Met Serge in the late seventies when he came to Toronto to train courtesy of Ken Wheeler ( Makkawys manager).....Old Bruce Page from the original "Ironman" magazine measured his arm right in front of me pumped at 21 1/4". This with a waist that when he put his lifting belt on he looked like a wasp...... his abs were so deep they moved when he breathed like bricks....Comparing him with a pic of Coleman shows peoples true lack of knowledge, history, and appreciation for bodybuilding. For a bodybuilding forum, its amazing how many non-fans of the sport we have. Angry little boys.....for what its worth