talking about this thread? It was a general statement about numerous posts.

Why do you even waste your time with candidildo? He's probably trying to grow his penis